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  1. ellisd
    OTTAWA - The Conservative government is moving to ban a controversial street drug linked to the grisly attack in Florida in which an assailant chewed off a portion of a man's face.
    The government plans to regulate MDPV, a key ingredient in the drug known as "bath salts," Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq told a news conference Tuesday.
    "This action shows our government's commitment to protecting the health and safety of Canadians from this dangerous substance," Aglukkaq said.
    "This action helps give law enforcement the tools they need to keep our streets safe from this new and emerging drug that ruins lives and causes havoc in communities across the country."
    The drug, which resembles a harmless bath additive, has gained notoriety since the vicious May 26 attack in Miami, where police shot and killed a man who tore his victim's face apart with his teeth.
    It's not clear why 31-year-old Rudy Eugene — a man described by family as a sweet person who didn't drink much or use hard drugs — suddenly attacked Ronald Poppo, 65, alongside a busy highway, apparently without provocation.
    Surveillance video from a nearby building shows Eugene pulling Poppo from the shade, stripping and pummeling him before appearing to hunch over and then lie on top of him.
    A witness described Eugene ripping at Poppo's face with his mouth and growling at a Miami police officer, who shot and killed the attacker.
    Media reports suggest police and medical experts believe the bizarre attack was fuelled by MDPV, which police say is marketed as a form of ecstasy.
    Aglukkaq says the government intends to add the drug to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, placing it in the same category as heroin and cocaine.
    Once the changes are approved, activities such as possession, trafficking, possession for the purpose of trafficking, importation, exportation and production would be illegal unless authorized by regulation.
    Aglukkaq said the changes would also allow law enforcement agencies to take action against suspected illegal activities involving these substances.
    Experts say the drug mimics the effects of certain stimulants, causing agitation and increased heart rate and blood pressure — as well as paranoia, hallucinations and aggressive behaviour.


  1. ellisd
    The federal government intends to make methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV), a key ingredient in the street drug known as "bath salts," illegal.
    The white powder drug that contains MDPV and other ingredients is known to cause hallucinations, paranoia and violent behaviour.
    Bath salts may have played a role in a violent attack in Miami recently. Police in the Florida city say a man they killed because he was allegedly eating another man's face and refused to stop was exhibiting behaviour consistent with taking the drug. It has also been linked to other bizarre episodes and harmful incidents, according to police.
    The drug started popping up in Canada a few years ago. Users typically snort, smoke or inject the drug, and experience effects similar to the kind of high users get using amphetamines.
    A Nova Scotia man recently described to CBC News how the feeling he had after using the drug was scary even for an experienced drug user. He said he felt like killing himself, or someone else, and he ended up in hospital.
    Bath salts contain amphetamine-type stimulants including MDPV, which is currently not regulated under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. It is considered a synthetic cathinone, chemically similar to what occurs naturally in the khat plant.
    Synthetic cathinones are ingredients in some legal pharmaceuticals but no legal drugs containing MDPV have been approved for sale in Canada.
    Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq announced Tuesday that the government will list MDPV on Schedule 1 of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. That's the same category as heroin and cocaine, and regulating it will make possessing, trafficking, importing, exporting and producing MDPV illegal, unless authorized.
    "This will make it harder for people to deal in or even manufacture these so-called bath salts," Aglukkaq said at an event in Ottawa.
    "These are not typical household bath salts, they are not the Epsom salts or the scented crystals that you will find in many Canadian homes and pharmacies. These are drugs, serious drugs," she said.
    The public will have until July 10 to comment on the proposal to ban MDPV and the government says unless new evidence about the chemical comes to light, it will be illegal by this fall.
    The drug is already banned in the United States and other countries. It has been posing a challenge to law enforcement because as a synthetic product, drug-sniffing dogs and urine screening tests can miss it.
    It is also difficult to track down because the drug is being packaged and sold as an authentic consumer product with labels that describe it as real bath salts, plant food or insect repellant, and say "not for human consumption."
    Making MDPV illegal will give police the tools they need to get the products off the streets, Aglukkaq said.
    Frederiction's police chief, Barry MacKnight, who is vice-president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police and chair of its drug abuse committee, said Health Canada is taking an important step.
    "This is sending a strong message to Canadians and especially young Canadians that this drug is harmful," he said at the news conference.
    He said MDPV appears to be more prevalent in Atlantic Canada but there is wide concern across the country. MacKnight said the recreational use of the drug and its harmful effects first came on the radar of his association in late 2010 when he met with American counterparts.

  2. ellisd
  3. stryder09
    Not going to matter. MDPV isn't used regularly in 'legal high' and 'bath salt' products any longer. Other derivatives have replaced it. That's not to say it hasn't been totally eradicated.
  4. Doctor Who
    Just in case anyone wants to know, Some Other Still Legal Derivatives are... a-PBP, a-PVP, MDPBP, MDPPP & MPHP. Wonder how long it's gonna take them to catch on & outlaw All the derivatives?
  5. ellisd
    ^ Mephedrone has been on Health Canada's radar for a long time now but no action has been taken in legislation to ban it. Looks like MDPV is the first RC in a long time to be facing a ban in Canada and hopefully it stops there.
  6. stryder09
    Does Canada have some sort of analog language or act?
  7. Calliope
    The Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act criminalizes analogues of some controlled substances in its schedules (Phenylpiperidines, Phencyclidine, Fentanyls, Methamphetamine, Amphetamines.)

    It is a bit more complicated than that because those sections use language like "Phenylpiperidines, their intermediates, salts, derivatives and analogues and salts of intermediates, derivatives and analogues including: ....with a list of particular examples.

    The act defines an analogue as "a substance that, in relation to a controlled substance, has a substantially similar chemical structure"

    But there is no general analogue act.

    The Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act can be found on DF here:

    But it is disturbing to note that the current government in their great wisdom refused to sign the Vienna Declaration on global antidrug policy, objecting to its claim that “The evidence that law enforcement has failed to prevent the availability of illegal drugs, in communities where there is demand, is now unambiguous” and that this was done under PM Harper's watch, by Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq herself
  8. Dreamland
    ok SWIM has a question that's been on his mind for quite some time now. MDPV is a stimulant. based on reading others reviews online of MDPV (the active in bath salts) it seems like yea other's are reporting typical stimulant effects, the usual comedown, everything that resembles others stimulants like amphetamine or cocaine. however, SWIM keeps coming across these extremely bizarre stories and articles of how there's been a situation where someone did bath salts and saw all these fucked up hallucinations like a horror movie (funny it's alway seems like there the common "crowd of police agents" surrounding the individual), or the person's engaging in bizarre behavior like specifically slashing their throat (another common effect), or screwing a puppy dog, or masturbating in their own feces (now that's a fun one! j/k), and now this zombie eating attack. SWIM does agree that sure stimulants like coke and speed could make you paranoid and make one engage in aggressive behavior, but what SWIM's reading about these bath salts stories is beyond extreme that's it's almost seems like a people are almost laughing joking about it or it's something one could expect to see out of horror movie. SWIM wonders if these bath salts are cut with other unknown research chemical agents like some wicked hallucinogen or pcp derivative or freaky synthetic or who knows? but stimulants (such as MDPV) can make you do this kind of stuff? Sorry, it's been on SWIM's mind for awhile and he just had to ask and now would probably be the perfect time. shit's crazy.
  9. ellisd
    ^ IMO, I think the reports from the media is no different from the media hype. false propoganda, and the same fear mongering that was defiled by the press when they wanted LSD, Cannabis, and MDMA to be banned.

    When something tends to get out of control for the government, it seems like ALL sorts of stories start to emerge even if they are true or false.

    I'm pretty sure that the 'Miami face eating incident' has not yet been linked to be a result of 'bath salts' being involved, but the media will keep spinning it as it seems to be the right target, at this time, when shit gets crazy.

    I an definitely not an advocator of these 'Bath Salts' and certainly feel they should not be sold on the market with so many unknown chemicals not being identified on the packaged.

    Known RC's, and when used professionally, should not be much of a concern.
  10. hookedonhelping
    I for one can say that I am happy MDPV is not readily available in my country. I do not think it should be "illegal" whereas you face criminal charges if your in possession of it, that just makes things worse, but MDPV is a damn good time, that is no damn good for ones life. Sure, there are those that will disagree, but if it's readily available it's real easy for even a strong man to fall victim to it's seduction, and before you know it, a year passes you by and you have little to show for it. Not a good way to win.

    But in my humble opinion, theres no way in hell MDPV is related to this. I just don't see how one could go that far out of their element to do such a thing, irregardless of (alleged) stimulant psychosis, without some per-existing mental health issues.
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