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Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive (UPDATE: 25i-NBOMe)

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  1. Phungushead
    View attachment 29064 APEX - For fifteen tension-filled minutes, teenagers and a 911 operator worked to keep 17-year-old Timothy Justin Castaneda alive. Numerous times throughout the call, Castaneda stopped breathing and started having seizures, according a 911 recording released Wednesday.

    “They need to hurry up. Somebody start dragging him. I honestly don’t know what to do. I’ve never been uh.... He’s foaming. He’s foaming at the mouth,” said one panicked teen during the call.

    The operator urged the teens to stay calm, check Castaneda’s breathing patterns and shift him from his back to his side.

    “I see his eyes. He’s blinking. He’s breathing, he’s still awake,” a relieved friend tells the operator.

    Every few minutes a heartbreaking plea filters through, “C’mon Timmy, come out of it.”

    He would die seven days later. Police have charged fellow student Ryan Laches, 17, with two counts of selling LSD to Castaneda.

    Castaneda was with three other teenage boys when police arrived. All three independently said Laches had supplied the LSD, according to a search warrant made public Tuesday. The other teens told police that Castaneda had taken two “hits” of LSD about 11 p.m. and soon began “freaking out,” according to the warrant.

    The teens said Castaneda’s behavior continued until he collapsed shortly before they called 911 nearly three hours later, according to the warrant.

    Bob Whitaker of Cary said his 15-year-old son was at the same party as Castaneda that night. The two were friends. The next morning, police arrived at Whitaker’s house to ask him whether his son was alive and safe. “I was totally shocked,” Whitaker said.

    Police told him that they thought his son also had taken the drug and were concerned that it may have affected him similarly. His son, who was fine, had not told him what happened to Castaneda.

    Whitaker said he is making his son go to Castaneda’s wake so he can understand the magnitude of what happened.

    The state Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Chapel Hill has not said how Castaneda died.

    Gary Sauls said in his 30 years working with patients who are drug users, he has never seen anyone die from LSD. Sauls, who works with people ages 13 to 24 at the Duke Center for Adolescent Substance Use Treatment, thinks other factors may have contributed to the death.

    “It is a great tragedy,” he said.

    Sauls said what concerns him about the incident is that some parents may see their children experimenting with drugs and assume it’s just a phase.

    “Ten to 15 percent of people do not grow out of it,” Sauls said. “It really depends on intervention.”


    Oct 17, 2012 07:12 PM

    By Amanda James and Aliana Ramos
    http://www.carynews.com/2012/10/17/65447/apex-student-dies-after-apparent.html

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  1. Phungushead
    911 calls released in teen's LSD overdose

    [IMGL="white"]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29066&stc=1&d=1350551268[/IMGL] APEX, N.C. (WTVD) -- Authorities have released a dramatic 911 call from a friend of an Apex teen who died after taking LSD. The call, which was made from the woods behind the Beaver Creek shopping center in Apex, was made public Wednesday afternoon.

    Police said 15 to 20 people were at the party early in the morning of Oct. 6.

    Seventeen-year-old Timmy Castaneda had taken two hits of LSD according a search warrant filed in the case. Police have charged fellow Apex High School student Ryan Laches with selling Castaneda the drugs.

    The caller told the 911 dispatcher that Castaneda had taken the LSD about three hours earlier.

    Caller: "He's on acid. He's on LSD -- lysergic acid. Come on! No, Timmy! Pull through! Timmy, pull through!"

    By the time 911 was called, Castaneda was having seizures.

    Caller: "I don't. I honestly don't know what to do. I've never been, awww, he's foaming. He's foaming at the mouth."

    Dispatcher: "I want you to turn him on his side."

    Caller: "Turn him on his side. Come on. Help me get him on his side. Get him on his side!"

    The caller said Castaneda was breathing but moaning. At one point, the caller said Castaneda was twitching and blood was coming from his mouth, then it got worse.

    Caller: "He's not breathing."

    Dispatcher: "He's not breathing? Okay I'm going to tell you..."

    Caller: "He's going into another convulsion. He's going into another convulsion."

    Dispatcher: "Okay, if he's having a convulsion he's not going to be breathing."

    Caller: "Alright, he's back. He's breathing again."

    However, when paramedics arrived a minute later, Castaneda was no longer breathing or responding.

    Castaneda was taken to the hospital where he died a week later.


    Wednesday, October 17, 2012

    Ed Crump
    http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8850814
  2. profesor
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    I'm not clear where this quote is originally from, but the article shows nothing of the sort. It has one doctor admitting he has never seen a death from LSD.
    Also it shows that someone who was sold what was said to be LSD died.
    Unless there's a toxicology report confirming that it was, I'm not going to believe it actually was LSD, but something else.


  3. source
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    I have never had LSD, but surely someone should have called 911 a little earlier?? I mean this guy had continued to 'freak out' for 3 hours before someone finally called for help and even that was after he had collapsed.
    Just seems a bit odd to let him carry on like that for so long.

    Plus - does anyone find that photo, of the guy charged, just completely freaky? =/

    profesor, that quote was from Phungy himself lol =P And it does make a change to have a doctor state that, and also to have his reputable words actually put in print.
  4. zerozerohero
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    Unless dosed with >1mg of LSD (that's about a 100 regular hits), nobody ever officially died from taking LSD - there is one death report from Edgwood hospital where the US army was testing LSD on "volunteers" in the 50's that has been unclassified, the soldier's family even won in court and got a settlement, the guy was reportedly given over 1mg of LSD... LSD is not the cause of death here, negligence and a series of external factors is.
    No doubt the media will be pushed by the authorities into making that event an anti-LSD marketing campaign.
    So sorry about that kid who died though, a parent's nightmare...

    EDIT:(not even sure if the reoprt did not state 1g and not 1mg ... will research!)
    [EDIT2] yes, i definitely got my numbers wrong up there... still looking for that video to get the reported lethal amount in the case mentioned above.
  5. stryder09
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    Straight from Baselt's Disposition regarding death attributed to LSD:

    A case in which death was directly attributed to LSD involved a 25 year old man who died 16 hours after hospital admission; antemortem serum and postmortem blood contained 14 and 5 ug/mL LSD, respectively. (Fysh et al., A Fatal Poisoning with LSD. For Sci Int 28: 109-113 (1985)).
  6. fractalissue
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    the medical "professionals" haven't released the cause of death. n just because someone gives you blotter doesnt mean its lsd. the report said nothing of anti-depressants that could have been an MAOI that would make someone freak out if mixed with lsd, possibly die but that is just speculation. also lithium mixed with lsd causes severe reactions that last at least 7-8 days.
  7. bman1
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    Has anyone seen the toxicology reports yet? I'm sorry to here about any lose but sounds like another death by somethings misrepresented as LSD. Possibly a NBOMe
  8. Phungushead
    Teen told Apex police that friend bought LSD online: Student sold 100s of online drug

    [IMGL="white"]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29210&stc=1&d=1351129620[/IMGL] RALEIGH - A 17-year-old Apex High School student told police that he and another student had sold hundreds of “hits” of the drug LSD to Triangle high school students over several months before one of those students died of an apparent overdose.

    Timothy Castaneda, 17, died Oct. 13, seven days after taking LSD at a party in a wooded area behind Beaver Creek Cinemas at the Beaver Creek Shopping Center in Apex.

    Apex police charged fellow student Ryan Laches, 17, with two counts of selling LSD to Castaneda. Laches told police that he got the LSD from a Cary high school student who purchased the drugs online, according to a search warrant made public Tuesday.

    The warrant indicated that someone had called police to say the drug was manufactured at a high school student’s homemade chemistry lab. The caller’s identity is not revealed in the warrant.

    Apex police have not made any additional arrests in the case, but continue to investigate, Apex police Capt. Ann Stephens said Tuesday.

    Soon after his arrest, Laches admitted to police that he sold two hits of LSD to Castaneda on Oct. 3 at Apex High School, according to the warrant. Laches also told police he sold LSD to four other people the night of the party and gave away at least seven other hits of the drug.

    Laches told investigators that he was working with an 18-year-old friend who attends Panther Creek High School in Cary. He told police that his friend would order the LSD online and have the purchases sent to a box at the Apex Post Office on West Williams Street, according to the warrant.

    Laches said he did not know from whom or where his friend purchased the LSD, which came in packages ranging from several hundred to 2,000 hits, according to the warrant.

    Laches told police that he and his partner would sell the drug for $5 to $10 a hit to fellow students in Apex, Cary and Raleigh, according to the warrant.

    Castaneda was with three other teenage boys when police arrived behind the Beaver Creek Cinemas at 1:45 a.m. on Oct. 6. All three independently said Laches had supplied the LSD, according to a search warrant made public earlier this month. The other teens told police that Castaneda had taken two “hits” of LSD about 11 p.m. and soon began “freaking out,” according to that warrant.

    The teens said Castaneda’s behavior continued until he collapsed shortly before they called 911 nearly three hours later.

    The state Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Chapel Hill has not said how Castaneda died.

    “It’s still undetermined at this time,” spokeswoman Sharon Artis said Tuesday.

    Gary Sauls said in his 30 years working with patients who are drug users that he has never seen anyone die from LSD. Sauls, who works with people ages 13 to 24 at the Duke Center for Adolescent Substance Use Treatment, thinks other factors may have contributed to Castaneda’s death.

    Police searched the second teen’s home Friday and seized cellphones, three post office box keys, flash drives, a desktop and laptop computer, court records show.


    Published: Oct 24, 2012 11:05 AM

    By Thomasi McDonald
    http://www.carynews.com/2012/10/24/65743/teen-told-apex-police-that-friend.html
  9. runnerupbeautyqueen
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    I think when they say "freak out" they mean that he was having a bad trip and not that he had been having seizures or anything like that. A bad trip isn't something I would call 911 for either. People slowly come out of it and unless they decide to hurt themselves there's really no risk of physical harm from a bad trip. These kids obviously have experience with the drug since they admit to having sold hundreds of hits and they even referred to it as lysergic acid in the 911 call. The fact that so many other kids allegedly took the same stuff seems to indicate it wasn't the acid but some underlying cause that may have been brought on by the acid. If it were me I would have done the same thing these kids did.

    And the claim that the kids were making the drug in a chemistry lab is bullshit. There's no way high school kids are able to make their own acid. Even if one kid did actually possess the skill needed to do so I don't see how he could possibly obtain the needed precursors.

    This is really sad. Not only did one kid lose his life but his friends who tried to save him are also going to lose theirs. They're just kids that did acid, they aren't dangerous criminal masterminds.

    The prosecutors trying to make an example of these kids are doing more harm than good because this isn't going to stop teenagers from experimenting. What it will stop, however, is teenagers from calling 911 in emergencies like this one. Instead they'll leave their friends in hospital parking lots, if they even do that, out of fear that by calling 911 they will be blamed and held accountable.
  10. porque
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    yeah but they might not have medical experience or enough drug education to recognize a allergy or bad reaction that could occur. this is a super sad story we need better drug education
  11. SamanthaRabbit
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    I am sad to hear that somebody died after taking two hits of an unknown drug. It is hard to say that this drug is LSD, and the LD50 for LSD is incredibly high in comparison to what would be two hits of acid. Is it possible for somebody to be allergic to ergot and have a reaction that was toxic? If he was foaming at the mouth it could have been asphyxiation. Or he was prescribed a medication that has a severe contradiction with LSD, ergot, or other drugs that may have been on the blotter. I personally assume that the blotters probably consumed probably contained a drug other than what is suspected. It is something that should highly be considered because there have been many cases where drugs are mislabeled and some of these drugs that are potentially 2C family drugs or another drug that is active at low doses but has a much lower LD50.

    I hope that more information comes out so people can be more aware of what actually caused his death for awareness purposes.
  12. hookedonhelping
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    This is nothing more than a young kid ordering a NBOMe, "laying it" in his "homemade chemistry lab" and then passing it off to people as LSD.

    Most teenagers don't have morals like the the vast majority of us do. The odd's these kids were getting real LSD delivered to a P.O Box is unlikely. I think based on the data these articles provide, it's clear that this has little to do with LSD, and more to do with dumb kids trying to make a buck.

    Sad, yes. But it's also sad that LSD is getting a lot of bad publicity lately, a result of people being shady and ignorant.

    I could be way off base here, but i doubt it.
  13. enquirewithin
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    We need a coroner's report before coming to any conclusions, but the chances that this was LSD are very slim. The chance it was some type of phenethylamine seems higher. Yet another problem caused by prohibition-- misunderstanding about drugs taken and sold. No drugs die in the absurd 'war on drugs' but people do.
  14. source
    Re: 17 Year Old Male Dies After 2 "Hits" Of "LSD"/25x-NBOMe Compound

    Yeah I noticed there were quite a few, just chose the top one in the list so there was a link to your post ;)

    There following link is a post on DF from 17th October when the incident first happened:
    http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196799
  15. SIR KIT
    Re: 17 Year Old Male Dies After 2 "Hits" Of "LSD"/25x-NBOMe Compound

    Just to be clear, it's just "expected" that this was 25x-nbome right? The article only says LSD. But plenty have died from the nbome in the past few years, are there really people selling nbomes as lsd? Are there really enough stupid people who have never done lsd to make a business off selling an obviously different drug? This is all hypothetical i'm not interested in doing this I just didn't even know it was possible. Makes me question some of the "weird" blotters SWIM has purchased lately
  16. deal trees
    My pet monkey purchased some of the same blotters from the same guy on the same day. My pet monkey knew the people directly involved in this incident. My pet monkey also went to the wake, funeral, and burial. He was not affected in weird sorts by the "blotters." My monkey also told me that the boy who sold it to him was selling it as LSD assuming it was from ergot. He knew no better.
  17. profesor
    Re: 17 Year Old Male Dies After 2 "Hits" Of "LSD"/25x-NBOMe Compound

    Sorry for the loss.
    I've heard that 25x-NBOMe has a bitter/metallic taste and/or numbing sensation when eaten.
    It makes sense to me that it might be 25x-NBOMe, because for about 40 years there had been no known deaths caused directly from LSD, but there's been a few 25x-NBOMe deaths already, and it's fairly new. It also wouldn't surprise me that the cops and media have it wrong. Be careful!
  18. deal trees
    My pet monkey told me that it made him feel distorted and did in fact have a metallic taste. My pet thanks you for the condolences.
  19. JJ1234
    Re: Alleged Death From LSD: Teens try to keep friend alive during 911 call

    The facts that are shown so far indicate some form of 25x-NBOMe. Not surprising really with the influx of those who see easy money. I think the main problem is people take it too lightly when laying blotters. There are many "cut throat" vendors out there new to the game admitting that their blotters were laid wrong. They just don't get that if some of them had less chemical than expected then some will contain more too.

    So anyone getting the bright idea to do something like this better be prepared for a long prison term. Especially since the media and police will consider it a "drug lab" if someone is simply just laying blotters. Then someone dies(they don't even know cause of death, right?) and add manslaughter to the charges.

    Anyway I highly doubt LSD is the culprit. Just some kid that thought he knew it all buying a gram(1000-2000 hits) and thought about the profit margin before considering the possibility of stuff like this happening. I know, I was 17 once! The age of invincibility and I thank God for surviving the dumb shit I have done.

    Sad thing is the age of these kids. I feel for the families of all involved. Sad in more than one way for sure!
  20. Phungushead
    Apex teen died after taking 'N-bomb,' not LSD

    [IMGL="white"]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=34862&stc=1&d=1378779091[/IMGL] RALEIGH, N.C. - An Apex teen who died in 2012 after taking what friends said were two hits of LSD had the designer drug "N-bomb" in his system.

    A report by the state medical examiner lists "complications of 25I-NBOMe toxicity" as the cause of death of Timothy Castaneda.

    25I-NBOMe is a psychedelic drug more commonly known as "N-bomb," "Smiles" and "25I." Like LSD, N-bomb may be distributed in liquid form on blotter paper.

    Apex Police found the 17-year-old former Apex High School student unresponsive in a wooded area behind Beaver Creek Cinemas in the Beaver Creek Shopping Center on Oct. 6, 2012. He died a week later.

    A friend of Castaneda called 911 shortly after his friend collapsed after taking the drug. The caller said Castaneda was "on LSD."

    When they arrived, EMS responders described the teen as "pale and cyanotic, hot to the touch, with pupils dilated to the point where no iris was showing." He was also unresponsive and having a seizure.

    Castaneda was transported to Rex Hospital and then transferred to WakeMed, where he died seven days later. Doctors said he "never regained meaningful neurologic function" while hospitalized.

    The report called Castaneda's death an "accident."

    Police arrested and charged Ryan Laches, who was 17 at the time of Castaneda's death, with two counts of selling a controlled substance to Castaneda.

    Police said Laches gave Castaneda a drug at a party that day. A search warrant said Laches was trying to "drum up business" by handing out free hits of a drug.

    Laches is scheduled to make his next court appearance on these charges on Oct. 9.


    Posted: Sep 09, 2013 3:29 PM PST

    WNCN Staff
    Photo: Timothy Castaneda was found unresponsive in a wooded area behind Beaver Creek Cinemas in the Beaver Creek Shopping Center on Oct. 6, 2012.
    http://www.wncn.com/story/23383841/apex-teen-died-after-taking-n-bomb-not-lsd
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