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Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservatives

  1. Beenthere2Hippie
    The U.K. government is seeking to cost out the amount spent on treating obese people, drug addicts and alcoholics. One of the measures being considered is to reduce state support for people who fall within these groupings.

    Turning the concept of universal welfare on its head, David Cameron has a plan to reduce welfare payments for people who are above a certain weight or who have been identified as drug abusers or who are apparent alcoholics. This is because, the Conservative Party reasoning goes, that people so categorised as fat, drug takers or heavy drinkers, are unlikely to be in a position to secure employment. If the philosophy of welfare payments is to temporarily support people who have become unemployed in their quest to secure employment, then people who have fallen on very hard times and have entered a cycle of addiction need an incentive to overcome their problems.

    These incentives are set to be monetary. Ignoring the counter-argument about penalising those who need help the most and also statistics that align drug abuse with crime (and the possibility that those with less money but who are addicts will need to turn to crime more frequently), the Conservative government appear set to press ahead with the reforms.

    According to The Daily Telegraph, obese people could have welfare payments, which stand at around £100 ($150) per week reduced or even stopped completely if the people assessed by the state as overweight refuse or are unsuccessful in shedding pounds.

    In addition, there are an estimated 90,000 people who are in receipt of sickness incapacity benefit where the reason for the sickness is linked to drug addiction. The government is drawing up plans to halt payments to addicts as well.

    At the same time as proposing to restrict welfare, the government is attempting to produce meaningful statistics on the cost of obesity and drug addiction to the health service. Some figures put the cost of obesity at £5 billion ($8 billion); others argue that these costs are an underestimate.
    In a government statement, Prime Minister Cameron declared: “Our One Nation approach is about giving everyone the opportunity to improve their lives and for some that means dealing with those underlying health issues first and foremost.”

    This approach places the blame for obesity, drug addiction and alcoholism firmly at the door of the individual. However, according to The Guardian, there are many reasons for obesity, several of which are not ‘self-inflicted’. There are also a range of health conditions: “Being overweight is associated with increases in the risk of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, several types of cancers, and musculoskeletal conditions, and is also associated with poor mental health in adults, and stigma and bullying in childhood.”

    By Tim Sandle - Digital Journal/Aug. 6, 2015
    Photo: Edward Munoz, Reuters
    Newshawk Crew

    Author Bio

    BT2H is a retired news editor and writer from the NYC area who, for health reasons, retired to a southern US state early, and where BT2H continues to write and to post drug-related news to DF.


  1. frizz
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    But are they going to support people to get healthy/clean/sober? I was in the UK recently and this was all over the news. How can they just cut people off altogether?

    Fuck I'm glad I don't live there!
  2. Beenthere2Hippie
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    Seems the ultra conservative wing of the UK shows little difference in its attitude towards people in conflict (both mentally and physically) than does its close cousin, the US, where extreme conservatives here also--if they got their way--would limit or completely cut out funds for the peoples these politically right swinging groups see as exploiters of the system. It's just politics as usual.
  3. Alien Sex Fiend
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    How can they point out alcoholics and drug addicts? its a bit easier with obese people.

    Welfare workers often don't realize you can't afford to be a drug addict or even an alcoholic simply on welfare alone.
    I don't know how similar UK welfare system to Canadian welfare but here a person can't afford to drink every single day for the entire 30 days on welfare. The monthly paycheck is too little.
    So drug addicts must be thieves too?

    Where would obese people go? They can't lose weight for years, and they can't find a job already. What is the point of welfare then? Single moms?

    Why not come up with something like want to be on welfare? can't have kids! Here install this thing down there for free
  4. perro-salchicha614
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    What a great "incentive." It's like the jerk who calls his overweight girlfriend a fat pig, thinking it will motivate her to lose weight. Do these lawmakers realize how expensive it is to eat healthy? If you're on a tight budget, and you can get chicken nuggets and fries at McDonald's or spend 3 times as much for an organic, gluten-free, non-GMO salad, what are you going to choose? I went to this restaurant last week where they charged 13 dollars for a salad. A fucking salad! The sad thing is, it's not even a particularly expensive place for the area where I live.
  5. Alien Sex Fiend
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    It seems from personal perspective that majority of people on welfare in Toronto are

    1First generation immigrants/refugees seniors that don't speak much english and were brought here by their adult kids. Now they don't want to live together/can't afford to live together so seniors that were impoverished in their home country to begin with now on puny welfare till death

    They won't be able to do much otherwise

    2. 50 year old single men with mental illness thats still won't put them on Disability. Its next to impossible to get on Disability for mental condition here. They never got a degree, found a career, married, discovered internet. Some have criminal record and all smoke cigs like chimneys

    I wonder what is the majority of people on welfare in UK?
    Surely its not the addicts they try so hard to weed out
  6. detoxin momma
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    where i live,certain types of welfare require a drug screening.

    if you test positive you dont get the aid.

    but,youre kids still can.....

    so,even if cuts are made,when it comes down to it,the government can not control what the person decides to spend on.

    all this most likely will do is lower peoples amounts.

    you cant really hate on them for trying,but at the end of the day,the cost to determine whos an 'addict' will probably be the same as if the government just let them keep the welfare in the first place.
    some battles cant be won,and cost as much if not more to even try.

    besides,most likely an addict isnt going to change because they might lose welfare,they'll just settle for the lower amount.
    im looking at this from a parents perspective,not even touching on an adult on their own...

    but,you never know.maybe it would help people change.
  7. mrs.badger
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    Ask Florida. Under Governor Voldemort they instituted mandatory drug testing for all welfare recipients. About 1 percent of all tested came up positive. Meanwhile they wasted millions of tax payer dollars for nothing. But no matter, like strict voter ID laws to combat non-existent voter fraud; it SOUNDS good.
  8. Diverboone
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    The success of these programs can not be measure in the number of positive drug test. Positive test results do not account for deterrence. Many people opt to not sign up for these benefits knowing they can not pass a drug test. Which is the same reason many do not apply for certain jobs.

    I do not care who is using drugs, that's their business. But when they apply for benefits that are supported by the taxes I pay in then it become my business. Anyone asking to be supported by the taxes that are taken from me does not have the financial funds to be partaking in drug use.
  9. Healer
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    I think the obese population is getting a little forgotten here. You can't just point at a fat person and say you're fat because you eat too much. There is much more to it than that. What nonsense does it make to cut people from welfare because of their weight. Maybe they think the're hungry for the dollars themselves.
  10. 5-HT2A
    Re: Cut Welfare of Drug Addicts, Alcoholics, Obese Citizens, Urge British Conservativ

    This is disgraceful. Whether someone is obese, addicted to drugs or anything, damaging the welfare system that sustains them is a barbaric tactic that appeals to long-discredited addiction myths that should have been crushed decades ago.

    First of all, the government of the UK, by refusing to tax alcohol sales, does PLENTY to enable addiction on its own. Does the UK tax food and drink with high amounts of sugar? So let's not pretend any sort of real credibility is present here to begin with on the part of the government.

    Secondly, overeating, like other addictions, is often a natural adaptation to a painful environment. As the research has shown having dignity, security, social interaction, human connection etc. is a far better predictor of drug abuse than is having welfare or not.

    Thirdly, notice how this bullshit is recycled from the U.S. After criminal bankers crash the global economy and walk away with their 9 figure bonuses, the Republicans respond be demonizing their victims. So now we have to drug test welfare recipients because they're the real reason people are out of work and state budgets are constrained...obviously. The result? We piss away more money testing people than we saved by cutting off those who tested positive. Cruel and stupid to the highest degree.

    The state of things on both sides of the Atlantic is truly appalling in this matter.
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