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  1. ZenobiaSky
    Attorneys for six Death Row prisoners in Arizona filed a lawsuit against state officials on Thursday alleging “human experimentation” in executions.

    Inmate Joseph Wood, one of the plaintiffs, asked a federal court to stop his scheduled July 23 execution, protesting the state’s new two-drug protocol.

    The 21-page complaint filed in U.S. District Court states the Arizona Department of Corrections plans to use midazolam and hydromorphone for the first time.

    Since 2011, Arizona has been using pentobarbital for executions, but the state sent Wood’s attorney a letter in April saying it was using this new combination because it no longer can procure pentobarbital, according to the complaint.

    “I really think they’re making it up as they go along,” Dale Baich, Wood’s attorney, said. “This type of review is necessary to ensure they’re complying with constitutional standards.”

    The complaint cites the Jan. 16 execution in Ohio of Dennis McGuire that was the first to use this drug combination.

    Witnesses to that execution said “McGuire started struggling and gasping loudly for air, making snorting and choking sounds which lasted for at least 10 minutes, with his chest heaving and his fist clenched. Deep, rattling sounds emanated from his mouth,” according to the complaint.

    Ohio’s executions are temporarily on hold while a federal court reviews the state’s execution protocol.

    The complaint also states that nearly one-third of the executions using midazolam have had problems.

    The Arizona attorney general’s office said it is in the process of reviewing the complaint and would not provide further comment.

    Wood, 55, was sentenced to death for killing his estranged girlfriend and her father at a Tucson auto-body shop in 1989.

    By Maya Srikrishnan
    LOS ANGELES TIMES
    Saturday June 28, 2014 6:36 AM
    http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...rizona-inmates-sue-over-new-death-drugs.html?

    The Newhawks Crew


Comments

  1. Alien Sex Fiend
    midazolam and hydromorphone don't sound too bad of a combination. its nice to see prisoners demand their rights
  2. ZenobiaSky
    The following is my personal and professional opinion:

    For once I actually agree with the inmates on death row... versed (midazolam) is not an adequate sedating medication for this purpose, there are many better choices, versed is far from comparison to phenobarbital. Versed in practice is the drug of choice for "twilight" anesthesia, where hopefully the patient won't remember the procedure. Although I've seen many heart cath patients who can recall the whole thing.

    I've even had procedures using versed where I woke up during the procedure. Hydromorphone is an opiate painkiller, which I have no idea what they hope to accomplish by this combination.

    Most protocols call for the use of potassium chloride to stop the heart, so... what's the plan... put him under with versed and OD the guy on opiates???? I'd file a lawsuit too!!!!!
  3. Alien Sex Fiend
    yeah sounds like the plan. make him meet death and kill him by OD. Still, its not the worst death. its better than chair or hanging or firing squad. that explains why it takes 45min to die for an inmate, and saliva, and jerking, and rapid breathing and choking sounds reported in last executions
  4. Dimethylysergicalyblessed
    This is just horrible, I don't understand why it has to be anything but peaceful and quick with all the cheap methods out there at this time of age...

    Why not a helium mask? or nitrogen? Or CO? Is gassing people inhumane in any sort of way? Compared overdosing patients with opiates and a light sedative...

    Helium masks need to be the future of assisted deaths in our prison systems imo. Might take a little longer but I'd take that over overdosing.

    I understand how the barbiturates they once used are pricey but those were honestly best for the job.
  5. Alien Sex Fiend
    yeah but don't they use cyanide when gassing? isnt it like really painful?
  6. Dimethylysergicalyblessed
    Many different methods when it comes to gassing, cyanide is what the nazis used if I'm not mistaken. Which was and is very painful...

    Helium is virtually painless, all oxygen is replaced by helium in your body and you fall asleep to your death silently. Same with nitrogen but nitrogen would be harder for them to source cheaply.

    The disturbing part would be for the people watching the death having to watch their loved one slowly fade away with a bag on their head, still much better than watching them OD though.

    They could even make a little contraption that uses hydrogen sulfide, making it instant almost and incredibly cheap.

    This whole benzo + opiates as a means for death is just ridiculous. Might feel okay at first but wow.
  7. ZenobiaSky
    It's a bit off topic, but it's all about the death penalty anyways, so I did some research.

    Five states, Arizona, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri and Wyoming, still offer execution by lethal gas if lethal injection cannot be administered, the inmate committed their crime before a certain date, or they request to die in the gas chamber.

    When executions by gas chambers are conducted in the United States, the general protocol is as follows.

    First, the executioner will place a quantity of potassium cyanide (KCN) pellets into a compartment directly below the chair in the chamber. The condemned person is then brought into the chamber and strapped into the chair, and the airtight chamber is sealed.

    At this point the executioner will pour a quantity of concentrated sulfuric acid (H2SO4) down a tube that leads to a small holding tank directly below the compartment containing the cyanide pellets.

    The curtain is then opened, allowing the witnesses to observe the inside of the chamber. The prison warden then asks the condemned individual if he or she wishes to make a final statement. Following this, the executioner(s) throws a switch/lever to cause the cyanide pellets to drop into the sulfuric acid, initiating a chemical reaction that generates hydrogen cyanide (HCN) gas:

    Unfortunately the condemned is not wearing a hood, or any type of mask as this would interfere with the inhalation of toxic fumes.

    Execution by gas chamber is especially unpleasant for the witnesses to the execution due to the physical responses exhibited by the condemned during the process of dying. These responses can be violent, and can include convulsions and excessive drooling.

    Hmm sounds like some of the botched lethal injections.

    I live in Nebraska where the ONLY from of execution was the electric chair, which the state supreme court found "cruel and unusual", so for years the legislature debated on what would be fair, and came up with Lethal Injection... but after the botched execution in Oklahoma, Nebraska suddenly realized there supply of Sodium ThioPental had expired, so once again... Nebraska has no form of execution. The last one here was in 1997, and being from a conservative state, I seriously don't believe Nebraska will ever execute anyone again.

    So the age old debate continues.... what's the best, most humane, way to execute someone that's not "cruel or unusual", when these people didn't take any of those things in consideration when they viciously murdered and tortured the people that put them there. I've read the crimes committed on those on death row in my state, and not one of them took into consider "cruel and unusual" when they committed the crimes that landed them on death row....

    ever seen the movie "Boys Don't Cry"?

    All my statements can be backed up by wikipedia.... sorry for the rant.... but it's not a difficult decision, the difficulty is finding a drug company that is willing to supply a drug they knowingly will be used to execute someone.
  8. Openmymind
    I would think lsd ( makes you not fear death , or rather it's a common occurence )

    And morphine ( makes you feel no pain )

    And some lethal injection , Or other instrument to kill the person.

    The drugs should alleviate the pain. I'm not saying drug them to death.


    I got the idea from a documentary about how world war 2 soldiers carried around morphine. So if they were shot , they could take it and forget about the pain and continue to fight back.


    Or if someone was fatally wounded, morphine would feel less of a painful transition between life and death.



    once there is no pain, the death penalty will be as humane as it can possibly be. If the death penalty is humane at all. I mean if they wish death on themselves for not wanting to live in a prison for the rest of their lives how humane is it to keep them their. I don't know.
  9. Alien Sex Fiend
    Dimethylysergicalyblessed, the irony here is that
    Americans invented gassing with cyanide! as an experiment alternative to hanging. Then Nazis copied this "progressive" method from Americans, as an alternative to gassing with carbon monoxide. Nazis actually wanted to kill Jews as quick as possible, but didn't care how painful. They found cyanide quickest and cheapest(cheaper than bullets and twice quicker than others gases, "only" 20min to kill). Guess what happened to most of those wacky Nazi scientists? Only famous scientists got hanged, and the rest were invited to USA to form NASA, some refused and run away to Argentina. There is a great documentary on executions in general which was made in 1996. Not outdated at all
  10. Alien Sex Fiend
    So as ZenobiaSky described the method, American prisons gas using exactly the same method like Nazis did to Jews. Nobody cares to compare most of the time. Frankly if they want the quickest way to die they should bring back the guillotine. It takes less than 10 sec to die and they can prick a death row inmate with some morphine first. When they use "medicines" to kill citizens, it s just a show for voters to try and prove that the state-enforced execution is not barbaric, it really is
  11. soso
    If quick and painless is the main objective then whats wrong with shooting them?
    Quick, painless and cheap.
    Suppose it would be a bit distressing for the witnesses, who witnesses executions anyway? Does the family of victims watch it?
    Doctors/surgeons can knock you out within seconds for an operation so why not do that, then once they knocked out it wouldn't matter how they killed them because they wouldn't feel anything.
  12. Alien Sex Fiend
    They are invited to just like lawyers, prosecutors, and family of the inmate
  13. soso
    Is that what this is all about? Making it easier for people to watch?
    Killing someone isn't the issue just so long as its not distressing to the witnesses.
    People shouldn't pretend this about the person being executed, it's about making it easier to stomach.
    Personally I think about if suffering isn't a bad thing for some of these sick bastards, it's like if someone rapes and murders a child then why worry if they suffer.
  14. Openmymind
    @soso

    You don't want to go to their level. It's easy to say you're fine with something being killed inhumanely without seeing it.


    But if you were the person in charge of doing it i bet you'd have a greater respect for what this entails.

    I wouldn't want that job if it was the last job on earth.
  15. Rob Cypher
    Inmate Executed in Arizona Takes Two Hours to Die After Injection

    Joseph Wood reportedly gasped for more than an hour tonight during his execution at the Arizona State Prison Complex in Florence, Arizona.

    Wood died one hour and 57 minutes after his lethal injection started.

    An Associated Press reporter, who watched the execution, said that Wood gasped more than 600 times for an hour and 40 minutes.

    "I counted about 640 times he gasped," Michael Kiefer added, a reporter for The Arizona Republic. "I just know it was not efficient. It took a long time."

    A reporter for Fox 10 News, Troy Hayden, said it was "very disturbing to watch... like a fish on shore gulping for air."

    “One thing is certain, however, inmate Wood died in a lawful manner and by eyewitness and medical accounts he did not suffer,” said Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R). “This is in stark contrast to the gruesome, vicious suffering that he inflicted on his two victims, and the lifetime of suffering he has caused their family.”

    However, Gov. Brewer is also calling for a review of her state's "lawful" execution process.

    “I’ve witnessed a number of executions before and I’ve never seen anything like this,” Wood’s attorney Dale Baich told The Washington Post. “Nor has an execution that I observed taken this long.”

    Richard Brown, the brother-in-law of Debbie Dietz, who was killed by Wood in 1989, countered, "This man conducted a horrific murder and you guys are going, let's worry about the drugs. Why didn't they give him a bullet, why didn't we give him Drano?"

    Wood was convicted in 1991 of fatally shooting Dietz and her father, Gene Dietz, in Tucson, Arizona.

    According to the Daily Mail:

    Arizona reportedly uses the sedative midazolam and painkiller hydromorphone, the same drugs that were used in a botched Ohio execution.

    Many states, such as Arizona, have refused to reveal the pharmacies that supply lethal injection drugs.

    Michael Allen
    Opposing Views
    July 23, 2014

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...ie-after-injection-video#sthash.HSYoHZRc.dpuf
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