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ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice (ADB-PINACA confirmed)

By Basoodler, Sep 8, 2013 | Updated: Sep 13, 2013 | | |
  1. Basoodler
    Drug investigators and Georgia health officials said a new and dangerous strain of synthetic marijuana continues to sicken users and may be in the metro Atlanta area.

    Since last week, 14 people in Brunswick have been treated for symptoms including hallucinations, psychotic episodes and breathing difficulty.

    The patients' ages range from 18 to 24.

    The Georgia Department of Public Health said two remain on life support, which may be removed by their families.

    Two other suspected cases in Bartow County are under investigation.

    "The symptoms are much more dangerous than what we have seen in the past," said Dr. Patrick O'Neill of the public-health agency. "Law enforcement is actively engaged in this and we're concerned about watching out for the whole state."

    The synthetic pot is sold under several labels, including Crazy Clown and Black Mamba.

    Doctors in Denver report more than 30 people there have been treated for medical emergencies after smoking the drug. In many instances, the patients are combative and delusional.

    The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is testing samples of the new drug to determine compounds and chemical ingredients. An official told Channel 2 News this week the substances may not be among the synthetic compounds banned in Georgia.

    So far there have been no arrests.

    "Purchasing, smoking and ingesting this incense is just absolutely one of the riskiest things you can do." said O'Neill.


    This outbreak is being investigated as possibly connected to similar cases in Colorado

    Colorado spice deaths and hospitalizations


  1. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    Police: 14-year-old girl among those sickened by synthetic drug. 9-3-13

    BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- Crazy Clown. Zombie Killa. It's sold under dozens of different names. Kids call it Spice. Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering calls it poison.

    "It is not synthetic marijuana. It is not. It's a synthetic drug," said Doering.

    It's a synthetic drug that has made about a dozen young people in his jurisdiction sick. Action News told you about eight teenagers and young adults who had to be hospitalized after smoking Spice last week.

    We've learned four more cases have been reported since Sunday. Doering says one user was a 14-year-old girl.

    He said, "Why would you smoke it if you don't know what it is?"

    The chief said a lot of Spice has been sold at Mary Jane's Emporium in Brunswick. He said charges are pending against the owner after its so-called "incense" tested positive as a schedule one narcotic.

    We found out Wednesday, the place is still open. The clerk refused to talk to us.

    Doering said Spice is hard to control because you can't tell it's illegal by simply looking at the package. Change the name, alter a chemical, and it's legal again.

    He said, "It's not like we're not trying to be proactive, because we are."

    He said the prices of Spice range between $15 and $100.

    He said the best way to combat the problem is by telling parents what to look for. And by telling users the high off Spice is nothing like the high someone gets off marijuana. It's much more dangerous

  2. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    ALANTA — 12 people are now reported sick after
    smoking herbal incense in south Georgia. Glynn County police have pulled the product off the shelves. But they fear there may be more of the substance out there.

    Officials say eight people in Brunswick got violently ill Friday after smoking herbal incense labeled Crazy Clown. Dr. Pat O’Neill with the Georgia Health Department says some people became physically stiff. “There was one young lady who apparently had started to lean against a car. But she became fixed about 8 inches before she reached the car and was essentially frozen in that posture when the responders arrived.”

    Other symptoms by those affected included agitation, rapid heartbeat and nausea. Some also exhibited violent behavior.

    Three more people became ill over the weekend. And there was another case Tuesday morning. In all, 11 people had to be hospitalized. Doctors even put one person on life support. One refused treatment.

    Dr. O'Neill says he is worried about copy cat activity. He says some people who smoke herbal incense are under the impression that it is synthetic marijuana. But the ingredients are different and officials say this is definitely not any type of marijuana. The active ingredients are different, and some users have violent reactions.

    Officers seized the incense—marketed under several different labels. They include Original Sham Rocks, xXx,Black Lion, and 20X. But Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering is worried they may not have gotten it all out of the county.

    He says “It would not surprise me that who ever is making this stuff will package it in different names. And it ends up being the same thing. But only time will tell.”

    Chief Doering says officials have not been able to find any similar cases elsewhere in the country.

    Dr. O’Neill says herbal incense is not regulated. He says it is too much of a risk to smoke it. “Stay away from these drugs all together. They can be fatal.” he says.

    So far authorities say all the incense was sold out of Mary Jane’s Emporium in Brunswick. Then owner was charged in a different case back in May for selling a Schedule 1 controlled substance. No one was hurt in that case.

    Chief Doering says the man is cooperating with them in this investigation. “He’s answering questions about where he got it. He told us that on Friday was the first day he started selling this. If that’s true, that would explain why 8 people all of a sudden one day got sick.”

    The GBI is now testing the product at it’s lab in Savannah. But officials say it may be weeks or even months before they find out what is making people sick. If authorities do not find any illegal substance in the incense, police say the owner of the store will not face any charges.

  3. MikePatton
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    I suppose legal highs are taking their natural steps of prohibition induced evolution and constantly changing, some products may be more dangerous. Also the increase in potency and decrease in price is obviously causing more overdoses.

    there have been an increase in Spice hospitalizations around here as well, and one report even claims there was Triclosan found in Spice batch that caused the hospitalization of four.
  4. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    It probably is something like that or multiple contaminants. Also a japanese lab found an oddball new molecule that was created. By a reaction when the chemicals were sprayed on the plant matter.. I guess there is an oddball chance of that

    Judging by the range of side effects from cases in both states it has to be something extremely nasty.. what causes loss of critical reflexes, delirium, aggression, pscycosis, coma, agitation and unresponsiveness upon overdose? Sarin gas o BZ/ 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate maybe
  5. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    We all know that there are some scary clowns out there. Stephen King's "Pennywise the Dancing Clown" from the novel "IT" comes to mind, but while this child-killing clown is evil, there is another clown in the competition... and this one is known as "Crazy Clown". What is it? Crazy Clown is a new, synthetic, incense-type drug with some serious and potentially fatal side effects. In fact, it's being blamed for making many people sick and sending them to the hospital with violent reactions.

    Crazy Clown is a dangerous drug that is smoked or burned in a small bowl and inhaled. It is believed the active chemical in Crazy Clown is E4279, which is still legal in many states. The chemicals in this drug have a compounding effect of both a stimulant and an opiate which can produce potentially deadly side effects. The symptoms include: nausea, vomiting, dry mouth, weakness, cardiac problems, psychotic episodes, and even paralysis in some cases.

    Where is it sold? Unfortunately, you may be able to find Crazy Clown in convenience stores and smoke shops in your hometown. These shops could be endangering the lives of teens and young people by selling this drug. Here's the scariest thing - its active ingredient is still unknown. Like many other synthetic drugs out there, the short and long-term effects are still a mystery, but what we are seeing is not good. Yet despite the warnings, teens and young adults continue experimenting with these easy-to-get synthetic drugs.

    In previous blogs I have written about the use and accessibility of other synthetic incenses, such as zombie weed and bath salts. Prior to them being banned in my own state, I showed readers how easy it was to get their hands on synthetic drugs. I simply walked right into the store and asked the clerk to pass the bath salts to me off the shelf. The fact that some of these drugs are legally sold as incense, along with the ease of accessibility, may make synthetic drugs a drug of choice for many teens. That's why it is important for parents, and anyone working with youth, to become aware of what's out there and to try to stay ahead of the problem.

    Other popular incenses/synthetic drugs include: Anonymous Spice, White Rush, Cloud Nine, K2, Herbal Madness Incense, Ocean Snow, Ivory Wave, Vanilla Snow, Hurricane Charlie, and now Crazy Clown. These manufactured substances are designed to give the user the same “high” as illegal drugs, but in a quasi-legal form that supposedly flies under the radar of routine drug screening.

    States have been banning the substances from being sold, but others come in right behind them, with the formula tweaked just enough to be a new substance. Authorities cannot keep up with the manufacturers,although they're doing their best to alert potential users of the side effects of these drugs.

    Some of the side effects of smoking synthetic drugs include:

    accelerated heart rate feeling of euphoria increased blood pressure bloodshot eyes numbness and tingling anxiety/paranoia panic attacks vomiting severe hallucinations tremors/seizures agitation (which can be severe and require sedation)

    Here are some signs that your teen may be using drugs:

    If your teen is using Visine to clear those red or bloodshot eyes, watch out. If your teen's pupils are dilated, start asking questions. If your teen appears glassy eyed or is walking around in a staggering daze, then something is up. If you find bongs, pipes, and/or smoking papers, then I'd say that's a dead giveaway. If your teen is coughing up a lung like a smoker, only he doesn't smoke, then that's a tell tale sign you need to investigate. If your house smells like potpourri all the time because your teen is burning something, make sure she's not puffing it too. (Synthetic cannabis can have a berry or minty scent.)

    With new drugs constantly popping up, it's important that parents stay in the know... Many of these drugs can have life-altering and tragic effects on the users. There are many dangerous drugs out there for teens to get their hands on. Regardless of whether the substance is legal or illegal, accessibility isn't hard to come by. All you need to do is know someone who knows someone and you'll get a fix. Parents, speak openly with your teen about the dangers of drug use. As for Crazy Clown, the CDC is currently investigating the effect of this drug on other users across the country. Hopefully, in the near future, it will be banned across America.

    If you suspect your teen is using recreational drugs, please get help immediately.

  6. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    South Georgia drug agents are extending a warning about synthetic incense with dangerous side effects. Crazy Clown has not been showing up much in our area, but it nearly proved deadly in southeast Georgia where several young people who smoked it ended up hospitalized.

    The packet of incense is prompting warnings. Crazy Clown is the name and its side effects are said to be downright dangerous.

    "It's Russian roulette. We don't know what's going to happen with it, they don't either," said Albany Dougherty Drug Commander Maj. Bill Berry.

    He says the synthetic spice clearly indicates it's not for human consumption. Eight young people learned that the hard way last Thursday in Brunswick. Three people who smoked the incense ended up hospitalized in serious condition.

    "Three girls foaming at the mouth. One rolling around on the ground and my nephew couldn't walk..." Jason Pedigard describing the side effects he witnessed outside the home of his nephew who himself came close to dying at the hospital after using Crazy Clown.

    Berry says agents are checking to see if it's on the shelves in the area, but even if they come across it, their hands are tied... "At this particular time, it's not against the law in Georgia."

    That's because the active chemical in Crazy Clown, E4279, is not one of the components outlawed by the state. "Right now all we're asking people to do who might have it is to pull it from their shelves or to monitor them because that's the danger, there is not a lot we can do about it," Berry says.

    The chemicals have a compounding effect of both a stimulant and an opiate which can produce potentially deadly side effects. "Leave it alone, it's playing with dynamite," he said.

    Legal or not he hopes this message will persuade anyone who may have their hands on Crazy Clown, to do the sane thing and throw it away.

    Berry says because drug agents and law enforcement around the state are aware of the side effects of Crazy Clown, lawmakers could push for an emergency ban on the product. Otherwise all they can is ask people not to use it or sell it

  7. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    What do you know.. they named an odd drug the say is similar to an opiate and stimulant

    Has anybody heard of e4279?

    Aside from an atibody produced by a goat

    yes e4279 is Anti-Mouse EphA6 on sigma.. after reading about it, it sounds almost as if it could
    Be pscycoactive although this gene, polypeptide, enzyme and antibody crap is over my head.. the research covers memory and cognition though

  8. MikePatton
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    What in the flying fuck is E4279? Google came up with nothing... Aside from this very same crazy clown article that appeared first on august 26. So this is something completely new, sounds interesting... An opiate and a stimulant, sounds kinda like Kratom.
  9. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    From what I gather the epha6 receptor which is what that drug acts on the nervous system. If you go to sigma health and search for e4279 you can get a ton of synonyms.. I've not been abke to search them all as of yet..

    The research on this receptor is way over my head.. its not as simple as other drugs. I am not even sure if its actually a drug to be honest with you.

    If this is the active they have taken it to an all time high in irresponsible marketing. Hell its a substance that I think was extracted from a goat to administer to a mouse (I think) that is used to map a receptor that has yet to be understood. Which has some duel cell-cell shit going on.
    that also implicated to have unkown action on CNS and cognition / memory

    I hope its another jwh018 knockoff with a made up name

    Edit: it is now widely reported as the sudpected active.. I also found it for sale on one of those chinese sites.. but it had no info or structue or class or iupac :(
  10. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    It is on caymen too under antibodies.. I hope that this is not the active because it doesn't look anything that has been used before

    Its listed as an anti-epha6.. from a goat (wtf)

    EPHA6 EPH receptor A6

    Synonyms: CH211-247C17.1, DKFZP434C1418, Ehk2, EK12, EPA6, EPHA6, Hek12, LOC203806, m-ehk2, PRO5706ifsi:ch211-247c17.1, UNQ6114 Species: Human (EPHA6 285220), Mouse (Epha6 13840), Rat (Epha6 29202), Zebra Fish (epha6 100005538) SwissProtID: Q9UF33, Q62413, P54758

    Human (285220): (No information available)

    Mouse (13840): (No information available)

    Rat (29202): (No information available)

    Zebra Fish (100005538): (No information available)

  11. Phenoxide
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    Just looks like sloppy reporting to me. The antibody that happens to have that catalogue number would not be psychoactive, and even if it was it would not be economically viable to use it as a mass manufactured drug product.

    Something must've been lost in translation here. Perhaps the toxicology labs in GA assign their own numeric identifiers to compounds that they encounter?
  12. Crystal_Queen
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    Could it have been real incense? Seriously...
    The effects seem to indicate poisoning not a high.

    Ironic that if its poison., no charges..
    If it gets people high... criminal lol
  13. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    Are there poisons in insence that can have people walking invisable dogs and going into comas
    ..tbh it wouldn't be shocking if they were smoking bags of jimson seeds (datura)..there are not many drugs that have you talking to invisable people just before going into a pseudo-coma.

    I am pretty sure it was a blend.. it sounds like by the descriptions that it could have either been a contaminated cannabinoid, a bad mix of an opiate and stim (this kind of mix was recently identified in japan) or the ethyl-salvornium analog that is out there. (Or goat antbodies of coarse :p )
  14. MikePatton
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    LMAO! It does seem more and more like shitty reporting to me. They pulled that E4279 straight out of their ass.
  15. stryder09
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    I've messaged the author about the E4279. We'll see if I get a response.
  16. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    Thanks stryder, I was hoping you would turn up!

    Anyway I found this document from georgia on the 24th which seems to indicate that they suspected this was not a cannabinoid to some extent.. by this it truely sounds like a contamination

  17. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    September 9, 2013 9:52 a.

    m. Lt. Jeff Hein, commander of the Liberty County Sheriff’s Office narcotics unit, describes law enforcement’s continuous war on drugs as “a strategic game of chess, not checkers.” Synthetic marijuana, he says, is yet another piece on the drug war chess board; only this piece keeps changing.

    Hein explained makers of synthetic marijuana often reformulate the fake cannabis so the new chemicals they use will be considered legal. On March 1, 2011, the DEA categorized five chemicals used in spice as Schedule I drugs, he said. Schedule I drugs are classified as substances which are highly addictive and serve no medical purpose. Heroine and ecstasy are Schedule I drugs, he said.

    “It’s a big problem,” Liberty County Sheriff Steve Sikes said. Synthetic marijuana, also known as spice, bliss, genie, black mamba, Bombay blue, fake weed or zohai, is sold in small, silvery plastic bags of dried leaves and marketed as incense that can be smoked, according to Hein.

    These herbal incense products contain one or more synthetic cannabinoid compound and naturally occurring herbs, flowers and related extracts that have psychoactive, hallucinogenic or sedative effects, he said. Someone who uses fake cannabis may not have a bad reaction using it the first time, or even the the sheriff said. Now, synthetic marijuana has apparently gone underground here, Sikes said. Hein added if fake cannabis is seen in local stores, it is not being “overtly” displayed. In Liberty County, synthetic marijuana tends to be sold covertly by individuals who have brought the substance here from other communities, like Brunswick, or from out of state, according to Hein.

    Sikes said drugs have long been trafficked up and down I-95, and have been transported along state highways 84 and 17. In his monthly legislative update, State Sen. Buddy Carter referred to several incidents in Brunswick where a total of 12 people became seriously ill after smoking herbal incense.

    Carter’s column ran in Wednesday’s Courier. “Of these (herbal incense users), 11 were hospitalized with many ending up in ICU and at least one on life support,” Carter wrote.

    The Glynn County Police Department emailed their counterparts at the LCSO about the Brunswick incident, and listed several synthetic marijuana products that were sent to the crime lab to be tested. In addition to Crazy Clown, 20-x Premium Blend, xXx, Black Lion and Shamrock would be tested for illegal chemical compounds, according to the email. Carter, who is also a pharmacist, said he is following up on the Brunswick incident.

    “We’re waiting on lab results from the GBI to see what exactly we’re dealing with. If this is a new substance they’ve identified in the past or if it is a new one,” he said. Hein said it can take six to eight weeks for the GBI lab to release results when testing synthetic marijuana. Carter said he and his fellow lawmakers are also studying legislation proposed in Illinois and North Carolina that takes a different approach to dealing with synthetic marijuana.

    “They’re proposing putting more requirements on the labeling of these types of products,” he said. Hein said herbal incense is clearly marked “not for human consumption.” He said people often find ways to abuse all kinds of substances, natural and artificial, in search of a high.

    The narcotics unit commander said testing individuals for fake cannabis can also be a challenge, because many drug screens don’t test for spice. Parolees are typically tested for organic marijuana, cocaine, opiates and methamphetamines, Hein said. Sikes and Hein urge residents to contact the LCSO if they see any of these products being sold. The sheriff said his department is committed to educational outreach, to alert citizens to the dangers of synthetic marijuana. Hein said he is open to speaking to any group, and has made presentations to schools, churches and other organizations. For more information, call Hein

  18. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    Police Raid. 'Spice House' in connection to outbreak

    BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- Narcotics teams arrested four people after raiding several suspected spice houses in Brunswick.

    Glynn County police and the Brunswick Narcotics Enforcement Team raided locations where they believe people were making and processing a synthetic marijuana, commonly referred to as spice or herbal incense.
    The synthetic drug is believed to be behind the sickening of dozens of people in the past few weeks.

    Glynn County Police said approximately two dozen people locally have been taken to the emergency room after smoking the chemically-laced leafy material.

    Police raided Mary Jane's Emporium on Altama Avenue in Brunswick, along with three homes. Those homes belonged to the owner of the store and employees.

    The four suspects are:

    Parker Monroe LaRoche, 45, is facing five counts of possession with intent to distribute a scheduled 1 controlled substance.

    Lawrence LaRoche, 22, is facing charges of giving a false name to a law enforcement officer. The LaRoches are from Brunswick, and were arrested at Mary Jane's Emporium at the time of the raid.

    Sean Tristan LaRoche Jr., 22, was charged with five counts of possession of a schedule 1 :controlled substance with intent to distribute.

    James Edward Thompson, 19, faces three counts of the same charge.

    "Because the producers of these synthetic drugs often change the chemical makeup of the compound to bypass newly enacted criminal laws, our agency has been working closely with the state crime lab to identify exactly what has been making these people sick," said Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering.

    "While we can usually easily identify cocaine and marijuana, the challenge our drug investigators face with these synthetic drugs is that until the crime lab analyzes the substance they have no idea if the substance that has been seized is even illegal."

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  19. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    Expert breaks down Crazy Clown drug

    A synthetic drug that nearly killed a Papillion-La Vista student can be bought in Omaha, according to authorities.

    Law enforcement officers said the colorful packaging of Crazy Clown drug is targeting students, but according to a forensic scientist, it's what's inside the small, foil packet that could kill a child.

    "It's kind of a sweet smelling material, because they add some stuff to make it smell sweet. (It) smells like incense almost," said Christine Gabig, a forensic scientist in Douglas County.

    Some shops also sell the synthetic drug as incense, according to Gabig.

    "Typically, these things are just bought at local head shops and maybe even some gas stations," said Gabig.

    Gabig said Crazy Clown is falling into the hands of children around the country.

    "Some reports say 60 kids (were) hospitalized in Georgia right now, and some say 100 (were) hospitalized in Georgia," said Gabig.

    Gabig is charged with figuring out what is Crazy Clown, but she said she still doesn’t have an answer.

    "I've never seen this. This took me quite a while to research," said Gabig.

    Gabig said the herbs are coated in a substance that is similar to the molecular structure of other synthetic drugs.

    "It's a researched chemical that they made to fit into that same receptor in the brain that THC would fit loosely into. The problem is these fit tightly into that receptor causing much more of a reaction," said Gabig.

    The reaction can be fatal, experts said.

    The medical director at the Nebraska Regional Poison Center said people who have reported taking Crazy Clown have suffered hallucinations, seizures and kidney failure.

    "A guy in Bellevue, he was in such a deep coma he had to intubated, which is putting a breathing tube into his windpipe and attaching it to a machine so he can breathe," said Dr. Ron Kirschner. "We see things we don't expect (because of Crazy Clown)."

    "From the reports, (reactions include) foaming at the mouth, seizures, and, or dying," Gabig said.

    Last week, authorities said two 16-year-old Papillion-La Vista students tried Crazy Clown, which almost killed one of them.

    The incident prompted the school district to send out a letter to warn parents.

    "We wanted to open that dialogue with parents and make sure parents were talking with their students about it," said Annette Eyman, communications director of Papillion-La Vista.

    Gabig said what scares her as a scientist is how little she knows and how easy it is to find Crazy Clown.

    "It's here, it's in Omaha. And just talking with people who work on the streets in Omaha, it is in Omaha," said Gabig.

  20. Basoodler
    Re: ALERT: Georgia reporting possible "bad batch" spice related illness

    Weather its media hype or widespread poisonings this case is starting to pick up steam nationwide. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more wide spead illness

    The public is just flat out sick of hearing about this stuff.. we could seems the proverbial torches and pickaxes come out

    Also If you google newzealand synthetic drugs perits, you will find a page that lists all of the products still pending approval to be sold there.. if you find it it you will see 10-15 cannabinoids that nobody knows about.. (ldd/3 ,sgt 42 cl-2201,are a few) its scarey that people smoke this without knowing what it is they are smoking.

    Btw that permit list may be useful to smokers ..atleast you can read about them ahead of time
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