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  1. enquirewithin
    [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Smoking ban 'will lead to muggings and date rape'[/FONT] --'stupidity or insanity'?

    [FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif] Lorna Martin, Scotland editor
    Observer, Sunday March 26, 2006

    [/FONT] Scotland's smoking ban, which came into force this morning, could lead to a rise in date rape and theft, campaigners claimed last night.The warning came after several pub chains announced plans for a 'bar tag' that would let smokers leave their drinks unattended while outside having a cigarette. Critics condemned it as 'stupidity or insanity' and an open invitation to criminals who spike drinks with drugs such as Rohypnol, GHB or Ketamine.
    'This is far more serious than many people might imagine,' said Graham Rhodes, founder of the Roofie Foundation, Britain's only specialised agency dealing with this issue. 'It is like putting on a flashing light. It might send a message to bar staff not to take the drink away, but it also alerts criminals to it, lets them know that the owner is away for a few minutes for a smoke.
    'Anyone who uses this is basically asking to have their drink spiked. I find it hard to believe that pub owners are effectively encouraging their clients to leave drinks unattended.'
    The enforcement and side effects of the ban are being watched closely in England, where similar, less stringent restrictions are to be introduced next year.
    Several hundred venues in Scotland have applied for smoking shelters, canopies or beer gardens, but the vast majority of the country's 5,000 pubs have not because of planning restrictions, location or space. Most pubs will direct smokers outside to the pavement.
    Because by-laws prevent al fresco alcohol consumption in Scotland, several chains have introduced other measures. Maclay Inns, which has venues across the country, will provide a V-shaped tag smokers can hang over the side of a glass or bottle. It is printed with the message: 'Please don't take my drink, it's spoken for. I've just popped out for a cigarette.'
    Marketing manager Lynn Lovelock said: 'We decided to introduce these as a bit of fun for customers who wish to nip out for a cigarette.'
    Pub group Wetherspoons said it was producing beer mats for smokers to place on top of unfinished drinks. But critics highlighted the growing problem of drink spiking.
    'Only 30 per cent of all drinks that are spiked are related to drug rape,' said Mr Rhodes. 'Our research shows that the other 70 per cent are either a sick joke or to commit robbery. Men might not think twice about leaving their pint unattended, but more and more of the calls we get now are from people who have had their drinks spiked in bars or clubs and [are] then robbed of their cash, credit cards or mobile.'
    There are other concerns the ban could be in disarray as early as Tuesday when council workers are expected to strike in a dispute over pensions. Local authority environmental health staff are responsible for enforcing the ban, which imposes a fine of £50 on any individuals breaking the law and up to £2,500 for licensees. Police chiefs have insisted that enforcing the ban is not a job for their officers.
    Patrick Browne, chief executive of the Scottish Beer and Pub Association, predicted chaos on Tuesday. 'Enforcement officers have been given £6 million over the next three years to enforce the ban, yet go on strike two days after it is introduced. This means bar owners and staff are going to have to try to enforce it without any support.'
    Health professionals and politicians, though, were hoping for a new dawn in a country that bears the 'sick man of Europe' tag and suffers some of the highest cancer and heart disease rates in the world. A BMRB study showed three-fifths of adults in Scotland and England wanted smoking banned in public places.
    Jack McConnell, Scotland's first minister, said: 'In the years ahead people will look back on today as the day that Scotland took the largest single step to improve its health for generations.'



    It makes you wonder if "roofies" is sponsored by the tobacco industry?

Comments

  1. Motorhead
    Here in Canada the no-smoking in public places is in effect as well. However all the bars he has ever went to have a smoking room. Other than the cost of installing a ventalation system it wasnt really a problem for most bars to seal off a room designated for smokers where they could take their drinks with them. Sounds like they have some pretty restrictive zoning regulations in Scotland.
    If governments really gave a shit about peoples health they would just criminalize tobacco, but they make alot of money off of it so incidents like this will keep happening until the day comes when the anti-smoking lobby becomes so strong they will have to outlaw cigs.
  2. Senor Gribson
    outlaw cigs? ur joking rite? i may be a non-smoker, but i know as everyone else does that prohibition causes more problems than solutions. i can see it now: citizens want end to tobacco violence; recent stabbings linked to tobacco ring; federal government calls for harsher penalties for tobacco use; etc.

    we've all seen it before
  3. MrMouse
    Smoking will probably reduce date rape ... both male and female smokers will drink less alcohol so it stands to reason (I'm not being entirely serious BTW about any Scot drinking less alcohol).

    I can relate to the possible increase in thefts etc and public disorder with groups standing around on the streets.

    I'm a smoker and I'm happy about the ban although some councils are going further and banning smoking inside cars on their property, in public parks and exclusion zones around schools.
  4. Motorhead
    Nope im not joking. Smoking is not popular at all. The non-smoking lobby/movement is BIG. Shit when they banned smokes in prisons, alot of people, including myself thought there would be riots all over the place. Never happened. Alot of smokers themselves tell you its a disgusting habit and they want to quit. I started a thread about this here along time ago and go very little sympathy(im a smoker).
    Sure there might be some smuggling and violence associated with it, but i highly doubt there would be the organization and size of illegal activities like we say with alcohol prohibition. The climate is perfect for governments to just wipe them off the map, but like i said they still make to much fucking money from them. Christ they've done everything but criminalize them to make people think they care about their health. Cig companies cant advertise, stores must id now, cant smoke in public, cant smoke within 20 feet of a doorway, 'Health Canada cares, dont smoke' blah blah blah.
    The only problem in getting rid of them completely would be the first nations peoples. They would claim tobacco as a first nations right.
  5. chAos
    So no, not they don't outlaw them, the "can't smoke within 20 feet of a doorway" is a little too much maybe :).
  6. Pinkavvy
    Recently in the state of Washington (USA) has banned smoking in public buildings. This includes bars, casinos, strip clubs, and even hookah bars. But they went a step too far. Not only banning the smoking in the builinds, you also can't smoke withing 25 feet of a public building, which pretty much makes it illegal to smoke in town unless you're in your car or in the middle of the street. Many businesses are ignoring the law and just paying their fines. But the state is saying that the fines are only for the first year of the law being in effects, after that it will be a fine for the smoker and worse for the business (including losing their license to sell alcohol.)

    Luckily there are a few groups attempting to get the law repealed or at least changed to allow smoking outside of the buildings, and perhaps allow certain businesses to have licenses for a smoking area outside.
  7. Dualpower
    Smoking is an extremely serious health issue. It's most important, because it's something that can be drastically affected by legislation. This kind of law isn't akin to prohibition. It's not illegal to smoke. It's illegal to smoke where you will seriously hurt innocent bystanders.

    Huh? Prohibition makes addiction worse. Government's DO give a shit. Cigarette related illnesses are extremely expensive (not to mention, generally painful and demoralizing). They're regulating a noxious substance in a way to reduce harm. Sounds like a good idea to me. If you want to smoke and injure yourself, do so in your home.

    PS, I'm a smoker. I agree with so called "anti-smoking" legislation. Look at the numbers. Cigarettes kill alot of people needlessly. They foster a virtually pointless addiction (perhaps you could argue some romantic kind of artistic merit to smoking exists - the ballsy nihlism of it all).

    Attempts to save innocent bystanders, and promote cessation amongst current smokers sounds like a great idea to me.
  8. Dualpower
    Sorry for the double post, but...

    There is no Canada-wide smoking ban legislation.

    Where I'm from, Ontario, is unveiling a very strict no-smoking policy on May 1st. Smoking just about anywhere in public (including your car, I believe) will be illegal. No exceptions for bars under this one - not even patios.

    From the perspective of someone who doesn't want to smoke and is trying to quit, I'm elated by this legislation.
  9. Motorhead
    You are correct Dual, there is no Canada-wide ban. Where you can smoke falls into the provincial and municipal jurisdictions. I am not familar with every juristiction, but most areas within Canada and the US are introducing such restrictions, eventually it will be pretty much everywhere.

    You are correct in this as well, and it is the same thing as what I said above. Governments give a shit about the economic bottom line, not about individuals health. I mean how long have they known that cigarettes are bad for you? Depending on what you read and what you believe, it has been at the very least several decades. Some would argue that it has been much longer. They have had ample time to phase cigerattes out of the economy and come up with an alternative source of tax revenue. But no, they continue to allow the sale of this harmful product, placing restictions and regulations on where people smoke. And what restictions have they placed on Tobacco companies. They cant advertise. ooooooo. They care more about the producer than the consumer.
  10. grecian
    im a smoker but personally i am looking forward to next summer when the ban will come into effect in england aswell.

    firstly because in clubs i often want to go outside every now and then anyway but in the past bouncers and doorstaff have prevented me from doing so.

    secondly if ive got to go outside to smoke then having a sly joint or maybe something a little stronger will be far easier than trying to do so under the eyes and noses of bouncers

    thirdly for social reasons if i go outside on my own to have a smoke and there's other people out there it is an oppertunity to talk to them.

    and if it comes to it and i change my mind and dont like going outside (unlikely, but possible) it will be a good reason to quit smoking tobacco altogether. last summer i didnt smoke for 2 weeks, then started going to the pub after work again and u've guessed it, started smoking again.

    lol, just read this back and realised all my reasons are very selfish but atleast they're honest
  11. dr ACE
    well personally i used to smoke and i'm one of the ones who managed to quit,thank you god(allah)4 ever.and you know what helped me the most?,removing all personal respect that i once had for that thing(tobbcco evil nasty shit weed that it is) ,by burning it before my very eyes and whatching it being destroyed and not caring in the slightest about the well bing of the scumming shit that is tobbacco,you can understand that from my opions of the tobaccoo that i can say that I truly detest it with a passion!.being able to quit tobbacco was 1 of the most wonderfull and uplifiting experinces i was lucky enough to have in this lifetime
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