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  1. Emilita
    A photo of two Victorian men dressed up as Indigenous Australians for an “Aussie Icon” party has sparked a massive reaction online over the weekend, with Indigenous musicians Briggs and Thelma Plum labelling the men “scumbags” and “disgusting little boys

    The photo, pictured below, was originally posted by Facebook user Sis Austin. Austin criticised the costume as "pure racism".

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    Austin says she copped online abuse and bullying for posting the photo, but said “I don’t care how many friends I lose” for “fighting for what is right.”

    “We must not be blinded to the racism in this country, and remember, observers are equally as disgusting as the offenders themselves,” Austin said.

    After sharing the post to his public page, rapper Briggs started replying to commenters who defended the photo. One commenter said “#GetOverIt”; others called Briggs “an out spoken [sic] asshole”, and a “petrol sniffer”. Briggs replied and posted screenshots of some commenters’ workplaces in response.

    Today Briggs told Hack it's disappointing to have to explain what's wrong with the photo

    It’s 2016 and in Australia you still have to explain to people why blackface is racist."

    Indigenous musician Thelma Plum shared the post too - and replied to a comment that also defended the photo.

    “I have put up with casual racism and racist "jokes" my whole life. I'm tired of it. And I'm sad. I'm so sad. Is there no way at all that you could see this from my point of view and think "oh well maybe because Aboriginal people (and the majority of the world) think blackface is wrong I probably shouldn't do it/defend it.”

    Briggs said views from one commenter, who says he’s a social worker for at risk youth, got him especially fired up.

    “The thing is, being a social worker, that’s a contamination risk, he shouldn’t be looking after any kids."

    “This isn’t just for show. It’s not my job to educate everyone about racism. that’s the usual response I get, ‘well you know why don’t you take the time to educate them’ - they’re grown men who can educate themselves,” Briggs tells Hack.

    Briggs says calling out racism on social media can have complex repercussions, but it ultimately makes people accountable for the actions

    ]People look at me like it’s my problem. Like pointing out racism is worse than the act itself. Saying ‘that’s racist’ creates more drama than the actual blackface situation.

    “Every now and then, it’s okay for me to make an example out of some of these racists, or people who harbour these racist views.

    "[Blakface] dehumanises, and it creates a mockery of someone's culture...To them it’s a laugh.

    “So much of this goes unaccounted for…the average person on the street doesn’t want confrontation.

    “People behave differently online because there’s no repercussions or accountability. Whereas I’m saying, there can be.

    The Original article was posted by ABC and article can be found here: http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/briggs-calls-out-blackface-photo/7129830



    Edit: Alcohol is covered by drug forum as a substance so l believe this is a news article that is appropriately placed in the misc section of drug use. If there was a section on alcohol news then l would put it their but there isn't. Also please note the ABC is a news company in Australia.

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Comments

  1. Potter
    What does this have to do with drugs?
  2. Nosferatus
    To me this is about as racist as dressing in a toga, they're wearing costumes that accurately portray a given culture, not putting on a minstrel show, why is it automatically racist to acknowledge that people with skin darker than your own do, in fact, look different.
  3. Potter
    No, they are making a joke out of a people they systematically subjegated and attempted genocide against. It's totally cute when white people act black but when black people were black, the only thing they got was bullets and enslavement.

    Nos, you are great at drug advice but every time you get to politics you make an ass of yourself.
  4. Nosferatus
    I think that's a matter of opinion, but what leads you to believe that? Personally I don't think that a view I don't happen to agree with is fundamentally invalid.

    Anyway, how exactly are they making a joke of anyone? And again, the fact something bad happened to people who kind of look like you in the past doesn't mean no one is ever allowed to mention you in anything but the most sympathetic of terms.
  5. Emilita
    The individuals were drunk, and because this forum covers alcohol l assumed it would be suitable for the misc section of drug use.

    Nosferatus this is an incredibly racist thing to do in Australia and in no way can be compared to people wearing togas - they are making fun of aboriginal culture and it's a national disgrace.

    Further more l don't want to debate anyway and you can remove the article l put up if you want too - l have no problem but to understand the racial undertones that true Indigenous Australians suffer you would have to also understand the culture of alcohol and how it is perceived by white Australians. I guess it's hard to explain over a forum...google it. You might find some interesting information.
  6. Nosferatus
    Australian Aborigines do/did traditionally dress like that, see.[​IMG] As long as it's an accurate representation I fail to see what the problem is.

    I think you're trying to say this is offensive because the guys were drinking while dressed as Aborigines and Aborigines are stereotyped as having alcohol problems, by that logic celebrating St. Patricks day is also incredibly offensive.
  7. Emilita
    Nosfoeratus - Australian white population systematically did what the Nazi did to the Jewish/gypsies/homosexuals except our country seems to have gotten away with it. Please google 'stolen generation' and read through the information.

    The individuals in the photo obviously were dressed like that to make fun of Aboriginal people, it was an Australian icon party - there were plenty of choices yet they dressed up as Aboriginals. I think until you are absorbed into Australia culture and witness the daily persecution that Aboriginals suffer you can't truely see the point that the article is making.

    It is irrelevant if they use to dress like that, no one does unless it is a special ceremony - that in itself is disrespectful because that attire is for special members of the Aboriginal community and the dance, ceremony ect is pasted down from one elder to another younger member of the family.

    You are free to think what you want but l just thought that no one seems to display much Australian news so l was making an effort to get information out and about for all to see. I love reading the news in other countries so l just thought l would contribute :)
  8. bluntwraps
    Terrible, but not surprising why they didn't "get it" about why it's wrong.

    More than blackface, my problem is with how people associate the blackness of a minstrel show (or modern day rap culture for the present equivalent) with the real life behavior and mannerisms of black people. Forever seen is a character not a full person.

    In the 20's there was a radio show called Amos n Andy which was a minstrel show of white people imitating the black stereotypes that lasted until it turned into a television show in the 1950's. With an all black cast, they played within the context of the stereotypes of blacks, the only representation of them television until Good Times came out in 1970's.

    I say all of this, because the types of depictions of black people in the past cemented them as jokes and solidified the idea of what it means to be black in a time when black Americans were trying desperately for a better life and opportunities.

    People who had never interacted with blacks got their knowledge of their culture and lifestyles through the media. If all the media depictions are negative, what would be the impression of of that culture to an outsider ?

    If all you know about Hispanics is that some of them enter the US illegally and participate in gang activity, how many of them would you be likely to view favorably?

    The issue of race, why people cannot separate individuals from prejudicial biases and race relations in general are fascinating to me. People feel uncomfortable talking about it, yet this chasm remains. There are a lot of recycled beliefs handed down from generation to generation and confronting activities and ideas you are complicit in that are part of the problem is a huge step a lot of people are not emotionally equipped to do.

    {Warning: black history lesson below; skip to maintain ignorance!!}

    Like those who don't understand why black people don't appreciate other races saying (or more specifically, referring to them as ) "nigger". In the context of history, the word "nigger" was a shorthand way of exerting power and subjugation over the slaves. No name or distinction from other slaves. Just "nigger". As in only white people calling only those black people that word while exerting total domination. It does not have any other historical implication in its use but that of subjugation and violence in that context.
    Slaves use of the word started among the divisions (slaves were assigned work based on skin tone; the light skinned slaves worked in the house and had easier jobs, the dark skinned slaves were in the field doing heavy labor). There were those that catered more to their masters and got better treatment and plantation overseers and masters created and maintained a discorded slave unit. This type of plantation politics has had a direct influence on the degrading of African American communities......
    The civil rights movement is when black use of the word really took off in popularity. The Black Power movement was about reclaiming an identity as a free black person with autonomy to really change their lives for the first time in American history. So they took the word nigger back. Reclaimed it, made it a source of pride and took away the negative association with it. In an attempt to shift the power of the word and lessen its sting. So that is why black people use the word amongst themselves.




    Knowledge is power. If you ever feel you have a fully formed opinion on something, consider if they are based in reality and facts or emotion. Explore topics deeply and seek out as much information as you can before forming judgements or opinions. Ignorance is no excuse for bigotry or prejudice to affect how you treat your fellow man.

    How many brown skinned people have ever done white face?

    [​IMG]
  9. bluntwraps
    Nos: the difference is people don't wear togas, they do however, wear brown and black skin everyday. I can guarantee not a lot of brown and black people get a laugh from looking in the mirror at the sight of their biological phenotype.

    The joke: haha funny brown people, aren't they so silly, all black and stuff???

    Why it's not funny: one would have to be at least a total idiot to think that someone's way of life (not a stereotype like your example of Irishmen) but a group of people's existence is comical entertainment. I doubt people with black family members or best friend's would do this to honor them.....so it's an insult.

    But what am I saying, racism isn't even that bad, right????
  10. Nosferatus
    Are Aborigines not part of Australian culture? Seems to me it fits the theme perfectly. How exactly is this making fun of their culture, it's not like the appearance is distorted for comic effect, looks like a spot on homage to me. Again, politics aside, what is wrong with dressing up in what is essentially a period costume?

    And you mean to say that white Australians put Aborigines in camps where the intention was to exploit them for labour and then deliberately execute them? Is that what you're saying?

    Bluntwraps: You posted a still from White Chicks now why is it just funny for two black guys to wear makeup that makes them look white? Can you imagine a major motion picture, in this day and age, with the opposite premise?

    Anyway I was fascinated by your explanation of the meaning of nigger, both historical and modern, but there's not really that much to it, the slave traders were almost entirely Portuguese, they called the slaves negro, Portuguese for black, when a person with a southern American accent says negro, it comes out sounding closer to nigra, which evolved into nigger, the word is only ugly because of it's incidental association with slavery, had the traders been French, would some variation of noir now be the basest of curses?

    Again I really don't see how this was intended to be funny, to me it looks like an accurate imitation of an aspect of Australian culture.
  11. Emilita
    I will refer you to a post l made a couple of days ago: https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281455

    Bluntwraps has some valid and wonderful points the main issue in Australia is racism toward aboriginal people by making fun of their entire culture, here is a horrible example of a joke said commonly around my area:

    You had the aboriginal stolen generation. Now we have the aboriginal stealing generation

    Due to how they are theated it is assumed they are all on welfare, live off the government, drink too much alcohol, smoke too much ice (meth), smoke too many bongs, have no respect for white people ect ect which isn't true.

    Look l've walked down the street of my hometown and looked at an Aboriginal person and been told the following 'wha ya lookin' at ya white Jesus cunt'

    Well l smiled and kept going on my way because jeez if an Aboriginal felt a need to say that to me can you imagine the internal/external pressure they feel just for being born Aboriginal. It's not fair!

    This article just goes to show how Australia's are perceived and racist fuckwits. Unless it's your culture don't appropriate it and no it's not wearing a costume its taking something that rightfully belongs to the Aboriginal culture and intergrating it into white Australia culture so you can be the 'funny cunt' at the party who has the best fancy dress.

    The outfit was done without respect for the past or future of the Aboriginal population - it is racist.
  12. Nosferatus
    ^^Really? You blame yourself for someone's racism and abuse toward you? I don't care what happened to someone or (more likely) their distant relatives, nothing gives you an excuse to be an asshole like that. Especially toward someone who shares, at most, a skin tone with the people who wronged you. If a person of a different race from mine did something bad to me I'd be wrong for being angry at all members of their race, but why is that mentality sometimes okay?
  13. Emilita
    I guess at the end of the day they were only words said as ammo to hurt me, but really they were hurting and felt the need to put someone down.

    When something like that happens you have sympathy for them because they are struggling - l would have only made the situation worse by my retaliation and mostly likely got a whooping from then individual too because it was late at night after the nightclubs.

    You can be angry and feel prejudice lm not against it. I only mentioned it because it was an eye opening experience and some of the facts were true: l do infant have a cunt, l am white, l was looking at them but lm not Jesus...as far as l know :laugh:

    My motto is if someone is unkind then be kind back - most of the time but words will only hurt if l let them.
  14. Nosferatus
    ^^Please don't put words in my mouth, nothing I have said is remotely prejudiced.

    That being said, the fact this person was drunk and hostile increased your sympathy for them? I'm sorry, I truly do not understand your worldview, if say you avoided engaging for your own safety, which appears to be a secondary motive, I would understand more, but if someone chooses to engage in an unprovoked attack, they are 100% at fault, having suffered past trauma does not give you an excuse to attack others.

    Now, do you really feel sympathy for this person? Or are you saying you do as an ego defense because you were afraid to engage them? There's nothing wrong with being afraid, no need to hide your motive, the safest way to deal with confrontation is to avoid it, if walking or running away is an option, it should be exercised, but that doesn't mean the hostile individual deserves your sympathy.
  15. Nosferatus
  16. Emilita
    Nosferatus lm so sorry l was smoking a joint when l wrote the prejudice thingy l was just thinking words and didn't really double check like l usually do.

    Um yeah so basically whoops in that regards and secondly my world view is just different and that's what makes me different and l like that personally.

    If someone feels a need to yell and say racist things to me personally lm not going to challange it cause l just don't care enough - they are only worlds said from an angry person. I'd bet that person had a rough day and just picked on a young while female because they felt like shit.

    At the end of the day....

    No l just got distracted off my point for too long. I have no idea what lm saying anymore but in summary l won't let words hurt me no matter who or where they come from.
  17. Nosferatus
    ^^And that's fine, sticks and stones right? I just don't understand why you didn't leave it at that perfectly reasonable point, why you instead chose to bring up how you felt sorry for the person who was going off on you for no reason whatsoever.
  18. soso
    Emilita it's ashame the one real life example of indigenous Australian was of a drunk racist verbally abusing a lone woman.
    It just goes to show racism works both ways, racists aren't all white.
  19. BehindBlueyes
    Nosferatus

    In the article you shared about white mans guilt Rita Hayworth was used by
    the author as an example He said he couldn't imagine her or fellow actor John Wayne
    ever suffering from white mans guilt. The thing is, she was born Margarita Carmen Cansino,
    a beautiful black haired latina!

    She talked about the humiliation she experienced at the studio, and how every effort was made
    to have her appear white. Her hairline was changed with hours of painful electrallis, they dyed
    her hair every week to red. She was tooo curvy, and her sexuality was problematic!!! In other
    words, not white! Hollywood magic worked, she is remembered as a beautiful, proud white movie star.
    It's a shame that her real heritage is forgotten. How ironic
  20. Nosferatus
    ^^That is absolutely true about Rita Hayworth, it's unfortunate that she had to do that to get ahead in her chosen field, but that's the time she lived in.
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