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German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fire

By Alfa, Dec 15, 2008 | Updated: Dec 15, 2008 | | |
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  1. Alfa
    The German laboratory THC-Pharm (in contract of the Frankfurt government) and a Austrian government lab have been working to find the active compounds in the following brands of incense and smoking blends:

    Spice Artic Synergy
    Spice Tropical Synergy
    Zohai
    Sense
    Genie
    Smoke
    Yucatan Fire

    In all these product the synthetic cannabinoids JWH-018 and related compounds have been found (in different amounts)

    The products Spice Gold, Spice Silver and Spice Diamond did not test positive for the presence of JWH-018 and related cannabinoids.

    The German government is now going to review whether or not to ban these products, and how they will do so.
    JWH-018 and related compounds are illegal in Canada and USA, under their analog laws.

    The product spice has been available trough webshops and headshops since 2004. The lab results come after the product Spice was in the German and Austrian media on a daily basis since august. The media hyped the product as a trendy drug for young people. This has lead to a demand greater as the producer Psyche Deli could supply. German stores have been sold out since months.

Comments

  1. fnord
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    Is a source availible? Is the purity of the JWH-018 in question? I recall fubar wondering about the purity of the commercial available JWH-018. Would any of the other JWH's show up? or could the remaing spices have a different compound in them
  2. Alfa
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    There is one source with very low quality of JWH. But the analysis did not mention anything about this. The remaining spices do not seem to have JWH in them.
    The source is a press conference that was held today with a DF member present. There is a press release available in German, which misses a lot of the info available in the press conference. The media articles coming from this are as scattered in information as one can expect the media to be when it comes to research chemicals.
  3. RaverHippie
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    very interesting, I always wondered how anything could be substituted so successfully for marijuana.
  4. RoboCodeine7610
  5. Abrad
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    Yeah. See here.
  6. fnord
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    Are you refering to just JWH-018? Or would all JWH compounds be included, quite a few of them have been synthed and are on the market would all show up in the tests thaty were run? or is it selective for only 018?

    translations please!

    1. ^ Gefährlicher Kick mit Spice (German)
    2. ^ Erstmals Bestandteile der Modedroge „Spice“ nachgewiesen (German)
    3. ^ Spice enthält chemischen Wirkstoff (German)
  7. Alfa
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    If they can identify JWH-018, they can identify other JWH compounds as well.
  8. teddybearpicnics
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    This is an intresting find...What is the deal with this, Was it being advertised as a smokable incense? The smoking blend okay swim understands, smoke this blend, get high. But incense?

    .teddy
  9. fnord
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    Alot of places advertizes things like this or salvia/kratom/whatevr as incense so they can avoid laws regarding human consumption. Most users report effects equel/mimicing those of marijuana,the sad part is (at least in the USA) that the cost of spice is equel to that of a nice bag of pot.
  10. Triple7
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    Force is with Triple7. Theory of material on leaves wasn't bad at all.

    Synthetic or not, it is hard to replace the real stuff.
  11. Pondlife
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    This confirms what many people have suspected: at least some of the spice product contain RCs, and are not just herbal blends as their marketing literature suggests.

    I can understand why it's difficult for the manufacturer to be totally open about the formula, but to imply that it's a herbal mix when in fact it contains an RC is quite misleading IMO.
  12. Burnt
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    Wow that was quite a good scam that company ran. Either way they deserve to be shut down for lieing to people about what is in their product. As synthetic cannabinoids can be much much more potent then THC and can potentially be dangerous as little is still known about them.
  13. Alfa
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    This concerns quite a few companies.
    The original spice brands do not contain JWH-018.
    Smoke, Sense, Zohai have been around for a few years and are all from different companies. The spice synergy blends, Genie and Yucatan fire have only recently been released.

    Now that it is clear that these blends are not herbal they will probably be banned very quickly. In Holland this normally takes a few weeks to happen, as was the case with explosion. I am not sure how fast other countries will act. Germany and Austria will likely ban quite fast. I do not think that governments will tolerate THC analogs being legally available in probably many thousands of shops.

    If I remember correctly we have research about JWH in the file archive: Cannabinoids
  14. Nacumen
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    I've been out of the loop for a while, but because Spice is not meant for human consumption, the article would be incorrect when it states that it is illegal in the United States under its analogue laws, unless its referring to a law other than the Federal Analogue Act. Spice would only be illegal if smoked/eaten/etc., not if possessed.
  15. Alfa
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    Most of these blends state they are for smoking.
    There is a video interview on here somewhere with a DEA spokesman that says that they do consider any compound with similar effects as controlled substances a analog. That statement would probably need to be proved in court, but as an statement by the DEA, I would not dare to try that one out. Especially not in this case.
  16. cosmicruler
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    very interesting....but of course this was only a matter of time IMHO !!!!
  17. Cuberun
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    no wonder donk got so stoned. like swim said, he really didn't think it was the actual "herb" that was getting him high. to him it looked like any generic tea or something. it didn't make that much sense. now it does.
  18. Synesthesiac
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    I know that these are synthetic substances, but is there any chance that they are produced in nature aswell? So the companies in question have merely found a way to use this natural type? I'm sure its turned out that a few synthetic substances have been discovered in nature aswell as being synthesised.

    Theres a lot of other synthetic cannabinoids that could be used, one that was invented in 2005 swim is going to be testing out in a while. But if what was put in spice was synthesised in a lab as an RC, they will probably have a long court case on their hands, and a lot of angry customers.
  19. Triple7
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    SWIM was recently in Amsterdam and there they sold explotion openly inside a coffee shop. They had nothing to hide.

    We have JWH, CP and what else??? I think there are a few more.
  20. humdroid
    Re: German laboratory cracks secret of Spice, Zohai, Sense, Smoke, Genie, Yucatan fir

    Notbob was a prolific stoner.
    He wasn't proud of this, and many a time, embarrassed himself at dinner parties, when a spliff was passed around.
    He smoked the lot.
    Not to mention, the teaparty where there was a plate of space cakes, poor old Notbob, ate the lot.
    Oh, he enjoyed the cakes, and the stone. He repaid the host with a bag of weed, but he was so sad, because he could not seem to stop smoking, or injesting the 'bis.
    He cried and cried, on the days he had none, he couldnt help it.
    Tears just poured out.

    Then along came the alternative smoke blends.
    Notbob tried a few, and was elated, something to enjoy, which was not the 'bis.
    He could burn a nice relaxing insence, and have nothing to do with that dreaded green stuff, he had been such a slave to.

    Notbob, could say, for the first time in his life, 'I am not a weedo'
    but now...................:( ???
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