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  1. jon-q
    NEW YORK (AP) - The American computer hacker who shook the Internet underground by becoming an FBI informant didn't just break the law on the Web: He also carried a gun and was involved in drug dealing.

    Court documents unsealed this week show that in exchange for his cooperation, federal prosecutors agreed not to prosecute hacker Hector Xavier Monsegur for a litany of other crimes he admitted committing over the years, including his attempted sale of a pound of marijuana in 2010 and another 4 pounds in 2003.

    They also agreed not to pursue charges for other crimes, including gun possession, purchasing stolen jewelry and electronics, running up $15,000 on a former employer's credit card and referring people seeking prescription pain pills to illegal drug suppliers. The court papers said Monsegur would also avoid prosecution for hacking into the website of an online casino.

    Monsegur, who was known on the Internet as a shadowy figure called "Sabu," signed the cooperation agreement on Aug. 15. By then, he had already been working closely with the FBI for two months, often pulling late hours exchanging messages with fellow hackers while federal agents watched.

    The 28-year-old New Yorker, who operated from a sixth-floor apartment in a dilapidated city housing project, has already pleaded guilty to a string of computer crimes, including conspiring with the "hacktivist" groups Anonymous, Internet Feds and Lulzsec, and breaking into the websites of media and Internet security companies.

    His cooperation with federal agents led to five arrests, announced this week, and the breakup of Lulzsec, a group he had helped create.

    Monsegur's deal with prosecutors could still leave him exposed to substantial jail time. The agreement, filed with the court in August but not made public until Friday, said he faced a minimum mandatory sentence of up to two years in jail, and more than 122 years in prison if a judge gave him the maximum punishment for every count.

    His extensive work with the FBI, however, makes a harsh sentence like that extremely unlikely.

    If Monsegur continues to work with the government, prosecutors agreed to dismiss many other charges against him, including allegations that he hacked into the computer systems at PayPal, Visa and Mastercard, attacked website sites operated by the governments of Tunisia, Yemen, Algeria and Zimbabwe, and was involved in cyber assaults that attempted to cripple the websites of several global media and entertainment companies.

    Lastly, the deal said that if Monsegur began fearing for his own safety, he might be enrolled in the federal witness protection program, and his "family and certain loved ones ... relocated under a new identity."

    "It is understood that the defendant's truthful cooperation with this office is likely to reveal activities of certain individuals who might use violence, force and intimidation against the defendant, his family and loved ones," the agreement said.

    Monsegur's lawyers have repeatedly declined requests for comment, and attempts to reach him have been unsuccessful.

    Ventura County Star 10th March 2012


  1. makin
    Its not always what you know. but who you know.

    Turned on his friends that he helped build an organization with, just to save his own butt. How does a guy live with himself when he knows that his friends won't get the same deal he gets. He gets caught and then trades his jail sentences to his friends and associates. Their lives are just as important and they desire freedom just as much.

    Informants are the bottom feeders of the world. Directly above the chicken shit lame ass cops that run them.
  2. Alfa
    Fact is that more than 90% of all arrested people do talk and roll. Probably even around 98%.
  3. Potter
    You live with your self by knowing that you aren't going to jail to get ass raped for the next ONE HUNDRED TWENTY TWO years, don't know what is so hard to imagine about that.

    Why would anyone expect THIS guy to have any loyalty? We are talking 4chan, not exactly the pinnacle of culture.
  4. makin
    Potter and Alpha forever the optimist's for the human experience.

    Potter I think it's only like 1 or 2 percent that actually get ass-raped in prison. So he just avoided being unhappy, lonely, mistreated and miserable for ONE HUNDRED TWENTY TWO years........
  5. CaptainTripps
    It would be interesting to get some hard statistics on this. Is this for all crimes? Just drug crimes? These numbers seem awfully high to me. Especially, when today many drug crimes do not carry enormously long sentences. Yes, I am very well aware of mandatory minimums, firearms enhancements, three strikes etc. But many drug dealers are looking at months behind bars, not decades. Hard to believe that people would sell out their friends and colleagues so readily.

    I know this guy named Doppelganger. When he was 17 years old he got busted for selling 2 pounds of pot to a state undercover cop. He was no "tough guy", and was absolutely terrified at the prospect of going to juvenile prison until he was 21. When they came and served the arrest warrant, he was so shaken up he could hardly even stand. On the way to the juvenile detention center, the cops asked him if he "wanted to sleep in his own bed tonight". They explained that if he was willing to cooperate they would turn the car around and no one would even know that he had been arrested. They were not asking him to make controlled buys or anything like that. Just enough info to get a search warrant for the supplier. They assured him that this would not come back on him. In a shaky voice he flatly told them no, that was not going to happen.

    When he refused the next step was to threaten him with being tried as an adult, where he would face up to 5 years in an adult prison with all sorts of dangerous offenders. He again declined to accept their offer. At his hearing to determine if he would be tried as an adult, the prosecutor characterized Doppelganger as a "highly sophisticated, young adult criminal", based on things like the amount of drug involved, that fact that he had several people working for him and the length of time they estimated that "criminal enterprise" had gone on. When the defense brought up the fact that Doppelganger was an honor student who had no disciplinary issues at his high school , the prosecution just turned it around and said that proved their point.

    Now the pressure would really begin with prison now being on the table. Still this scared kid, kept is integrity and kept his mouth shut. His mother would hire a good attorney and in exchange for a guilty plea, Doppelganger got a 2 year deferred sentence with 15 days in jail. He got lucky as it clearly could have been a lot worse. He also did not know he was going to get so little jail time until the words came out of the judges mouth.

    I am sure that this kid is not alone. I know many people who have been busted and based upon the sentences they received and the fact that everyone around them did not take a fall, it would seem that they did not roll over. Surely more than 2 to 10% of defendants are stand up people. I know that when I was growing up there was nothing worse than being an informant. Everyone swore that they would never talk, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time". In fact, Doppelganger would have a chance later in life to make big money doing large cocaine transactions. He decided that he would not do them as he felt that if caught he would not be able to "man up" and take a long prison term. So instead of putting others at risk he passed this opportunity up.

    If what Alfa says is accurate, this is even a sadder world than I thought it was. I feel very disillusioned at the moment. Sorry, if I strayed off topic.
  6. jon-q
    Considering some of the people this guy will have pissed off over the years, even before he began talking, it’s no surprise he chose to sing like a canary and subsequently get a witness protection deal.

    I guess he really will eventually become “Anonymous” after all…

    Even at the odds of 1-2 per 100 this is reason to roll, have you any idea how many people pass through a prison in 122 years? Lol…

    No doubt there will be a lot more fallout resulting from his cooperation.

  7. nitehowler
    This witness protection crap for these putrid mutts sucks.
    In New South Wales Australia witness protection and reduced sentencing for rolling on your buddies has recently become non existent. This was due to many informants giving misleading statements, trying to set innocent people up with bum wraps.

    Informants are spineless maggots.

    They will always be looking over their shoulders and their families because one day
    karma will catch them when least expected.

    Imagine burdening your relatives for the rest of their lives. How could someone lower themselves to the extent that six foot underground is more than they deserve.
  8. rejectedbysociety
    that sounds like some bs the cops say trying to get you to talk

    the number's high, maybe a third to a half of the people I did time with were snitches, but you can never tell who's gonna roll, you can tell by doing time with them some who will, and the ones who don't mind being there aren't going to roll, but it could be the biggest baddest person in the jail running his mouth in on a chester charge, and then the guy getting punked will hold you down. I'd say more probably give interviews while they're freaked out and coming down, thinking they can talk their way out of it without telling on anyone and a little hint slips out, where they know, but can't act on it, but that's different from setting people up, depending on how much they say, if you don't implicate anyone of a crime that's what matters
  9. Alfa
    While there is a difference between talking, confessing, implicating and snitching, its my experience that if you actually read court documents & police reports, you get a very different view of people, than by the way people represent themselves.
    I once read the court documents, which included the police report of isolated interrogation of each of the 49 suspects. 48 of them talked. Some a bit. Some sang like a canary. All of the suspects were released and once on the streets they all did the 'informants are spineless maggots' act. This discovery left me wondering if this bizarre % is common or not. I started to ask around and whereever I asked, I got confirmation that its an extreme rarity that people are actually able to keep silent. Most court documents I have read confirm this.
    So 98% is not a scientifically proven number and may be well be off to some degree, a high % in that neighborhood is very common.
  10. CaptainTripps
    Thank you for explaining where you got your numbers. It is quite enlightening. I do think you are correct in that there are differences in the kind of "talking" people do. I would say almost everyone who is accused of a crime has some kind of conversation with the police. Usually, in some kind of attempt to find out just what kind of evidence the police have against them.

    In fact Doppelganger upon being told by the detectives that he was being placed under arrest for delivery of a controlled substance, the first words out of his mouth were an indignant "to who?'. Then one of the detectives said, "to me". He did not remember doing this so kept asking questions about the details of this supposed transaction. After awhile the detective looked at him and said, "you really don't remember this do you?' Doppelganger then realized that he needed to be very careful about anything he said, as it did not look good that he could not even remember this particular transaction which had only happened a couple of months before. You would think the selling of 2 pounds of pot would be somewhat memorable, unless this was a very common occurrence.

    While it is hard to argue with interviews done at the station where they are taped and recorded, I would be very skeptical of police reports by officers in the form of arrest reports, especially when only one police officer is there at the scene, like in the case of a traffic stop. Because cops can and do lie. One of my first experiences with this was when a friend got pulled over after work at a bar by a Washington State Patrolman. He was driving his sisters car, when the officer asked if he could search, he said" sure". He did not have any drugs on him, or so he thought . The officer found some "crisscross" speed. When he got out on bail, we had a long talk about this as he wanted my advice as to what to do. He had no reason to lie to me. He said when the speed was found and the officer asked him if it was his, he stated he had never seen it before

    He said he was going to fight it as it was not his, this I actually knew to be true as it was his sisters. She even admitted as much to me. But he was not going to sell her out and she was not going to step forward and take the wrap. It then came out the the officer said that my friend admitted it was his and said he took it as he worked late. Even though he was offered a good plea deal, he insisted on going to trial as he was not going to plead guilty to something he did not do. Of course he was convicted.

    Now I know what you are thinking, either isolated incident or maybe the guy really did say what the officer said for some unknown reason. But as time went on other people I knew would be arrested for things, some first timers, some experienced felons. One thing that kept creeping up was that it seemed everyone had confessed to the arresting officer. In most of these cases the person arrested told me that the cops had made this crap up. I know a criminal defense lawyer who does a lot of drug cases, he told me that it is a well know fact that cops lie all the time on police reports. In fact he looks for cases where he knows the cops lied,. as prosecutors are reluctant to have cops perjure themselves on the stand. Much easier to get a good plea deal. There have been reports in the local media of cops lying on police reports.

    That being said I do know that in one local jurisdiction they have a 3 for 1 policy. Get busted for drug sales, agree to make three controlled buys and get off. As a "selling point" the cops tell people that the "friends" they set up will be offered a similar deal. It is my understanding that this has been a very effective strategy. It has led to major drug busts and seizures. It has also created an atmosphere of mistrust and fear, that has probably done more to effect drug sales than the actual busts themselves.

    It will be interesting to see what effects it will have on a society, when it rewards people for selling each other out. Creating a value system where everyone is in it for themselves. Where no one can trust their neighbor. Where loyalty is discouraged. If America is ever invaded, the invaders will likely find a nation of willing collaborators.
  11. Mr. Mojo Risin
    Lulzsec should've been smart and kept their nose out of this stuff. The more I read about them the more I realize they had little to no clue what they were doing. I mean "Sabu" was revealed to be Monsegur by some other hackers back in June or July. The reason? They were offended by the script kiddies (amateurs) getting too much publicity for nothing. Keep in mind I'm even less of a hacker than lulzsec was/is I couldn't do anything like that to save my life so I don't mess around with it and try and act big.

    Also, it's no surprise he rolled over. He's a wannabe hacker with a kid. I doubt he'd do very well in prison. As has been said: a lot of people, tougher people than him turn rat.
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