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Alcohol Is Deadlier than Ecstacy.

By cannabis-sam, Jan 31, 2009 | Updated: Jan 31, 2009 | | |
  1. cannabis-sam
    [h1]Alcohol is deadlier than ecstasy, says Government's drugs adviser[/h1]

    Alcohol is more harmful and causes more deaths than the drug ecstasy, a leading scientist who advises the Government on drug safety is warning.

    Professor David Nutt, a senior member of the drugs panel which recommended the downgrading of cannabis, is calling for the current system of drugs classification to be widened, to reflect the dangers posed by excessive drinking.


    The addiction expert says only 10 premature deaths a year in the UK can be blamed on ecstasy, compared with at least 22,000 attributable to drinking. He highlights the fact that alcohol is exempt from an official system of harm rating despite being the cause of 10,000 assaults a year, unlike ecstasy, which is not linked with violence.


    Professor Nutt says in the latest edition of the journal Psychopharmacology that the Tory leader, David Cameron, is "correct in his logic" in suggesting that E, currently a class A drug, should be in a lower category than drugs such as heroin and cocaine.


    The scientist, who chairs the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) technical committee, writes: "Why is ecstasy illegal when alcohol, a considerably more harmful drug, is not? When we consider that the possession of a drug that is much less dangerous than alcohol can lead to a seven-year prison sentence, whereas alcohol use is actively promoted, perhaps David Cameron did not go far enough."

    But Professor Nutt's comments have enraged drugs prevention charities, who say he is wrong to compare the harm caused by drugs such as ecstasy with the effect on health from excessive drinking.

    "Ecstasy kills at random and there is a lot of cumulative harm," said David Raynes from the National Drugs Prevention Alliance. "Although there is a lot of harm from alcohol, very few people just die from drinking alcohol, but they do die from taking E. If the Government does downgrade E, then it sends a signal that it's less harmful than it was before."



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    By Sophie Goodchild, Chief Reporter
    Sunday, 7 May 2006


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...sy-says-governments-drugs-adviser-477171.html


    cannabis-sam added 61 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

    There was also a program on horizon (BBC) that went alongside this and they basically rated the harm of twenty drugs by pure scientific evidince without any stigma or media scaremongering search it on google video.

    I can post a link if any one is intrested

Comments

  1. Mammon
    SWIM has heard this before and seen the Horizon program, but still feels that he'd rather live in a world where you to the pub and not some kind of "E bar", or something. Instead of having a pint at lunch time having a bloody E!

    Anyway, before anyone starts, SWIM knows this is just an expression of his own tastes and the point is about which drug causes the more harm.

    Can we set-up a poll to see which world DF members would rather have (assuming the two are exclusive) alcohol legal and E illegal or vice versa?
  2. chillinwill
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  3. cannabis-sam
    What have I done wrong this time I did post the information about the article below the article please clarify.

    cannabis-sam added 2 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

    Also I think pubs would be seperate personally I can imagine Es being sold behind the counter at nightclubs. Please tell me who would drop on their lunch break?
  4. nate81
    Man, the "drugs are bad, m'kay" policies are bass ackwards. I wonder sometimes if there even is a solution. A very large number of people actually know that the drug wars are failures and the policies don't reflect reality. People are aware for instance that alcohol is extremely dangerous and marijuana is not. Yet no one in power will make the move because a handful of ultra conservatives who fund them would cry like babies or something. Here in the USA, marijuana is still a schedule 1 (high abuse potential, no medical use) even though gobs and gobs of imperical data shows it has lots of medical uses and the potential for abuse is lower than alcohol or tobacco. We all know it makes no damned sense whatsoever but what the hell can be done when everyone just sits on their hands? Even the smokers are too afraid (rightfully so) to speak out.
  5. cannabis-sam
    Over here they've reclassified cannabis as class B which means it's as dangerous as amphetamine, less dangerous than ecstacy or LSD, more dangerous than benzos or caffiene.

    Classification is bullshit.
  6. chillinwill
    The only thing I noticed wrong about the article is that the title is so big. If you copy the whole article into notepad or some other word editing program first, it will eliminate the formatting. Then you can format the article the way that you want according to the standards for posting news article. I am not trying to be a dick or anything, just trying to help ya out.
  7. cannabis-sam
    NO problem, just little confused about what you wanted really.
  8. DXMBunny
    swim thought it looked great... but swim is also on a 22in with 1680 by 1050 resolution.. so swim can see how it could be very huge to a small monitor
  9. chillinwill
    Also, when using headers, the "Top" link shows on the right side and this can mess up the main news portal
  10. doggy_hat
    I'd much prefer a society where MDMA was legal and as popular as alcohol. In addition to the fact that alcohol is much more destructive towards health, and can cause people to behave recklessly and endanger other people before they black out, MDMA has beneficial effects. Imagine if all of those scaremongering fundamentalists that want to force their ideas down everyones throats dropped E once a month. I'd imagine that if MDMA was legalized and experienced a surge in popularity, violent crime rates would drop, while society as a whole would probably become more tolerant, peaceful, and respectful of human rights.
  11. nate81
    crazy as it sounds, I completely agree. can you imagine if people popped an E for sunday mass or just to relax with the family on the weekends? Or hell, to go to the bar/club. Sales for fuzzy stuffed animals and sweaters would increase exponentially. Pews at church would have fleece covers.

    This guy could be your priest:
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  12. Mammon
    Lol. I dunno. We'd become a bit of a bi-polar society with everyone either loved-up or on a comedown (yes, I know not everyone gets them, but lots do). Also, plenty of people can drink lots of alcohol and not fight or become violent - that comes from the drinker not the drink.

    I'm biased - too much in love with booze to even imagine a world without it. People on this forum attack it too willingly IMO.

    In my mind both should be legal.
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