'Legal high' MCAT could have killed me

By chillinwill · Feb 20, 2010 · ·
  1. chillinwill
    A STUDENT has given a stark warning not to mess with MCAT after the popular club drug almost claimed her life.

    The woman was told by medics the drug would have killed her if she had not sought help quickly, after becoming dangerously ill following a night out in Dewsbury.

    The 20-year-old, who would only be identified by her first name, Sarah, had taken illegal drugs before on nights out in the town.

    She had also experimented with mephedrone, known as MCAT or meow, a legal stimulant which includes plant food and ketamine.

    But nothing prepared her for the nightmare that ensued after she snorted a gram of the legal drug last Saturday. She had also taken co-codamol tablets and was drunk alcohol. Later she started to feel anxious and dizzy which led to paranoia.

    "Then my body felt like it was shaking inside. It was terrifying. I went to wake my mum."

    Her mum refused to let her go to sleep, calling an ambulance and going with her to Dewsbury and District Hospital.

    Sarah's mum said: "She kept passing out and coming round again, scratching herself furiously, digging her nails into her face and neck. Her heart rate had soared to 127 beats per minute."

    The doctors told Sarah if she had not woken her mum, she would have passed out and died.

    Sarah, of Thornhill, said MCAT was widely available in some of the most popular nightspots in Dewsbury and Batley. She has now vowed not to touch MCAT or any other drug again.

    She said: "A lot of people are on it. At £7 a gram it is dirt-cheap. But it's addictive and can make you aggressive.

    "Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's safe. My message is that it's not worth it. I nearly died."

    Sgt Damian Roebuck said: "Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's safe. A perfect example of this is MCAT. This has severe side effects, with some users becoming extremely violent and showing significant mental instability."

    By Adam Wolstenholme
    February 20, 2010
    Dewsbury Reporter

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  1. bubbly nubs
    That has nothing to do with the codeine she took as well then?? WITH ALCOHOL?? For fucks sake. The effects she was suffering (except heart rate) are clearly from the codeine and alcohol (the nod, the itch).

    Expect to see a new article about mephedrone every day, surging at the start of the week after the weekend.
  2. Coconut
    This statement could not be more astonishingly incorrect, but I'm sure everyone here knows that.

    Additionally, if you follow the link to the original article, the first paragraph is present twice.

    Goodbye credibility. An absolute joke. This journalist - like so many others who think they can report on drugs without having a fucking clue - should do the honourable thing and never pick up a pen again, for the greater good of humanity.
  3. Abrad
    I am fucking speechless. I was about to email the fuckwit responsible for this atrocity of an article but there's not really any point. Perhaps making a complaint to the editor and recommending his dismissal (with him cc'd in) might make him think twice before churning out such utter shite in the future.

    The editor can be contacted here, if anyone feels up to it. Just remember, keep it civil.

    Reporter: [email protected]
  4. Space Numpty
    I actually think that is a very good idea and suggest that is done. Hell if SWIY wants to write the mail SWIM will happily send it. Seriously. This report is so innacurate it is beyond laughable.

    To SWIPorchy, SWIM really doesnt think this has anything to do with codiene. The girl took "Co-codamol" which was pretty much garanteed to be 8mg codiene 500mg paracetamol. If she had taken so much she got an opiate itch out of it she would have needed her stomach pumped for paracetamol overdose (not that it would have killed her necessarily but she would have no doubt told the medics if she had taken many, she was ready to admit to taking illegal and "legal high" substances, and they would have pumped her stomach as a precaution). Whilst most of this report is utter bullshit, there is no doubt in SWIMs mind that her ailments where down to Mephedrone.
  5. bubbly nubs
    SWIM is aware of co-codamol and the amount of codeine it contains. This girl could have easily been affected to the point where the itch occurs. One doesn't need ungodly amounts of opiates for the itch to occur. SWIM has had it on prescription doses of codeine. SWIM has not seen one reported case of people getting a massive itch of mephedrone, so putting it down to the codeine makes perfect sense, whereas putting it down to mephedrone is 100% speculation (not that codeine wasn't a speculation but it is a fact it causes itchiness).
  6. daisystar
    This report may or may not contain inaccuracies but it's very similar to what happened to swims son last night. He woke me up screaming because every time he tried to go to sleep he would get a panic attack and his heart was racing. He thought he was dying and made me take him to hospital. We spent all night there and it kept happening. The doctors say the problem was likely to have been caused by the mephedrone. His heart rate was way over what it should have been and they had to pump him with valium to calm it down. Swim would advise anyone taking this drug to be careful because - as the doctors told us - mephedrone has been around for such a short time no one knows the long-term effects on your health.
  7. bubbly nubs
    How much did SWIY son take? Most problems with mephedrone are down to irresponsible users who take way to much. When was this mephedrone consumed to be responsible for these effects?

    SWIM has had problems like this before his drug use, and on a few occasions after his drug use. Sounds like night terrors and high heart rate is a side effect of this.
  8. daisystar
    2gs of mephedrone on Tuesday night and a couple of lines about twelve hours before the heart palpitations began. Kept happening every time he tried to sleep. Looked like he was having some sort of electric shock. Scary.
  9. Abrad
    This is very true. I wonder how much alcohol she drank, this would further potentiate the codeine. Perhaps if she had not taken such a strong stimulant as mephedrone she would have succumbed to respiratory depression before she could get help. Much have taken a fairly large dose of codeine and/or drank a large amount of alcohol to be nodding on a very strong stimulant such as mephedrone being taken.
    This sounds really like a hypnagogic jerk, which is quite common and not dangerous in itself but could certainly be brought on by sleep deprivation and stimulant use. I have an ex who did this every time she fell asleep, sometimes jerking so hard she would wake me!

    Many people suffer sleep paralysis too in the days after a stimulant binge. This is a far more frightening occurrence, though still not dangerous. Basically there is a sort of "switch" in your brain that tells the body that it's asleep, and keeps us from fumbling around living out our dreams. When this "switch" doesn't switch the body back on immediately after the mind wakes it can be extremely frightening. Some people also hallucinate and feel as if they are being held down or pressed on their chest.
    Just thought I should forewarn you as many people report this happening.,
  10. Space Numpty
    Seriously, the girl would have taken 16mg of codiene and people are trying to blame her ailment on the fact she combined that with alcohol over the one gram of mephedrone she snorted....

    And NOBODY gets a codiene itch on 16mg of the stuff. If she had taken more than 2 tablets then it is standard procedure to pump her stomach and she has gone over the recommended "safe" dosage and this didnt happen. Furthermore the report doesnt say anything about her itching, it says she was clawing at her skin. Maybe she was doing it out a panic or one of many other reasons.

    SWIM appreciates some people are trying to counteract some of the hysteria over Mephedrone but Jesus....
  11. bubbly nubs
    I must have missed that part of the article. Can SWIY please show me? Oh wait it doesn't say.

    All of what we say is speculation as everyone knows how much the media like to remove/withhold facts.

    And yes it is possible for someone to get the itch off 16mg of codeine. ANY amount can give an itch, depends how sensitive a person is.
  12. Electric Wizard
    Welcome change to most parents coming here 'n saying it's all the drugs and listening to people like us that caused the problems.
    I have a friend who was taking too much of the stuff (he's 22 and should know better but whatever) and ended up going to the hospital with palpitations 'n the like. Don't really know what the doctor told him other than try to calm down with the 4-MMC, I'll have to ask him, I'm sure he'd be willing to share his experience.
    Hope your son's alright anyway. :thumbsup:

    PS. Plant food and ketamine? It's not funny anymore, I don't think I've seen any news report say what 4-MMC is with even close to 100% accuracy.
  13. chillinwill
    'I nearly died after taking mephedrone'

    A YOUNG Whitleigh man has described how he "nearly died" after taking the legal high mephedrone.

    Jez Barnshaw, aged 20, said he now fears for the safety of others who choose to take the drug, which has yet to be classified by the Government.

    Jez, who is to embark on a performing arts course this September, contacted The Herald after reading about another Plymouth youngster who had become addicted to the drug, often nicknamed "bubble", "meow meow" and "bounce".

    Jez said: "I did bubble for the first time and was rushed to hospital."

    He admits that earlier this month a friend visited him with a quantity of the white powder. He said: "She was doing it, so I wanted to try it.

    "I had it two days on the trot."

    Jez said he "went crazy" after taking it, thinking his friend was trying to kill him.

    He said: "I thought she was going to steal my flat. I was looking at her and she had weird-looking eyes. I was speaking 100 miles an hour. Everything was weird, horrible, very intense.

    "My friend called an ambulance and the police turned up.

    "I had to be restrained by six officers. I had to be pepper-sprayed and they took me in a riot van to hospital. I had to be sedated by the doctors.

    "After I was eventually released from hospital the next day my muscles started to spasm and I couldn't control my tongue.

    "It took me four days to get over the paranoia and I had to stay at my mother's house for four days.

    "I'm a big lad – I'm 21 stone and 5ft 11ins – and if it can do that to me what will it do to other people?

    "If my friend hadn't called an ambulance for me, I would be dead.

    "It worries me that it's legal and that other young people will try it thinking it's safe."

    He spoke out as health professionals in Plymouth agreed to target potential users of "legal highs".

    A number of the city's health professionals met on December 16 last year to discuss mephedrone.

    They included Gary Wallace, of Plymouth's Drug and Alcohol Action Team; Plymouth drug liaison officer Det Con Stuart Payne; Dave Schwartz, of Plymouth City Council, Rhys Ponton, of Plymouth NHS, a secondary school headteacher as well as staff from Harbour and the council's youth service.

    A briefing report, released earlier this month, reveals information about mephedrone, its usage, effects and side-effects. Backing police, who have noted a rise in overdoses involving booze and mephedrone, the report states: "As with all drugs, risks associated with consumption are greatly increased when drugs are mixed, especially so when consumed with alcohol."

    It also noted "reports of people hoarding the drug in significant quantities in anticipation that it will be made illegal. With illegality we are likely to see an increase in price, a decrease in purity and the illegal drug market taking over its sale and distribution."

    Police said users faced a risk of arrest and, while they would be released with no action if it was tested as mephedrone, the arrest "can be kept on police records".

    A public campaign to highlight the drug's dangers was ruled out at present, with professionals instead targeting information at "existing and potential users". The group agreed to meet two to three times a year to analyse trends.

    February 23, 2010
    This Is Plymouth
  14. moda00
    I am so sorry swiyour family went through this; it must have been very scary. Swim has never experienced mephedrone and doesn't plan to but has been following the news. I really appreciate your objective and reasonable stance that we don't know for sure based on the one media article what happened with this girl, but thank you for sharing the facts of swiyour own family situation, and the reasonable warning that users should be careful due to the fact that there have been bad effects and the safety is not fully known- this I believe is much more helpful and effective than those who say, mephedrone will kill you, it should be banned, etc. Even though they may be genuinely scared or think that, it comes across as fear mongering and is not factual (things like "I know I would have died/could have died" or "This drug needs to be banned or else young people will be corrupted and die" - one does not know such things would or would not have happened, and young people (and all humans of any age even) have always had counterculture, or drugs or alcohol of some type depending on the time in history, whether legal or illegal, socially acceptable or not.. scare tactics just don't work and are not very rational sounding- I appreciate so much that siwyou went through this and are able to give a warning about what happened and specific details, with what had to be emotional and scary, without making generalizations or assumptions that may or may not be accurate- thank you, I think your comments may have helped and impacted people more than hundreds of fear-mongering, uneducated statements.

    SO-- they acknowledge that mixing a stimulant with alcohol (or any drug with alcohol) often causes significant issues when they do arise, and that most overdoses seem to occur with alcohol in the mix. They also clearly predict (which has happened over and over with all sorts of other substances) that if made illegal, it will still be abused as one of many illegal drugs available, but will become less safe, with impurities and cuts, risks of addiction/crime that come with black market pricing, and the involvement of the criminal element. I only hope they don't go on to follow these statements and observations with demonising and banning, since it is clearly counterproductive. I do like the strategy the article mentions, of targeting and educating current or potential users, if I understood that right, rather than simply trying a "just say no" "drugs are bad, mmm'kay" approach. Hope we can learn something from all this. Swim doesn't currently use anything other than medically prescribed medications, but were she choosing to use legal or illegal drugs for recreational reasons, this is one she would avoid- simply because it does not seem worth the risk to her, though ridiculous journalism with blatant and basic factual errors doesn't sway her, she has seen enough firsthand reports to realize her personal risk level would not allow for this substance without further testing. On the other hand, accurate reporting would certainly encourage swim, IF she did feel the desire and need to try this recreationally (though she does not/will not) she would get a limited dose and start low, and avoid any other drug mixtures/booze. HARM REDUCTION> by posting the circumstances of ill effects- prior health conditions, other meds or substances consumed, amount of meph consumed, etc. people who DO choose to use it will hopefully be able to circumvent some problems. But as with any substance, legal ones like booze, tobacco, caffeine, prescriptions, etc. included, some people will make poor choices or will be unlucky, we just need to do what we can to minimize this and learn our lesson from past and present prohibitions- massive failure. In fact, I'd posit that, like cannabis' illegal status spawning Spice and such (which do not necessarily have the same record of safety, and are not natural like cannabis, though nor are they necessarily dangerous of course), this mephedrone craze is fueled by the fact that cocaine has been associated with shady criminal gangs, cut with various impurities, the price raised by the black market, and the legal risks that accompany it, so of course people will turn to something like meph, even with less known safety information or history.

    Prohibition has failed, and if continued, will continue this spiral of problems.
  15. Synchronium
    RE: Cocodamol - Only the over the counter variety is 8/500mg. It also comes in 30/500mg, but that's only available via a prescription.

    Two of those might bring on threshold effects, or be just enough to "potentiate" the alcohol.

    I had more to say on the article, but it seems that Coconut has once again stolen my reply...
  16. Ching
    Utterly ridiculous first of all it is marketed as "plant food" so it can be sold legally it does not contain plant food and it does not contain ketamine it got the name M-Kat because people often mix it with ketamine which is often given the nick name Ket and the from Kat it turns into meow etc.
  17. MrG
    ^^^ That is wrong.

    The street term MCAT is derived from the word MethCathinone, which is part of it's molecular name 4-MethylMethCathinone, which should be more correctly shortened to 4-MMC not MCAT, which is a different molecule from Mephedrone (4-MMC).
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