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Bath salts drug hits Saint John region

  1. ellisd
    Highly-addictive synthetic drug already plaguing nearby Bangor, Me.

    A highly-addictive synthetic drug that goes by the name bath salts has made its way into the greater Saint John area and police are warning people of its dangers.
    Drug analysis tests by Health Canada recently confirmed 818 pills seized from a home on Golden Grove Road in September contained methylenedioxypyrovalerone, or MDPV, a psychoactive compound used to make bath salts, said Detective Sgt. Craig MacDougall, of the Rothesay Regional Police Force.
    “As far as I’m aware, this is a first for the Atlantic Canada region, or at least in New Brunswick, a seizure of this,” he said.
    The drug — which causes hallucinations, paranoia, violent behaviour, increased heart rate and high blood pressure — is already common in the United States, including Maine.
    “The city of Bangor has in the last year been inundated with bath salts and it’s caused lot of upheaval there,” said MacDougall.
    Just a few months ago, the Bangor police chief told CBC News the community of 32,000 was seeing between one and seven cases a day of people high on the drug.
    As of December, the department had responded to more than 400 incidents involving the drug and at least three people in the area had died as a result of using bath salts.
    “So it’s an extremely dangerous drug,” with devastating health and social implications, said MacDougall.
    “Because of the hallucinations, paranoia, the health emergencies, it taxes your services in your city — the emergency rooms…It puts pressure and strain on the whole health service, it puts pressure and strain on your emergency services, the ambulances, fire department, the police,” he said.
    “There's extreme danger when people are in that excited delirium, having paranoia, hallucinations, they'll either harm themselves or harm other people, harm our police officers.”
    May be confused with ecstasy

    bath-salts-mdpv-220.jpg Bath salts are often sold in a white powder form that can be snorted, injected, smoked or swallowed. (CBC)Another concern is that the pills police seized were manufactured to resemble ecstasy, branded with innocuous-sounding names, such as Ivory Snow, Ocean Burst, Stardust and White Dove, said MacDougall.
    “So we could have people out there consuming what they think is ecstasy and in fact they’re consuming bath salts," he said.
    Ecstasy is a drug that’s not very good as well, but bath salts are even worse.”
    Ecstasy, which is also a synthetic drug with hallucinogenic properties, commonly comes in tablet form.
    Bath salts, also known by the name mephedrone, is often sold in a white powder form that can be snorted, injected, smoked or swallowed.
    It can be ordered legally and inexpensively over the internet in the United States. It is also sold in some small shops as actual bath salts or plant food.
    Although bath salts are illegal in Canada, some of its ingredients have not yet been classified or categorized with the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, said MacDougall.
    “It was kind of slipping through the cracks as far as law enforcement or seizure purposes,” he said.
    “I’d expect in short order this particular ingredient will be regulated and controlled and it will make it much harder for it to be imported and manufactured and distributed.”
    It’s too soon to say how widespread bath salts are in the Saint John region, said MacDougall.
    “We’re not naïve to believe that we made this seizure, that we’re not going to see it again or that somebody else isn’t going to try to bring it in,” he said.
    “All we can do is deal with the hand we’re dealt and see what happens. If we get further information, evidence that it is arriving, we’ll react accordingly and do everything we can to nip it in the bud.”
    Meanwhile, two males who were arrested during the raid on Golden Grove Road, where cocaine, marijuana and prescription pills were also seized, are expected to face trafficking charges next month.



  1. ellisd
    Hallucinogenic 'bath salts' entering Canada

    Powerful synthetic drug said to mimic methamphetamine

    The use of a synthetic hallucinogenic drug known as “bath salts” has begun to emerge in Canada, raising concern among health and law enforcement officials.
    Containers of bath salts sit on a counter at Hemp's Above in Mechanicsburg, Pa., in this January 2011 file photo. (Chris Knight/The Patriot-News/Associated Press)
    The powerful white powder is also known by the name mephedrone and is reported to cause anxiety, delusions and dangerously high blood pressure, as well as occasionally violent behaviour.
    The drug is popular in England and the U.S. and now is starting to show up in Canada. It can be ordered legally and inexpensively over the internet in the United States.
    Sgt. Paul Edwards of the Bangor, Maine, police told CBC News he would never forget when bath salts first showed up in the city. It was April, and he had just pulled over a driver he suspected was driving drunk.
    "Basically, she had her rear end up on the … back rest," he said. "Her body was so contorted and writhing she could not, could not stop."
    Within weeks, he said, the drug had spread through the city: "We were dealing with this every single day, several times a day."
    In Canada, Dr. Margaret Thompson, director of the Ontario Poison Centre, said bath salts are just starting to emerge. She first saw a patient on the drug last summer.
    "We probably were seeing them and didn't know what they were, and our usual drug screens were coming back negative, but we still had a feeling the patient was high on something," she said.
    The drug is illegal in Canada.
    Thompson said there have been reports of people high on the substance in Toronto, central Ontario and Calgary.
    She said all varieties of these bath salts are synthetic derivatives of the drug khat, a plant stimulant popular in parts of East African and the Mideast, but their composition can vary.
    Violent behaviour

    "You think you're getting something that's like khat, and it could be cut with all sorts of other stuff," she said. "It could be one per cent of the active ingredient, but it might be 100 per cent."
    Thompson said the drug increases people's heart rate and blood pressure, and it sometimes causes hallucinations, violent behaviour, or seizures.
    The drug is among several new synthetic designer drugs sold online or in small shops as actual bath salts or plant food.
    They are packaged as “soothing bath salts” to get around U.S. federal laws and are also marketed as plant fertilizer. The drugs are marketed under names such as Cloud 9, Ivory Wave, Vanilla Sky and White Rush and are sold over the counter in states that haven't banned them.
  2. Iconspired2
    In the U.S. where recently the bath salts seem to be getting a lot of attention. I actually saw this stuff in person for the first time the eve of 4/20. After reading a few articles as well as the hype here in the news the a question popped into my thoughts that has me wondering would we even be dealing some of the resent synthetic substances now had rationality decriminalized drugs years ago?
    Next thought now has me wondering if possibly some higher ups didn't orchestrate the introduction of these synthetic substances into society to keep the deception going of their resolve to keep us safe from the pusher scum just waiting to get our youth hooked? haa haa
    Hats off to those caring policy makers for once again screwing it's own citizens by making this stuff illegal as well. Buy something form the store you get to see the ingredients, make it illegal , price goes up, quality goes down, and cannot be sure of what kind of cut starts making it's way into the product.
    DEA-Deceiving Every American :(
  3. fehs
    When do they learn?

    It's getting very tiresome to read these articles made by people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and it's not even just one or two of these articles here and there, but MAJORITY of them are clueless, inaccurate and misleading. The very first sentence in the first article seems to suggest that 'bath salts' is/is made of a single substance, which it of course isn't. The second one seems to suggest that MDPV equals to 'bath salts', which it doesn't. I'm not even going to read the whole article if it starts with 'facts' like those, which is kind of sad, because they potentially COULD'VE been very informative and interesting if the reporter just had a clue.
  4. DiabolicScheme
    Unfortunately the media feels the need to sensationalize stories instead of stating facts. They don't seem to care about accuracy they just care about shock value and negativity.

    I rarely come across drug articles that have a neutral or positive look at a drug, especially "new" drugs that just came into the light.

    This article is just as dangerous as the substance itself, if someone looking to try a bath salt product based on this article they would be led to believe bath salts are MDVP or mephedrone when they can literally be anything. So someone could look up the dose requirements for either and end up overdosing because it ended up being something considerably more potent.

    First the article leads one to believe bath salts are MDVP, then it says bath salts are also known as mephedrone. This is easily one of the most uninformed articles I've read and equal if not more dangerous than the drugs they are criticizing.
  5. twoiko
    I just feel the need to say something since this is so close to where I am right now. I haven't seen this article before but let me tell you I'm not surprised how terribly it's being handled. I know sales for this stuff will skyrocket soon because of this article alone.

    Also if these substances were illegal as the articles try to point out, then why are there still Canadian websites who openly sell MDPV, 4-MMC and Methylone? Because it's just Health Canada's opinion that they are illegal, but it's never been proven in court.

    I hope they don't start selling it in headshops like the synthetic cannabinoid blends. Most people around here can't tell the difference between Mescaline and PCP cut with dextrose. I wouldn't be at all surprised if these bath salts became extremely popular since Cocaine seems to be the drug of choice in this city.

    Oh, I almost forgot, as for how long these things have been around? Well the source I am talking about has been open in Canada for over 3 years now. As for the "first for the Atlantic Canada region, or at least in New Brunswick, a seizure of this" I can see that being true, I have not heard about "bath salts" showing up around Atlantic Canada at all until this article. But for Cathinones? I'm sure they've run into them before and just treated them like MDMA or some other Amphetamine analogue.
  6. Kidx
    There isn't even any proof that the chemicals you mentioned (MDPV, 4-MMC, etc.) are in these bath salts.
  7. twoiko
    I'm not saying there is, but since they mentioned "Mephedrone" being illegal specifically in the second article I thought I'd point out it's not. Sorry, I should have been more specific.

    Still, whatever IS in bath salts is still probably not illegal in Canada (unless somehow they found a source for Cocaine bath salts), the only "recent" RCs that are illegal here are 2C-B and DOM, that's about it, and I seriously doubt they put these in bath salts.
  8. ellisd
    ^ Unfortunately, it's articles like these that will lead to scheduling of these compounds or Canada acquiring an Analogue Act similar to the US/UK. Especially when it makes the CBC news. It would probably be wise for Canadians to keep a close eye on the CDSA or any new proposed bills, if one was dabbling in this market.
  9. twoiko
    Well, the fact that the police are on to this stuff now is pretty nice since they'll be watching for more Bath Salts popping up in gas stations and similar places where they don't ID anyone and that's what I'm worried about more right now, a bunch of stupid kids reading these articles and finding out it only costs them a few dollars and a drive into town...

    So, I agree and scheduling has been happening a lot lately in Canada, they're passing legislation to schedule Salvia Divinorum now but not much else (yet). I can't see it being much longer now, usually Canada is right behind the USA in these matters, and they recently made it clear that Cathinones and even most 2Cs are illegal now.
  10. greenfairy1034
    I also agree about the above posts commenting on the news being inaccurate when it comes to research chemicals. I feel they do the same thing with herbal incense. When the news broadcasts that "spice" and "k2" have now become banned. They fail to mention that these are just brand names and that specific ingredients are what have been banned. These types of stories are more about shifting public opinion instead of being informative.
  11. Teknicality
    Am I the only one still thinking, wow that is a fucking ton of mdpv? Reading the article, it wasn't that great. It was a scare story so I guess that's to be expected. Seems like lately the enforcement agency's are really just going after people with loads of pills, hash, ect...

    then accidentally finding rc's laying around when they carry out the raids. Maybe it is the other way around though. Idc
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