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  1. Terrapinzflyer
    The state's alcohol trade association is coming out strongly against the voter initiative to legalize marijuana in California.

    California Beer and Beverage Distributors has donated $10,000 to the "No on Prop. 19" campaign, citing safety reasons as the basis of their opposition to the proposal that would allow residents older than 21 to legally use marijuana.

    "They're looking at it as a public safety issue," said campaign spokesperson Roger Salazar. "They have fleets of hundreds and hundreds of trucks they run up and down the state, and I don't think they want their drivers under the influence of marijuana any more than they want them drinking beer while they're driving."

    The alcohol industry boasts annual sales in the billions nationwide, and some believe the industry's motivation isn't public safety, but rather taking away choices.

    "Competition is good unless you get actual competition," said tourist Ed Trigg.

    Salazar calls the argument a "red herring" and says it is not true.

    "I think any sort of allusion to any other reason is just a scare tactic by the other side," he said.

    The trade association did not respond to requests for comment from CBS13.

    Sep 15, 2010 10:50 pm US/Pacific

    COMMENT: In indianna the alcohol industry has now come out supporting a ban of synthetic cannabinoids. See: US States and Beverage Retail Bodies Seek Ban of Marijuana-like Supplement


  1. Snouter Fancier
    "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." -- Adam Smith
  2. Balzafire
    Booze Industry Opposes Pot Legalization

    Alcohol industry gets nervous about competing recreational substances.

    [imgl=white]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16935&stc=1&d=1285091262[/imgl]Apparently, the alcohol industry's memory doesn't extend as far back as the 21st Amendment. You know, the one that ended prohibition.

    Lobbyists for booze-purveyors have sunk $10,000 into keeping pot as illegal as possible. Banning marijuana while keeping liquor legal is a public-safety issue, say opponents of legalization.

    It has nothing to do with perceived competition with newly-legalized recreational substances.


    A quote from a No-On-19 spokesman suggests sour grapes. "Alcohol is regulated by the ABC, whereas Prop. 19 leaves it up to an unmanageable patchwork of 536 different jurisdictional entities," Public Safety First spokesman Roger Salazar told the Contra Costa Times.

    It's not the first time that alcohol lobbyists have opposed marijuana. Back in 2008, they handed $100,000 over to a campaign that would have reduced penalties for possession. Apparently, poisoning your liver is just fine, but a few relaxing cannabinoids could spell disaster.

    Even if Prop 19 passed, it's not like pot would suddenly outpace liquor as the self-medication substance of choice. There would still be strict limits on the amount that people can possess, much less sell.

    Along with the alcohol industry, the anti-pot campaign has seen sizable donations from law enforcement organizations.

    Who'd have guessed, the people most in favor of prohibition are the ones who financially benefit from it?

    Sep 20, 2010
  3. Balzafire
    Re: Booze Industry Opposes Pot Legalization

    California Pot Initiative Opposed By Beer Industry

    [imgl=white]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16944&stc=1&d=1285104041[/imgl]The California Beer & Beverage Distributors is spending money in the state to oppose a marijuana legalization proposition on the ballot in November, according to records filed with the California Secretary of State. The beer sellers are the first competitors of marijuana to officially enter the debate; backers of the initiative are closely watching liquor and wine dealers and the pharmaceutical industry to see if they enter the debate in the remaining weeks.

    The opposition to pot among beer makers, however, is not unanimous among the CBBD's membership. Sierra Nevada and Stone Brewing Co., microbrews that began in California but have become popular national brands, both lashed out at the CBBD after news of the distributor's donation was reported on Celebstoner.com, a popular website focusing on marijuana-related news, and Alternet.com.

    "Stone is not a part of this campaign in any way. This issue has caught us off guard," said a statement from the San Diego-based microbrewery, calling itself "merely a non-voting Allied Member of the CA Beer & Beverage Distributors (CBBD).As such, Stone Brewing does not/cannot participate in the political action decisions of the CBBD."

    A statement from Sierra Nevada said that the company has "requested the CBBD to remove our name from their list of members, and also to disassociate the brewery from this and any future political actions."

    The last thing a California microbrew needs is to be associated with the effort against legalizing marijuana. "We regret any implied association with this action by the CBBD, and maintain our independence and neutrality regarding matters of politics," the Sierra statement said. "The CBBD does not represent Sierra Nevada's political interests in any way, and does not represent the brewery's stance on the issue."

    The CBBD did not return calls for comment; it donated $10,000 to Public Safety First, a committee organized to oppose the proposition, on Sept. 7, 2010, though the contribution was only recently made public. The alcohol industry has long seen illicit drugs as a threat to sales, as consumers may substitute pot for booze. A night spent on the couch smoking marijuana and watching television is a night not spent at the bar.

    Public Safety First is largely funded by a different industry whose interests are threatened by the legalization of marijuana: law enforcement. Police forces are entitled to keep property seized as part of drug raids and the revenue stream that comes from waging the drug war has become a significant source of support for local law enforcement. Federal and state funding of the drug war is also a significant supplement to local forces' budgets.

    The California Narcotics Officers' Association has donated $20,500; the California Police Chiefs Association has contributed $30,000. The Placer County Deputy Sheriff's Association, the California Peace Officers Association, the California District Attorney Association and the Peace Officers Association of Los Angeles County have all contributed, as well. Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca has been an outspoken opponent. Earlier this months, current and former heads of the Drug Enforcement Administration held a press conference in Washington to oppose the proposition and urge the White House to sue to stop it if it passes.

    The pro-legalization forces, however, have caught at least one break: The prison guards are staying neutral. One of the most potent political forces in California is the California Correctional Peace Officers Association. The prison guards spent more than a million dollars in 2008 to defeat a proposition that would have sent some nonviolent drug offenders into treatment rather than to prison -- a law that would have cut down on overcrowding and overtime.

    So far, the prison guards' bosses have gotten involved -- the California Correctional Supervisors Organization has given $7,500 -- but the guards themselves are on the sidelines.

    Advocates for Proposition 19, meanwhile, are running the campaign on a shoestring budget. Wealthy individuals who generally bankroll the legalization movement such as Peter Lewis, the head of Progressive auto insurance, are sitting out.

    Organized labor, however, is stepping into the breach. The Service Employees International Union, a major presence in California, has endorsed the proposition. The Teamsters in September made its first successful foray into organizing pot growers. The United Food and Commercial Workers is backing the initiative and organizing cannabis club employees in the Bay Area. The teachers union, citing the revenue that could be raised for the state, is also backing the initiative.

    On Saturday, Roger Salazar, a spokesman for Public Safety First, was confronted on CNN over his group's alliance with the beer distributors. He blamed it on the forklift operators. "Let's keep in mind the beer and beverage distributors are the folks who deliver beer and beverage products. The truck driver, the forklift drivers, you know, the warehouse workers. You know, these are folks who have traffic safety and employee safety issues, first and foremost," Salazar said, though the beer distributors are the only distributor of any product to oppose the proposition.

    Mason Tvert, head of the organization SAFER, which makes the case that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol, told Salazar that driving or operating a fork lift while high would still be illegal if the proposition becomes law -- just as alcohol is legal but it's against the law to drive while drunk.

    "With all due respect to this gentleman, he is a political consultant being paid by the booze industry to protect their turf," said Tvert. "We also need to consider the fact that this gentleman mentions all the jobs that are created by the alcohol industry. These are all jobs that can be created by the marijuana industry as well. And at the same time, we're giving Californians the ability to use a substance like marijuana that doesn't contribute to domestic violence and sexual assault and overdose... and all the other problems that alcohol contributes to."

    Stephen Gutwillig, the state director for the Drug Policy Alliance in California, noted the irony of cops working together with the beer lobby. "Who knows better than law enforcement the violence, death and disease booze inflicts on our society? The Feds clock it at $200 billion a year, including alcohol's direct involvement in up to 30 percent of violent crime every year. Marijuana consumption has none of those associations. The cop-run No on 19 campaign getting in bed with the alcohol lobby would be amusing if the implications weren't so nauseating," he said.

    UPDATE: Rhonda Stevenson, a spokesman for the CBBD, said that the lobby does not oppose legalizing marijuana in principle, but objects to the specific proposition. She added that Sierra Nevada and Stone do not contribute to their Political Action Committee, so none of their money has been invested in opposition to the initiative.

    "First and foremost, we are not opposed to the legalization of marijuana. We have no position on that...That's for the voters to decide. Second of all, we do not think of [marijuana] as a competitive product in the marketplace," she said. "That's not the issue. Our issue is it's a poorly written initiative. When prohibition was repealed, there was already a regulatory system in place to deal with the distribution or sale of alcohol. Under this initiative, there is not going to be anything in place state run. It's going to be 500-some different counties and cities" involved in regulating the sale and distribution of marijuana.

    Indeed, when California legalized medical marijuana, regulation moved in fits and starts in different parts of the state. Oakland, where medical pot was more pervasive, moved to regulate dispensaries long before Los Angeles did, for instance. Different communities had different responses to legalization. If marijuana is legalized for recreational uses, as well, it's reasonable to assume that there will be accompanying regulatory failures and successes in various parts of the state. Localities, however, will be able to rely to some degree on the experience over the past 14 years with medical marijuana.

    Ryan Grim
    HuffPost Reporting
  4. Balzafire
    Re: Booze Industry Opposes Pot Legalization

    Yes. My favorite brewer is on the right side of this issue!
  5. EscapeDummy
    Re: Booze Industry Opposes Pot Legalization

    Well, Sierra Nevada has a 6pack about to be bought... erm, when swim turns 21 that is:laugh:
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