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Friends recall 'terrifying' experience after trying imitation pot

By leyesnvideo, Oct 26, 2010 | Updated: Oct 26, 2010 | | |
  1. leyesnvideo
    Cary, N.C. — Daniel Carr, 23, remembers the night his heart began racing uncontrollably. Nearby, his 18-year-old friend Austin Walker experienced similar symptoms, started hallucinating and collapsed on the ground.

    The friends were rushed to a hospital after smoking an herbal incense known as K2, and now they want to warn others about the dangers.

    “It was possibly the most terrifying experience I’ve ever had,” said Carr.

    “It was the worst thing I’ve ever experienced,” added Walker, who says he nearly died.

    The friends were at Carr’s parents’ house in Cary last month when they decided to try K2, an herbal product known as man-made marijuana or legal pot, which is legal in North Carolina.

    “It’s just an herbal product, so they didn’t see any harm in it, and what happened the rest of the night was a nightmare for everybody,” said Cindy Carr, Daniel’s mother.

    Tim Carr held his son’s friend after the teen collapsed near the back deck.

    “I had to literally sit with him and hold tight. I mean, he was so tense, you know. It was almost cutting off my circulation,” Tim Carr said.

    The Carr family said they don’t want this to happen to anyone else.

    The K2 product goes by various names, including spice and black mamba, and is sold at several area smoke shops and convenience stores. It has similar properties to the THC in marijuana and comes with a disclaimer: “Not for human consumption.”

    A local couple, who did not want to be identified, said they and many of their friends have smoked K2. One of those friends was rushed to Rex Hospital and died Saturday night, they said.

    “It basically feels like your heart is beating 10 million miles an hour,” said the anonymous couple. “I would say out of the 20 people (whom) I talked to since 7:30 yesterday, 17 had said that they had tried it or one of their friends had tried it.”

    Those who've had frightening experiences with the product are urging lawmakers to take a closer look, and some lawmakers have already talked about banning the product.

    “It should not be (legal), absolutely not. It boggles my mind that it still is,” Carr said. “This is far deadlier than anything that I have ever experienced.”

    WRALNews tried to get a response Sunday night from a shop owner who sells K2. The man, who did not want to be identified, said he has heard too many bad things about K2 and is pulling it from his shelves.

    John Huffman, a Clemson University chemist who developed the product while doing pharmaceutical research, said last month that the research did not shed any light on the safety of the product and that he is not responsible for its recreational use.

    24th October 2010
    By Beau Minnick
    Available at: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/8503018/

    I love how they put in a COMPLETELY unsubstantiated death into this article. Journalism these days just baffles me.


  1. Yail Bloor
    Normally I'd probably rant about how this is total bullshit. I'd probably note the boy's claim that he nearly died is totally with out medical backup. I would also make the point that an alleged death reported by an anonymous source is hardly factual information. I would question the statement “This is far deadlier than anything that I have ever experienced.” and ask just what is everything this person has experienced, before making some comment about uneducated people not being allowed to be quoted by the media. I'd bitch about the state of the world briefly, about human ignorance, and societies short-commings. I'd likely fake awe and indignation that the media is allowed to spew this kind of demented swill, and probably end my post with some kind of remark along the lines of 'no wonder marijuana is still illegal', or draw some comparison with alcohol.

    But I'm not going to do any of that. No sir, not today.
  2. Moving Pictures
    Lol, yail.

    The only thing I really want to comment on is this:

    At least the article didn't say "...added Walker, who nearly died." I've seen articles where such things have been said. I think making a claim that a drug is deadly without proof is bad reporting. Anyway, I think the proper way to report the boy's claim should have been "...added Walker, who felt he was going to die.". What happened to him was a panic-attack, not a near death experience.

    Oh well. Perhaps that particular paper is looking for an editor. I could use a real job.
  3. rapax
    everyone "nearly dies" during a synthetic cannabinoid fueled up panic attack.
    hell. even people who dont smoke cannabinomimetics feel like they "nearly die" during a panic attack.
    unless the boy was recovered and organ failure (or something as serious) was reported, he obviusly didnt die. nearly or farly. (ghehehe.)

    "This is far deadlier than anything that I have ever experienced"

    he was good enough to be interviewed about the horrible dangers of synthetic cannabinoids tho. i wonder what smell stronger, jwh-018 or money?
  4. Pringles
    This is a bad experience report with many unanswered questions.
    Including the motivations of the reporter. Its always the negative aspects of drug use that get media attention. Of course if something is harming people that information should be spread around.
    But is it because they are concerned for peoples welfare or the fact that it sells ?

    The fact is some people will have adverse reactions to drugs, legal or not.
    That drug is not for them & hopefully they wont ingest it again.

    Just how much of it was ingested i wonder. If reported adverse reactions gave more detail people would have more faith in said reports & not discount them.

    That would be harm reduction. No one has to be pro drug use, thats their choice. But at least the reports should be accurate.

    My friend says he would be cautious of any new substance. Loading up a big fat one & smoking it might make him very sorry & teach him a lesson but it is better not to learn the hard way.
  5. EscapeDummy
    not just synthetic, any cannabinoid panic attack makes that happen. Swim felt like his heart was about to beat out of his chest on plain old weed before.
  6. mickey_bee
    Swim's had severe heart beats and associated concerns when he used to use cannabis. Essentially, it can be a really pretty far-out experience, and as with all such experience, can easily go wrong if the user is inexperienced or foolish.

    Most likely these 2 boys are a) lieing/exaggerating so as to make money or otherwise fulfill some sort of agenda - either their own or their parents', or b) had got to the ages of 18 and 23 without ever experiencing any sort of obvious altered state of consciousness.

    It's quite easy to freak out if your entire life as you've known it is suddenly dramatically altered, and the person you're with is exactly the same - no doubt if an experienced tripped had been the older brother, everything would have been fine.

    That is of course, if anything actually happened....
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