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  1. chillinwill
    Police are shining 'magic torches' into clubbers' faces to check for tiny traces of cocaine – and now employers and parents are being encouraged to follow suit.

    Forces across the country are buying the £40 torches which can make any microscopic particles of cocaine or amphetamine that are invisible to the naked eye appear bright green.
    Officers say the UV lights work as well as ones costing ten times as much and make it easy to spot the tin*iest traces of cocaine on nasal hair.

    But drug campaigners have suggested the UV lights could be unlawful.

    Claudia Rubin, head of policy at drugs charity Release, said: 'Searching someone's nostrils could amount to a cavity search and is a serious breach of individual privacy.

    Police in Blackburn are the latest to use the torches allowing them to block revellers from parties and nightclubs. Sgt Alan Clayton said: 'This simple piece of equipment will have a big impact on drug use in pubs and clubs.

    'Traces of cocaine are also left on the cheeks and chin that are not visible to the naked eye and these show up bright green, too. It really is amazing.'

    The torches are produced by Wrexham-based JNE Marketing, intending them to be used to show markings on stolen property.

    It only realised they could be used to spot drugs when police officers starting asking about them. They will detect cocaine that is at least 87 per cent pure and 78 per cent pure amphetamine of, including some, but not all, Ecstasy pills.

    Sales and marketing manager Nick Hughes said: 'I'm sure there's a lot of groups who would want to know if their employees or family members were taking illegal substances.'

    But Ms Rubin added 'If random drug testing is not written into the employee's contract, the employer has no right to request a drug test.'

    Tuesday, March 31, 2009
    Metro.co.uk News
    http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?A_%A340_torch_that_traps_clubbers_using_drugs&in_article_id=604756&in_page_id=34

Comments

  1. cannabis-sam
    Another human rights violation thanks to our old friend prohibition.

    Cavity searches are rape!
  2. frauleinannika
    Wait, how the hell does that make any sense? They are allowing patrons to consume poisonous liquid in their establishment. Alcohol kills millions every year and is responsible for many accidents and assaults. Alcohol leads to more problems that affect those that aren't involved in the consumption than cocaine does. They are only hurting their business. How often to coked up people cause problems in night clubs?

    HYPOCRISY!!!! I could see them doing this at a church or school, but a night club? wtf?
  3. cannabis-sam
    Funny thing is, those clubs with the lights and the electronic music are pretty designed for people on ecstasy, but no one seems to notice that.
  4. Abrad
    If anyone tried to shine one of these in my face I'd tell them to piss off and take my business elsewhere, regardless whether I'd anything to hide.

    I imagine many others would do the same. Foolish for clubs to be driving away business in the current climate.
  5. aerozeppelin123
    Good luck with that one lol
  6. cannabis-sam
    That's what I was thinking, I doubt any UK drugs will be that pure.
  7. bubbly nubs
    Um, quite often actually! The UK must be different to the US then...
  8. cannabis-sam
    Well in SWIM's experience or at least in SWIM's area drugs are notoriously impure apart from probably MDMA crystals. Coke is the worst, he does not know the percentage, but it's very impure. SWIM has no experience of amphetamine.

    Maybe SWIM is wrong if so he stands corrected.
  9. sandoz1943
    Some of the clubs here in the US started using metal detectors at the door. They would use to look for signs someone was rolling. Such as eys fluttering or rolling up in your head from the flashing lights and deny entrance to anyone who appeared to be under the influence. Clubbers were also subjected to pat down and had to empty pockets and open bags. Mind you this club opened at midnight played techno and sold only water and glo sticks. Cover was $20 and once you left you were stuck out for the rest of the night unless you wanted to pay another $20. You were only allowed to sit on he couches for 10-15 minutes at a time and then the bouncer would come and make everyone get up. You had to be sitting on the couch no laying on them allowed. There were attendants in the bathroom no attending anything but there to watch everything you did. The bouncers stalked SWIM all night. SWIM asked for the manager and lectured him about his hypocrisy and told him he was an evil greedy bastard. SWIM then called a cab and evacuated her crew to a more friendy enviroment. If your club is not raver friendly. Sell booze and play some country music. That will keep those dirty bastards out for sure.
  10. Rightnow289
    Drugs glow green under torch beam

    [IMGR=white]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45627000/jpg/_45627598_drugstorch.jpg[/IMGR]An ultraviolet torch which shows certain drugs as glowing green is being used to catch cocaine-using clubbers.

    Developed by JNE Marketing in Wrexham, the torch shines up traces of cocaine and amphetamine as bright green.
    The 'cocaine torch', used by police, highlights traces of the substances on the nostrils and cheeks of users.
    Sales and marketing manager Nick Hughes, 36, said: "Drug detection never crossed my mind until I stumbled upon other uses of UV light online."
    The firm claims the torch is being used by police forces across the UK.
    JNE Marketing, which has been supplying crime prevention products since 1990, was originally marketing a torch that could identify counterfeit currencies and identity cards.





    "We're always looking for new products to tackle crimes, so it's only when conducting some general research that it struck me the torch could have a forensic use," said Mr Hughes, whose background is in business studies and marketing.

    He approached a former client, a drugs liaison officer in Kent, to conduct some tests, and discovered the torch could also identify certain drugs, including cocaine, some ecstasy tablets and amphetamines.
    The torch was piloted last weekend by police in Blackburn, Lancashire, where four men were stopped from entering a nightclub in the town centre.
    Pc Andy Duxbury, from Blackburn police station, said: "We shone the torch onto people as they entered pubs and clubs.
    "It showed up, as bright green, traces of cocaine left in people's nostrils or cheeks that'd normally be invisible to the naked eye."
    He added: "It sends the right message and helps us to tackle illegal drug-use and its associated problems of violent crime."
    He has just ordered a new batch of torches for the station and local pubs.
    Mr Hughes said 20 police forces across the country have ordered, or expressed an interest in, the torches, and pub and nightclub owners have also ordered batches online.
    But he never expected the torch would be used to spot-check clubbers.
    "I'd only thought of the torch being used to expose surfaces where drugs had been, I didn't think of the benefits of it showing up drug-use on individuals," he said.
    JNE Marketing has sold over 100 torches so far, and received interest from suppliers in the UK as well as from Africa, Canada and Buenos Aires.





    Source -http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/7978462.stm
  11. cannabis-sam
    Re: Drugs glow green under torch beam

    this story has already been posted
  12. Flex
    I just had a friend who is studying law check this up. Apparantly this would make no difference whatsoever.

    The police cannot punish you for being under the influence of any drugs unless you're causing disturbance. They could find you with inhuman amounts of any given drug in your system and they'd be unable to do anything apart fromt ake you for a night in the cells to cool off.

    Fromw aht ive been told, they can only do anything if you are found in posession of the drug, not if it's actually in your system.

    Can anyone confirm?

    Flex added 503 Minutes and 27 Seconds later...

    Sorry for the double post, but a discussion I just had with the aforementioned friend bought up an interesting point.

    The way they could do this, is to argue that the minute "traces of cocaine" were on your person, therefore they could charge you with possession.

    The knock on from this could be tremendous. If they can argue possession from trace amounts on the face after use, they would be able to argue it from a small amount of residue in a pipe.

    It will become a battle over how much counts as "possession"? Does it have to be a measurable, visible amount? Could it be traces left on the face? Could it be drugs in your system? Think about how many bank notes in circulation would have traces of coke on them...

    Ultimately, if this is ever used to charge the common user rather than to kick them out of clubs, this could be a crucial turning point for the UK. It may open up legal loopholes, or it may clamp down even further. Only time will tell.
  13. Zoidberg
    Who will actually be shining the torches? If it's the bouncers themselves I can imagine a few of them having glowing nostrels too.
  14. Insomniacsdream
    I think that the point is more that they use the fact you have a bit of powder around your nose to perform a full search because i doubt they would be able to swab a little bit of powder off their nose and analyse it. The irony is that they perform a cavity search with no consent of grounds in order to get grounds for a stop search.
  15. Each Hit
    swim was wondering, what if a user rinsed his face off and/or gently put a few drops of water up the nostrils to dilute the residue? both mdma and snortable cocaine are water soluble compounds, so a quick rinse should dissolve a lot of what's there. then, just dry one's face with a clean towel, and most residue should be gone, right? sweating should do the same trick, though it might be construed as a sign of being under the influence.

    would this work, or just smear the stuff all over one's face? swim's not trying to beat the system, just trying to expose its many flaws (including the fact that there are scores of legal fluorescent materials out there)
  16. crystalmeth
    Thank god Metal detectors and cheking for rolling happens only in posh nigh clubs in UK.
    But everything else u discribed happens in many clubs. And to my surpirize it now happening even in swims favourite club in London which goes as the most "druggie" nightclub.....Swim bets 90% of people there r on something...So whats the piont.....?? For them? For the club to have all this measures???? Last time swim was there she cuddled up on the couch....enjoying weird E pill and after a while this bouncer guy came and shouted WAKE UP! EVERY BODY WAKE UP!........god. he scared poor swim! hate it.
    Also at 8am then club is closing bouncers r not friendly at all than asking people to leave... people r treated like a herd of cows.

    crystalmeth added 2 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

    well.....us long as swim goes to night clubs she havent seen lots of trouble makin people. swim lives in london.

    crystalmeth added 6 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...

    YEH.....as said here before. GOOD LUCK with that. Especially in London these days!!

    GO 87% cocaine!! its everywhere here.......lol)
  17. Jasim
    The important distinction in many places is whether or not you are driving. Driving being defined as being in the driver's seat of a car with the keys in the ignition or within arm's reach, the car doesn't have to be on.

    Most states in the US have 'per se' laws that state that if any amount of drug or even drug metabolite (doesn't even have to be active) is detectable in your body, then you can be charged with DUI/OWI.
  18. yaba
    Clubs and drugs go hand in hand ! This is just a annoyance rather then a deterrent and if they going to enforce it... Then lots of people have more money to spend on coke at a house party then to go to an expensive club.

    Stupid things they come up with at times.... Swim been to clubs in The Netherlands and London were everyone and he means everyone is of there face, and some clubs the dealers are in before the normal public..
  19. its just a ride


    gotta agree on this one mabey its just where swim goes but the people on coke are always causing shit but swim agrees that its a fucking human rights violation and total bullshit one more way the government is trying to just force its laws and policys upon people its horrible the governments can make laws and shit telling people how they "should" live. but who can tell another person how they should be living its like unless the government can say "this is the answer to our exsistance the reason we are on this planet no doubt about it 100% FACT, then they have no say in how someone should be living, its like if an uneducated person was given a position as a teacher at harvard they dont know anything themself much less are smart enough to teach another ignorance teaching ignorance. but i may have gotten off topic here oh well lol but yeah total BS
  20. chillinwill
    'Cocaine torches' to be used in Paisley night clubs

    "Cocaine torches" are to be issued to pub and club stewards in Renfrewshire in an attempt to tackle drug abuse.

    The torches work by illuminating the hairs on the inside of the nose and around the nose area. If cocaine has been taken it shows up bright green.

    Premises in Paisley town centre which are backing the scheme include Moloko, Club 69, Fury Murys, Viennas and SOHO.
    [IMGL="blue"]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12170&stc=1&d=1261608888[/IMGL]
    Cocaine swab kits have previously been used at venues in the town to detect if revellers have been using drugs.

    Strathclyde Police will be issuing the torches to club and pub stewards and some of its officers as part of Renfrewshire's festive safety campaign, which is run with the local council and businesses.

    Police search

    Sgt Greg Dinnie, who is a violence reduction co-ordinator with the force, said: "Over the past couple of years the police have introduced a new tactic of using specially-designed swabs to detect the presence of cocaine within licensed premises.

    "This has frequently identified suspected illegal drug abuse within toilet and wash room areas.

    "The introduction of a number of cocaine torches will provide licensed stewards, operating at the busier entertainment establishments, and police officers, with the ability to identify persons entering these premises who have been recently abusing controlled drugs."

    Sgt Dinnie said the torches were "intended as a non-intrusive preventative tool".

    If anyone tests positive, officers will have the power to search them. Stewards will also be able to refuse entry.

    December 23, 2009
    BBC News
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8428135.stm
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