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  1. Terrapinzflyer
    [imgl=white]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17923&stc=1&d=1290009126[/imgl]Washington • Sen. Orrin Hatch is asking the Drug Enforcement Administration to make a popular marijuana substitute called “spice” a controlled substance after several states and Utah communities passed measures cracking down on the drug currently available over-the-counter.

    Utah County and the Provo City Council recently moved to ban spice and more than two dozen states have labeled it a controlled substance.

    The herbal and chemical substance mimics the effects of cannabis, although it is not illegal under federal law.

    “Young adults and adolescents are turning to spice as a form of legalized marijuana,” Hatch wrote in a letter to acting DEA Administrator Michelle Leonhart. “I’m sad to report that this trend is growing to epidemic proportions in my home state of Utah.”

    Hatch’s letter seeks to have the DEA use emergency powers to classify spice as a Schedule I substance, making it illegal to be sold.

    Thomas Burr

    Published Nov 11, 2010 07:58AM



  1. JackARoe
    I saw this a while back. What gets me is Mr Hatch says it's in growing proportions, assuming everyone using it is "stupid" and can not think for themselves. Mr Hatch believes he has to save these stupid people from themselves, while making a name for himself. These growing numbers, can not in his opinion, be intelligent people that like the insight of a cannabinoid and really would rather have marijuana legal. Being high is stupid in his opinion, and any insight gained from a cannabinoid is delusion. Too late for that type of thinking.

    I think Mr Hatch will be ignored. As usual. The world is smarter than you give it credit for Mr Hatch.
  2. Terrapinzflyer
    ^^ I would not downplay Hatch's power.

    he has served as chairman (or ranking member) of the senate judiciary committee from '93-'05.
    He was considered by both Reagan and Bush as a potential nominee to the US Supreme Court.
    He has served in the Senate since 1976 and made a bid for the republican presidential nominee in 2000.
    He has been a major figure in politics surrounding immigration, terrorism, and conservative religion - all hot button issues today.

    IF he decides to push this issue he does have power.
  3. Alfa
    If the DEA agrees with Hatch, then what time span will be left for spice like products in the USA?
  4. JackARoe
    The problem with the doing anything at the federal level is the rigorous testing and proof needed, such as with Salvia, which has been looked at for several years. Unless an emergency schedule happens (and we know the debate that took on the cannabinoid board), then this could take some time to happen, which is why I believe it has been at the state level so far.

    I could be wrong, but I have also seen some suggestions from Hatch that have not been considered, like drug testing people on welfare.
  5. Terrapinzflyer

    It is hard to say. For starters- the Senate hearing for the (probable) new head of the DEA, Michele Leonhart takes place today. My gut feeling is that there are many issues simmering but that the DEA has been waiting on the new leader to be confirmed.

    Generally- with an emergency scheduling the rule must be added to the federal register, a public comment period allowed, and then a review before it is enacted. Seems like about 3 months time usually.

    There have been numerous references in the press coverage of cannabinoids that the DEA has been researching these substances for sometime.

    But really- I see this as the trickiest situation they've been faced with for a long time.

    Their choices as I see it:
    1)Make them Schedule I at the federal level. This would close the door on legitimate research to a large extent. Many research facilities and universities are unwilling or unable to jump through all the regulatory hurdles to work with a schedule I substance.

    2) Make them schedule II (or III or IV) federally. I could see this potentially opening the door to federal lawsuits challenging cannabis as a schedule I drug.

    3) Continue to leave it to the states to deal with. This just pushes the above issues off on the states. And ultimately means the DEA will be fielding requests for information, research and guidance from politicians and law enforcement across the country.

    Interesting times...
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