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  1. Beenthere2Hippie
    PHILADELPHIA - Bill Cosby testified in 2005 that he got Quaaludes with the intent of giving them to young women he wanted to have sex with, and he admitted giving the sedative to at least one woman and "other people," according to documents obtained Monday by The Associated Press.

    The AP had gone to court to compel the release of the documents; Cosby's lawyers had objected on the grounds that it would embarrass their client. The 77-year-old comedian was testifying under oath in a lawsuit filed by a former Temple University employee. He testified he gave her three half-pills of Benadryl.
    Cosby settled that sexual-abuse lawsuit for undisclosed terms in 2006. His lawyers in the Philadelphia case did not immediately return phone calls Monday.

    Cosby has been accused by more than two dozen women of sexual misconduct, including allegations by many that he drugged and raped them in incidents dating back more than four decades. Cosby, 77, has never been criminally charged, and most of the accusations are barred by statutes of limitations.

    Cosby resigned in December from the board of trustees at Temple, where he was the popular face of the Philadelphia school in advertisements, fundraising campaigns and commencement speeches.

    By MaryClaire Dale - AP/July 6th, 2015
    Photo: Pagesix
    Newshawk Crew

    Author Bio

    BT2H is a retired news editor and writer from the NYC area who, for health reasons, retired to a southern US state early, and where BT2H continues to write and to post drug-related news to DF.


  1. mrs.badger
    Gee, I wonder why, 'America's Dad' ?
  2. Rob Cypher
    Criginally developed as an anti-malarial, the drug gained an exclusive cachet for enthusiasts after production ended in the 1980s but also has more nefarious uses

    What are quaaludes, exactly? The drug, referred to in pop culture everywhere from Watchmen to The Wolf of Wall Street, is particularly rare – and thus particularly desired by some. Now it’s back in the news for one of the worst reasons imaginable: Bill Cosby has admitted giving it to a woman he wanted to sleep with.

    Quaaludes weren’t always this infamous. When The Wolf of Wall Street came out, it featured an almost 15-minute-long sequence in which Leonardo DiCaprio’s character, the real-life stock market swindler Jordan Belfort, collapses into incoherence and nearly watches his best friend choke to death, all under the influence of several celebratory Lemmon 714 quaaludes. On the drug, the film, set in the late 80s seemed to say, you don’t make any sense, but you’re having the best time.

    Angela Serratore wrote in the Paris Review last year that everyone who talked to her about enjoying the film “included a half-whispered, wide-eyed aside: What exactly are quaaludes, and where can we get some?”

    Methaqualone was first synthesized in India in 1955 by scientists trying to find a cure for malaria. The drug was ineffective against the disease, but not as a central nervous system depressant – and if a user could resist its sedative effects, a user could get high.

    Its makers were distressed to hear this: just before it was banned, Lemmon, the manufacturer of the drug that used the name Quaalude in the early 1980s, spent a lot of manpower writing letters to editors demanding corrections when they referred to illegally manufactured methaqualone by their brand name.

    Lemmon lawyer Elliot Fisher told the AP in 1981 that the company knew about the illegal market for the drug, but didn’t mind. “[W]e considered it an excellent sleeping pill and it still is today,” he said. Ultimately, the FDA disagreed. (Fisher was probably even less happy with the other slang name for quaaludes: lemons.)

    The drug is expensive to manufacture and thus is effectively “out of print” since it was moved to the Controlled Substances Act’s schedule I, alongside heroin and cocaine, in 1984. Lemmon had already stopped making them the previous year because of all the lousy press. Part of quaaludes’ appeal for its users is simple snobbery – they’re hard to get, and using them makes you part of an exclusive club.

    But the drug also has a history of being used on the unwilling that predates the accusations against Cosby. Long before Rohypnol hit the market, quaaludes were a predator’s drug of choice, in part because its effect intensifies with alcohol. In 1977, when Roman Polanski was convicted of having unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl, the victim testified that he used champagne and part of a quaalude to keep her from resisting.

    Like any drug that’s expired, decades-old quaaludes can lose their potency or develop a delay, but that doesn’t stop people from trying them, even recently. On recreational drug boards, there are stories of people trying the substance and congratulatory messages from fellow enthusiasts when they come up. The stories are sometimes anticlimactic, however.

    “Welll completely backed [sic] out on those Ludes last night, dont know how I got home,but I woke up fully clothed with a quarter oz of weed I dont know how I got, all over my chest” wrote one user called Jman6181 on drug forum BlueLight . “I got paper wrist bands from bars so I now I went out…wtf. My friend said I literally got physically tossed from a bar because I was kept calling the bartender Magilla, and demanding a Mojo which is a drink that doesnt exist.”

    Sam Thielman
    The Guardian
    July 8, 2015

  3. Rob Cypher
    BTW, for future reference: Is it okay to print the name of other harm reduction sites if it comes up in the middle of a professionally written article? I know it's frowned up when brought up in other contexts on other subforums.
  4. Beenthere2Hippie
    I would think so. Erowid is mentioned on here time and again, so what would be the difference, as it is absolutely considered a harm-reduction site. As long as the harm-reduction site does not have commercial ads, and is mentioned in a totally unrelated source (and is not for their self-promoting), quotes such as, "Most of what people think is MDMA is actually not the drug at all," or some such thing. I cannot see why not.

    But then again, it's Alfa's site and not mine, so if you're in doubt still, I'd ask him. ;)

  5. TheBigBadWolf
    The FAQ state this: (in 1.4.5 No links to other discussion boards)
    So mentioning of any of them is not the issue, it is linking to them that is not allowed.

    I pretty often have names of Organisations or websites in articles and I never have got any negative resonance for it.

  6. AKA_freckles
    So I just learned the term for Cosbys apparent fetish - somnophilia.
    Ding, ding, ding, next stop... necrophilia?

    Usually people want to do freaky things when they do drugs. This Cosby thing somehow seems backwards to me.
  7. bobes
    Just a note that if Quaaludes are sounding appealing or interesting to anyone all of the anecdotal reports Ive read of people trying research chemicals claiming to be "identically" synthesized similar compounds to Quaaludes have been negative and failed to produce any of the mythical positive aspects to this substance.
    Im just concerned that this type of article will spark an interest for some "researchers". If anyone would like to provide evidence to the contrary then ill ask that this be moved to the Research Chemical Forum. Im not looking to spark a debate here just a serious warning that buyer beware as always.
  8. Rob Cypher
    Yeah, I've heard that the RC knockoffs of quaaludes tend to have less positive effects and more negative effects per mg than compared to the original. Wouldn't they technically be schedule I under the US analog act anyway? Since they're derived off a Schedule I substance? Or is it like how cannabinoids were able to skirt the analog laws for a while due to the way the laws were stated (in the cannabinoids' case, it was because they didn't have an affinity to the CB1 receptor like they did the CB2 version)?
  9. rawbeer
    From what I gather, the effects of 'ludes were pretty similar to benzos, and various benzos are sometimes sold as substitutes. Most people would have no way of comparing what they're getting to the real deal. And if you take something like Xanax and drink a few beers chances are you'll feel awesome and special for being high on 'disco biscuits'. And you'll probably go back to the guy you bought them from and buy more.

    Even people who did a bunch of the stuff back in the old days...how would they really be able to compare a new substitute? Some drug you took 30 years ago and combined with blow, wine and pot?
  10. bobes
    I have tried pentobarbital as a result of some seizures following a head trauma. It sure felt better than my xanax but my real point is that a few Benadryls arent going to knock most people out and think his claim to have used this as a dissociative strong enough to incapacitate someone enough to be raped is a crock of bull.
  11. scartissue_68
    Quaaludes were know as the "Love Drug", before they became famous for more nefarious purposes. With all due respect to Rawbeer, the disihibiting, sensual properties of methaqualone was unique and very impressive. When taken with a "friend", in reasonable doses, (splitting one 714) it truly provided a certain sexual enhancement that booze and benzos could never equal. This was particularly true combined with weed of the era. (1970-75)

    Later (1980), it was also a great drug for using when the coke ran out. No crash, but a nasty hangover from that combo was the payback.

    I don't wish to glamorize any drug, but legacy drugs, such as Quaalude (Owsley, Thai Stick dipped in Heroin, etc.) need the proper perspective of the reporting from those who took it in a recreational setting and at a time when it had yet to become a legend.

    Off my own topic: But, how did Cosby get good Quaalude in 2005? It was put in Schedule I and production stopped in the mid 80's. Cypher's article reports that it was hard to manufacture and it didn't age well. (???)
  12. babalooj
    I thought it was common knowledge that any "Quaalude" one were to come across nowadays is most likely to be a fake containing diazepam or some other benzo
  13. AKA_freckles
    I thought they are still available in South America (mandrax?) and maybe Brazil?
  14. Rob Cypher
    I've heard South Africa as well - allegedly they are crushed up and smoked with weed at times (could be wrong on this, to be honest), IIRC.
  15. AKA_freckles
    I meant South Africa ... I'm getting old. :(
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