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  1. chillinwill
    WARNING – There’s a new ‘legal high’ to replace Mephedrone.

    While many of us are aware from the recent news that Mephedrone has been made illegal under the misuse of drugs act, not many of us realise that there are lots of these ‘legal highs’ still in the same shops but with much greater dangers and uncertainties than the chemicals already banned.

    The most worrying chemical is Prolintane, also known Larocaine or Dimethocaine.

    Politaine (1 Alpha Propylphenethyl) has been hitting the London night club scene as an alternative to ecstasy or cocaine. Being a stimulant this can cause heart palpitations’ heart attacks, extreme psychosis and paranoia.

    This activity is all because of loopholes in the law. Once a drug is banned then the clever (greedy) people change the chemical compound by just a fraction, then you have a new chemical that is not listed in the misuse of drugs act, then call it plant food so it does not have to be included in the medicines act then you have a new drug that gives the majority of the effect. In other words you can’t ban tripping.

    In March the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA) advised all countries in Europe to control the use of BZP (active ingredient in many legal highs) within one year, but it seems that our great leaders have fallen behind the rest of Europe on this matter.

    Even the name ‘legal high’ is wrong, in my mind this sends out the wrong message to children, just because it is legal it does not mean to say it won’t kill you and this is the truth about these drugs.

    It is our duty as parents to teach our children the truth about these drugs and the dangers of ‘legal highs’ because the government sends out all sorts of wrong signals, even ignoring the advice of advisory councils

    There is obviously a need in people to alter their frame of mind and whether it be a glass of wine with friends, a pint with the lads or even a little spliff when in Holland, it can be nice but let’s be real, all in moderation.

    Remember Asda and Tesco have been selling cheap ‘legal highs’ in cans and bottles for many years now.

    Nigel Jones
    May 5, 2010
    The Economic Voice


  1. Paradox
    Psh, we forgot that 40 years ago. Ban everything that could hurt 'em, sit 'em in front of the TV and give them video games. That'll shut 'em up and keep 'em out of trouble. What? Darned kids still have no discipline? Not your fault, they must be sick! Here, give them this magic pill every day and they'll shut up and do their work.

    Hmm, now they're ranting about pink Christina Aguilara monsters. I guess the kid's schizophrenic. Better give him this other pill. That'll shut him u...erm, make him better!

    That sentence is the only breath of truth in the entire article.

    SWIM's lucky that he had good parents who taught him right from wrong, and actually took the time out of their own lives to be parents. With some of the parents his friends had, he's surprised they didn't turn to drugs.
  2. Snouter Fancier
    What is "The Economic Voice" and why is it hiring idiots to write its copy? Dimethocaine is about as likely to cause "heart attacks, extreme psychosis and paranoia" as a couple of cups of coffee. It's very mild stuff.

    This is why people don't trust journalists. They're eager to rush into print with the Outrage of the Day, but can't be bothered to do adequate background research. :mad::mad::mad:
  3. Paradoxical Frog
    To be fair, despite the fact that the quality of the writing is pretty terrible for professional journalism, it's quite encouraging to see stuff like this part being written about re: the mephedrone and legal highs fiasco..

    To me it's good that he acknowledges the fact that people want to alter their conciousness. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years, for spiritual and recreational reasons, and at least the author doesn't appear to be condemning this. If anything Id say this is one of the better articles at the moment, despite the rather emotional outrage beginning. As usual, the good stuff is hidden towards the end, long after most casual readers have stopped reading and already formed an opinion!!
  4. give me substance
    if alcohol had been invented this year then it surely would have been made illegal, probably on the back of a media campaign
  5. Lolterzard
    SWIY is wrong.
    The dosage of Dimethocaine is round 100 mg and more (the dosage higher than cocaine).
    It is local anesthetic, and like all of them can stop heart to beat,
    if the route of administration permits it go fast into blood (intranasally will suffice). It is local anesthetic effect that kills, not stimulant one.
  7. Quiet Man
    [a response to Nigel Jones' article]

    WARNING: there's a new form of journalism to replace traditional investigative reportage:

    It's called 'misinformation'.

    It's been hitting the Wapping and Canary Wharf newspaper 'scene' as an alternative to 'fact-based, objective writing'.
    This activity is all because of a legal 'drop-in-sales loop' which reciprocates in the following manner:

    1. A lucrative 'misinformation item' (a recent example being 'paedophilia'), having moved the readership from an initial (and lucrative) 'hysteria' to a mere 'waning interest' leads to a significant drop in publication sales.

    2. A similar 'misinformation item' is then hastily concocted; preferably one that can drum up readership 'outrage' by deploying constant, needless references to "our children" (a recent example being 'mephedrone'). Sales begin to climb again, and an alleged nation-wide mood of 'hysteria' is re-established...

    ...on the scene, this is known as 're-dosing'.

    Such wholesale assimilation of anecdotal evidence masquerading as fact, surely, sends out the wrong message to our youth (some of whom can be seen 'topless' in the scene's most popular tabloid publications).

    Remember, Asda and Tesco have been selling cheap 'misinformation' publications for many years now.
  8. Snouter Fancier
    My rhinograde has tried dimethocaine doses up to 300 mg. He couldn't tell the difference between 50 mg and 300 mg. His heart did not stop beating.

    I frequently see postings that local anesthetics like dimethocaine can be cardiotoxic. Yes, they can, at insanely high doses. But anything can be deadly at insanely high doses.

    Can you present any evidence that dimethocaine or any other available RC local anesthetic is cardiotoxic at reasonable doses?

    Local anesthetics do have toxicity, but it's usually CNS, not cardiac. That is, the patient (because this is usually due to a medical error) dies of intractable seizures long before they have any serious cardiac effects.

    And I haven't heard of anyone dying of status epilepiticus after doing dimethocaine, either.
  9. Greenport
    I stopped reading after it said Prolintane and Dimethocaine were the same chemical.

    People need to get their facts right if they're gonna write a news article, because other less-educated people will read it and believe every single word. And if their word ain't correct or true, well then they're just spreading mis-information, and everyone's gonna buy into it -_- The author obviously has a heavy bias against these sorts of drugs and that comes out in the article. And to an extent that's acceptable, if his facts were right.
  10. Suboxer
    That dimethocaine molecule has some striking similarities to carisoprodol.

    Oh, designer drugs will always be out there. The government will have to ban the effects of drugs to well and truly ban them, not that I'd disagree with a ban on anything with hallucinogenic effects, except on purely Libertarian grounds. You have a right to do what you want to do, as long as it interferes in no way with me. If such drugs would be legalized, there should also be a law on the books allowing summary execution of anyone who would dose another person for whatever reason - also, on purely Libertarian grounds.
  11. Greenport
    SwiM's with ya on that. Nobody and I mean nobody should be purposely dosed on any drug by another human. It should be up to us and us alone what goes in our bodies. Not the government's, not the FDA's, and not anybody else's.

    Granted SwiM doesn't think we should execute anybody who does this, but they should be punished according to sensible policies.
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