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Big Day Out fans warned of new party drug 2C-P

By torachi, Jan 20, 2011 | | |
  1. torachi
    Fans attending the Big Day Out concert on Friday at Auckland's Mt Smart Stadium have been warned to stay away from a dangerous new party drug, say paramedics.

    Not a lot was known about 2C-P but it was a mix of ecstasy and other drugs and had surfaced at a couple of Auckland concerts in the last two or three months, St John event regional events manager Charlotte Guscott said.

    "It sounds like a bit of a charmer."

    People would have to be stupid to put such an unknown and potentially dangerous mixture into their bodies, she said.

    Symptoms could include headaches, vomiting, hallucinations and a lousy feeling.

    "I hate to stereotype them, but people who tend to take drugs like that don't necessarily just stay with pills. They have a few beers and might have some pot as well so it ends up as a bit of a concoction of all sorts," she said.

    The sun, heat, exhaustion, alcohol and drugs, all mixed together, "can make things a lot worse for a patient".

    However, drug abuse at the concert was not as big as some people thought and last year only 25 of the 1500 people treated by paramedics were treated for drug abuse.

    "It doesn't tend to feature high on the list of things that we treat."

    The 12-hour concert would be the biggest summer event for St John, with 45,000 fans expected.

    St John had stocked up on supplies and would have 150 doctors, nurses, paramedics and volunteers at the concert, Ms Guscott said.

    The most popular items were expected to be vomit bags, paracetamol tablets, sticking plasters, bandages, wound irrigation solution and ice packs.

    St John would set up a field hospital, two portable medical units and a series of first aid posts.

    There would also be medically equipped golf carts, and Segways -- two-wheeled, self-balancing bikes -- and pedal-medic bikes to help paramedics move among the 45,000 fans.

    Last year paramedics took 15 people to hospital in a moderate to serious condition for overdoses, chest pains, neck injuries and fractures. About 60 percent of St John workload last year was headaches and blisters.

    Many of the blister patients were females who wore brand new shoes to the event.

    St John also warned people to carry suitable clothing.

    The concert began at the hottest part of the day and lasted into the night which could get very cold. Dressing to impress could be the wrong choice, Ms Guscott said.

    Last updated 12:16 19/01/2011



  1. S.J.P.
    "A mix of ecstasy and other drugs?" Very good reporting... >_>
  2. torachi
    Yeah, its ridiculous. There's a lot of articles stemming from the original which says 2c-P's effects are described as a mix between LSD and MDMA.

    That quickly snowballed to reporters and 'event managers' alike to spew that its a dangerous combination of chemicals.

    You'd think no one has ever heard of wikipedia before.

    This is pretty damn amusing, though:
  3. spamman
    It's a sad state of affairs, when drug addicts logic and reasoning is higher than the professional press
  4. bubbly nubs
    Shit! That's very strange for a news article warning of the dangers of 2C-P! Surely its really not that popular? Its not as if it is the best hallucinogen of the 2C family. Also there is barely a scrap of information on the drug.

    EDIT: Party drug?! Now THAT is laughable! Id love to see someone tripping on 2CP be able to "party"!!
  5. chaos69
    ^Yeah I can imagine someone out at a club and taking some 2c-p for the first time and It not kicking in until the way home or maybe even when they're asleep then they trip for the whole next day. Good party.
  6. torachi
    It's not like it's getting popular. There's probably 1-3 people that go to these festivals that can get 2C-P, and unscrupulously sell it as an LSD or MDMA substitute for quite the profit.

    Most will be unprepared for the ensuing trip, and possibly double or triple dose.

    Just one incident at a festival with a friend telling the medics their passed-out buddy took 2C-P can cause a panic like the article above.

    There's probably tons of other random chemicals floating around at these same festivals, but 2C-P clearly can be a big culprit to cause problems.
  7. cra$h
    And that's why they feel obligated to "warn" people of this supposed killer. If you want good reporting, try to avoid really vague terms like "lousy feeling" or even hallucinations. Hell, the hallucinations is what people pay for. Way to go captain obvious. You really steered me and swim away from this one..... Thanks for the professional advice.
  8. torachi
    Clear advice on designer drugs

    Social Tonics Association New Zealand Chairman and party pill developer Matt Bowden echoed police messages today that since the banning of BZP party pills the recreational drug market was more dangerous for consumers with the unregulated nature of the black market, and added clear advice for users.

    "For a number of years in New Zealand we self-regulated our safer drug alternatives, you knew what you were getting, they were non addictive and they didn't kill people," said Matt Bowden today, "our last government had an opportunity to properly regulate these products and make them even safer, but instead made them illegal to the peril of consumers. We are now seeing the consequences of that action, as predicted."

    Mr Bowden was speaking in response to warnings of designer drugs including 2C-P which may be in circulation at the Big Day Out, and stressed that the key differences between 2C-P and real ecstasy were the long delay time for 2C-P to start working and the hallucinogenic nature of the drug.

    "The key problem with 2C-P that consumers need to know is that it can take up to four hours to start working, whereas real ecstasy can be felt in twenty minutes. This means somebody buying 2C-P may buy one, eat it, then half an hour later think they have got a dud and eat two or three more of them, not realising that what they have got is an 18 hour long trip coming on, which is now going to be an overdose and when the drug does come on it isn't a loved up buzz where you are hugging everybody, it is a strong trip which you may wish you could switch off in a crowd setting." Mr Bowden advised people to use a buddy system, "You are best to have somebody in your group all the time who is not taking alcohol or drugs and if you are tripping too hard try to find a quiet place with less stimulus and if need be seek medical help from St Johns, they won't arrest you."

    "The best advice is to actually avoid taking any pills or powders and be that person who is not taking drugs or alcohol, the music should be loud enough that you can feel it and enjoy it without random designer drugs messing up your day."

    Mr Bowden said New Zealand was leading the way in terms of drug policy but a lot of work was still to be done. "If we can get the laws straight and end the 'ban' culture, we will be able to develop safer drug alternatives to reduce the amount of illegal drugs being consumed by the hundreds of thousands of everyday kiwis who for genetic or cultural reasons choose drugs other than alcohol to celebrate. We would like to put new drugs through formal clinical trials to establish safety and then make them available to users in a regulated market, it really is the only pragmatic solution."

    Mr Bowden said he had put forward a detailed submission on drug toxicity testing to the Law Commission on their review of the Misuse of Drugs Act last year which will be made public in the near future. "We have learned the same lesson over and again from the days of alcohol prohibition forward through the racially motivated 'War on Drugs' in the 1960s and 1970s. When you make a drug illegal you don't neccessarily decrease consumption of that drug, you simply make it more dangerous, conversely proper testing and regulation can make the market a lot safer."

    "I will be making more information on future developments available at the release of my rock video 'Higher' within the next fortnight," said Matt Bowden, "the video spells it out a bit better, until then let's party safely."

    21st January 2011
    Matt Bowden

  9. bubbly nubs
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