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  1. Lunar Loops
    This from the RTE News website:

    Girl died after taking ecstasy: Inquest

    Tuesday, 1 July 2008

    An inquest into the death of a 15-year-old Belfast girl in Co Donegal last July found she died as a result of taking ecstasy.
    Ashling McVeigh was the youngest in a group of eight teenagers who took a bus from Belfast to Bundoran on 14 July 2007.
    They had brought a large amount of alcohol with them and booked a holiday flat in Ballintra.

    The group started drinking when they arrived in the flat around 1pm. Ashling was drinking cider and champagne and took ecstasy tablets, the inquest was told.

    Statements from some of the teenagers who were with her described how Ashling began acting strangely - talking in different accents and hallucinating.

    The inquest jury in Donegal town heard that Ashling thought she was going to be killed by a horse. One of the girls tried to calm her, but said Ashling stopped breathing.

    The teenagers panicked and were afraid they would be blamed, the inquest was told.

    The group walked to Ballyshannon and got a taxi to Bundoran where they decided to say that Ashling had gone to bed feeling ill before they went out, and came back to find her dead.

    Later they told the truth and a toxicology report found a large amount of ecstasy in her body.

    The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical evidence that Ashling's death was ecstasy related.

    Coroner Dr Dermot Hegarty warned that such deaths were happening with greater frequency.


Comments

  1. enquirewithin
    What a useless report. Do they mean that she died from 'rapturous delight' or from some pills sold as 'ecstasy'? Interesting about the horse, however.
  2. Bajeda
    Bad idea....



    Argh! I want to see this toxicology report. What the hell did they find? They detected large quantities of ecstasy, O rly? And what is the chemical formula for that?


    "And he bases this on absolutely nothing." (what they should say).



    I wouldn't mind news reports like this if they actually gave some useful information, such as why she actually died while her friends were fine. How much alcohol did she drink, what were in the pills? Never anything useful in these things.
  3. Coconut
    LULZ2O

    The girl was most likely absolutely wasted on alcohol. Irish teenagers are notorious for simply gorging on drink until they pass out. Throw ecstasy into the mix and no wonder something bad happens. Morons.

    The jury were probably fans of the "drugs are bad" mantra; not knowing any better than what the state tells them.
  4. ShawnD
    This is the unfortunate part, and it happens too often. A girl needs immediate medical help, but her friends can't tell anyone what's wrong with her, and that's if they risk calling for help in the first place.

    What would be even worse was if the girl's symptoms had nothing to do with drugs or alcohol, and the only reason she died was because nobody called for help, because they were afraid of being thrown in jail.
  5. Stiney
    If you really are interested in seeing the report start here http://www.foi.gov.ie/how-do-i-make-an-foi-request

    I always wondered about these tox screens myself and what exactly they test for. I know that the forensics arm of the Gardai, when they are sent pills to test, only ever report back on wether the pills contain MDMA or not, at least thats what I always presumed as I have seen a couple of dozen of these forensic reports over the years and they always only state "3,4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine was present" they never mention any other chemicals at all. So presumably either MDxx is all they test for or Ireland just happens to have had nothing but 100% pure MDMA ecstacy pills in circulation for the last ten years or so.
  6. stoneinfocus
    Swim says, he wouldnt be surprised if the governmential forces and christians poisened her and then blamed extasy -they did the same with alcohol, during prohibition.

    With RCs one wouldn´t need the church anymore.
  7. ShawnD
    According to a registered nurse I know, generic drug tests in a hospital only check for alcohol, Tylenol, and barbiturates. If they have reason to suspect something else, they can test for that on request. That's on the medical side of things.

    When it comes to analytical chemistry (my field), there is no test that checks for all drugs. This isn't like CSI where you get an IR spectrum and say "oh it contains this, this, and this". We figure out what is in things by testing a standard, then testing a sample, and seeing if the sample matches that standard. Since testing requires the use of very expensive drug standards, a lab will only check for specific drugs. You can send a sample away and say "tell me if it contains X, Y, or Z" but you can't really say "here's a sample, tell me every single drug, venom, pesticide, and herbicide in it". It's possible for a lab to test all of that, but it would take so much time and money that it just isn't practical.

    In the example you gave where you get a result "sample contains MDMA", the lab is only replying back to what was requested. Does it contain MDMA? Yes it does. Did it also contain meth and cat poop? We don't know, we didn't check.
  8. stoneinfocus
    What is this general wiping test made of, which tests amphetamines, cocaine and opiates?

    Is there a way to trick it, like can it distinguish between a primary and secondery amine or an ammonium, if you say, you had ingested plain phenethylamine, could they distinguish it form other PEAs, if they don't know which one one took?I bet, if they were looking more closely, they have a chart of common substances of abuse and can check the peaks, right?

    I assume the initial test-strips, it´s an anitbody test-kit, which reacts on certain functional groups, right?
    Sorry, for being off-topic.
  9. ShawnD
    I don't specifically know how these tests work, but they can be tricked either by a chemical that reacts with the wipe itself, or a chemical that destroys what is being tested. Examples: luminol makes blood glow, but it can be masked by bleach because luminol also makes bleach glow. If the entire kitchen floor is glowing, is it more likely that blood was everywhere, or did the test fail? It failed. Bleach also destroys DNA, so that masks DNA tests.

    You might need to google around to see how certain drugs can be destroyed, then use a chemical that fits that description. Some key words to check for any given drug would be "acid", "base", "oxidize", "oxidation", "reduction", "decomposition".
    -ordinary bleach and 10% hydrogen peroxide are both very strong oxidizing agents (bleach in particular loves to destroy nitrogen compounds)
    -"Muriatic Acid" from a hardware store is a strong acid
    -"Red Devil Lye" and "Drano" are strong bases

    Apparently amphetamines can be destroyed with bleach:
    http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/SiteCleanup/ERP/upload/SMBRB_MEMO_Prelim_Analysis.pdf
    "Ultra Clorox Bleach® - 90% Breakdown [of amphetamine]"

    Lots of drugs show up as being the same thing. A "false positive" doesn't mean someone screwed up the test; it means the test worked, but it detected something and thought it was something else.
    http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/false-positives.htm
    I know that's a questionable source of info since they're trying to sell something, but it's still worth reading.
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