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  1. MikePatton

    Ten substances used to make so-called kiosk drugs were recently declared illegal, after they were added to the Dangerous Drugs Ordinance, health officials told Haaretz.

    Some substances, sold in kiosks under the name Nice Guy, were seized by the police, Military Police, Health Ministry and Customs narcotics unit and were identified by the police’s forensics officers.

    The drugs include psychoactive substances including synthetic cannabinoids, hallucinogens, stimulants, drugs that depress the nervous system, mood-changing substances and opiates. Their side effects include addiction, possible psychosis, aggression, mania, muscle pain and kidney damage.

    These substances were temporarily banned in the past year but have now been added to the law.

    In July 2013 the Knesset outlawed psychoactive substances in drugs that were sold in kiosks. The law authorized the Health Ministry’s director-general to ban distribution of these drugs until they were added to the ordinance.

    The kiosk drugs are accessible and cheap, and many young people, including soldiers, use them.

    “Synthetic cannabinoids, for example, consist of the same receptors as THC in marijuana, but are 40 times more powerful and at times even more than 40 times stronger,” says Mickey Arieli, director of the Health Ministry’s pharmaceutical-crime unit.

    “We receive reports from hospitals and psychiatric hospitals about young people who arrive in total psychotic condition and of incidents involving extreme violence," he said. "Some of them were normative children. Some of the doctors tell us that these are the worst cases they’ve ever encountered and don’t know how to deal with them.”

    In one case, a 17-year-old was hospitalized after smoking Nice Guy. A few hours later he told his parents he was hallucinating and his head was burning. He was hospitalized in a psychiatric ward and required prolonged medical treatment, Arieli said.

    “One thing we looked into was how the substance is prepared,” he said. “Usually in the lab they take dry leaves of some legal plant and spray them with the powders of the synthetic cannabinoids, after they melt them with acetone. But that’s all. Last year, however, we caught a big lab in Be’er Sheva, which produced 3.5 tons of kiosk drugs. When we examined the acetone we found an anti-depressant medical substance that enhances the synthetic cannabinoid’s strength,” he said.

    By Ido Efrati
    Aug. 21, 2014
    Haaretz News


  1. Alien Sex Fiend
    Wouldn't smoking an antidepressant be pointless? Besides antidepressants take 2-3 weeks of at least daily dosing to be felt at all
  2. MikePatton
    For the most part, yes, but I think it's impossible to answer that without knowing the actual substance. Also, it could have been used to help the synthetic cannabinoids reach the BBB quicker, or something to that effect, though this is pure speculation.
  3. Basoodler
    Probably phenzepan, it has been identified several times officially in spice.

    It would also be accurate to call some of the faah inhibitors antidepressants, more so than phenzepam, but I doubt that is the case .

    Would smoking phenzepam even do anything?
  4. MikePatton
    I don't think they would refer to Phenazepam as an antidepressant, Benzodiazepines aren't usually used as antidepressants, and I don't know if it can be smoked. FAAH inhibitors make more sense, I think they could be used to increase the effects of Cannabinoids, but they're even further from antidepressants.

    The last time I heard about cutting agents in Israeli smoke blends it was in an article last year about a smoking blend that sent some people to the hospital and was later found to contain massive amounts of Triclosan which is an antibacterial, I still can't make sense of it but I posted it here last year:
    The people I know who smoke the stuff say it has grown significantly more potent since last year and the price has went down. Whether this is the result of increased concentration of Cannabinoids or added cut is unkown. This was also mentioned in another article I shared here:
  5. Basoodler
    Some faah inhibitors are antidepressants specifically
  6. MikePatton
    I didn't know that, good info. In that case, this might be it, it seems to fit the stated goal from the article of enhancing the cannabinoid effects. I believe it's also soluble in aceton which is another thing the article says. Only question is can it be smoked? And how available is it? It had to have been procured in massive quantities to dillute a 3.5 ton batch.
  7. Basoodler
    I still suspect it is more of the following

    As far as Faah goes URB-597 has been widely used in blends.. A long with other oddball inhibitors.

    Like anything else in that game , the effects are not documented enough to form much of an opinion on subjective effects of possible potentiation.

    Not to mention the possibility of a new oddball drug that has been introduced to market .. Hell there is documented evidence of URB-597 reacting with another chemical in a blend to form another New molecule after its been been applied to plant matter..

    Who knows
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