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Liquor law change aimed at date rape (Ontario, Canada)

  1. Euphoric
    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

    Liquor law change aimed at date rape
    Patrons can take alcohol to washrooms
    Goal is to stop spiking drinks with drugs

    Oct. 17, 2006. 05:46 AM
    ROB FERGUSON
    QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU

    She's not crazy about taking her drink into a nightclub washroom to prevent it from being spiked with a date rape drug.But Theresa Palumbo is glad that option could soon be legal under proposed reforms that would modernize Ontario liquor laws dating to 1944."It's probably a good idea because date rape is very serious," the Ryerson University student said yesterday after Government Services Minister Gerry Phillips unveiled the changes at a campus pub.The big question is: Where's a young woman to put her drink given the sanitary state of some bar bathrooms?"People find it gross to bring drinks into the bathroom anyway, so I don't know," said Palumbo, in her second year of graphic arts management.Phillips said the reforms, to be detailed in legislation coming Thursday, are designed to be more "consumer friendly" and would also:

    Make it legal to stroll through a winery's vineyards with a glass of the grape.
    Permit makers of beer, wine and liquor to sell samples of their drinks for a nominal fee on their premises.
    Increase scrutiny for restaurants and bars seeking liquor licences.
    Allow pilot projects in which charity bingo halls — hard hit by the government's tough new anti-tobacco act that prohibits smoking in indoor public places — could sell alcoholic drinks as a way of boosting revenues.Help is needed, but Ian Edward, executive director of the Toronto Kiwanis Boys and Girls Club, said he's not convinced booze at bingo is going to provide that help given that about 70 per cent of regular clients were smokers.The changes aimed at reducing date rape emerged as the "number one" issue during months of consultations with the hospitality industry, police and other interested parties, said Phillips.But bars and clubs must apply to have their liquor licences changed to permit drinks in washrooms, he added. Government officials did not know how much that might cost or how long it would take."We certainly hope there wouldn't be any cost associated with it," said Michael Ferrabee of the Canadian Restaurant and Food Services Association, which has been pressing for this change for years.It's "completely ridiculous" to have to tell people, especially women, not to take drinks into a washroom given the risks of leaving drinks unattended, said co-owner David Stearn of Rivoli, a popular club."We didn't feel comfortable insisting," added Stearn, who added he's never heard of any date rape incidents perpetrated at Rivoli.As the law now stands, it's illegal to take drinks out of a licensed room at a bar and go into hallways or stairwells to washrooms. That would no longer be the case if the legislation were passed."Patrons will never have to leave their drinks unattended and risk someone slipping them drugs," said Phillips. "As society changes, so does criminal behaviour... Times change and we have to change with the times."Many bars and clubs place tables outside the washrooms to patrons to place their drinks on."I don't know if I would leave my drink out," said a bartender at Big Bop on Queen St. W. "If there's a crazy kid out there, it's easy to do something." British Columbia has allowed bar patrons to take drinks into washrooms for four years, said government officials, who did not have any statistics on the prevalence of date rape. But recent studies have shown it is an under-reported crime because women are embarrassed or don't realize what's happened soon enough. Date rape drugs can be metabolized in as little as 12 hours, leaving no traces in the bloodstream.If the government wants to put a bigger dent in date rape, it needs to do more than allow women to take their drinks into bar washrooms, observers said.That means more public education for young men and women about booze and how it can impact judgment, said Caroline Rabbat, manager of the community safety office at the University of Toronto.She applauded the change aimed at reducing the odds of drinks being spiked with date rape drugs but noted: "Alcohol itself is still the date rape drug of choice."University of Toronto student Vincenza Mazzeo, 22, told the Star's Phinjo Gombu that the government proposal was only a "partial solution.""The law can only work to a certain extent," said Mazzeo, who was having a drink last night with a friend at the Madison Avenue Pub near Bloor St. W. and Spadina Ave. "After that it's up to the individual to ensure that the drink is not spiked."You yourself need to make choices that ensure you are not putting yourself in harm's way. That would be not leaving your drink unattended and making sure you are aware of where it is and who is in your space at all times."Aimee Garrett, 23, a human resources assistant heading into a pub last night with two friends, said the proposed law simply legitimized what she always does."It's a good idea because I bring my drink to the washroom regardless, so now I don't have to hide it," said Garrett.When it comes to where patrons could comfortably place their drinks in washrooms, it will be up to bars and clubs to provide suitable facilities."We'll most likely have more attendants in the washrooms," said Nick Di Dinato, chief executive of Liberty Entertainment Group, which owns clubs including the Crystal Room, Phoenix Concert Theatre and Courthouse Chamber Lounge.Many bars will have to clean up their act, said New Democrat Peter Kormos."Let's be frank. Taking your drink into the restrooms of most of these pubs and taverns is in and of itself is a pretty noxious proposition."In the meantime, Palumbo, the Ryerson student, and her classmate, Lara Deveci, are playing it safe."My parents always say don't leave your drink unattended. I wouldn't let a stranger get me a drink," said Deveci.Palumbo said she usually finishes her drink before going to the washroom unless she's with "close friends, not just someone I've known for a month."

    And a little section that was included in the newspaper but not in the online article is as follows:

    Dangerous Mix
    Rophynol and GHB are central nervous system depressants and, because they are colourless, tasteless and odourless, they can easily be added to drinks. Use of date rape drugs can, in some cases, lead to death, particularly when mixed with alcohol or other drugs.

    -Rophynol:Also known as roofies, roachies, la rocha, forget pill, peanuts, whiteys, ropes, pappas, ro-shays, robinal, Mexican valium, circles.
    -Effects include amnesia, musclse relaxations, slowing of psychomotor responses, sedation, dizziness, confusion.
    -Sedation occurs 20 to 30 minutes after being taken, peaks within two hours and may last for up to eight hours.
    -Each tablet costs between $1 and $5.

    -GHB: Also known as G, liquid ecstasy, liquid x, liquid e, scoop, soap, gook, grievous bodily harm, natural sleep-500, easy lay.
    -Effects are abrubt and tense drowsiness, decreased body temperature, vomiting, slower and deeper respiration, dizziness, memory loss, interference with mobility and verbal coherence, diarhea, loss of consciousness, excessive salivation, decreased gag reflex, seizure, decreased heart rate.
    -Takes 15-20 minutes for sedative effects to kick in.
    -Some weight lifters use it for muscle building.
    -Undetectable a mere 12 hours after ingestion.

    Other date rape drugs: Valium, Librium, chloral hydrate, ketamine, clonazepam.

    SWIM is curious about how/why body builders would use G. SWIM is also surprised to see ketamine listed as a date rape drug. SWIM thinks the taste would be hard to hide and if the victim did ingest some, the victim would likely be aware of what was happening, even if they couldn't stop it. Unless they were unconcious. If the K dose was high enough to be used as a date rape drug, then the victim may end up watching themselves get raped. Creepy.

Comments

  1. zera
    Bodybuilders use G, 1) because it is a common belief in the community that it helps release growth hormone and burns fat, and 2) because if you are cycling you're not supposed to drink alcohol (at least not if you like your liver), so they use G instead to get drunk.

    As for Ketamine being a date-rape drug, I've heard of it before and I believe it's pure speculation. Ketamine isn't very absorbent orally. To get the concentrations required for a K-hole dose would take very large amounts, and my guess is the person is likely to vomit first. Many people have trouble getting to the K-hole from insufflating, I can't imagine how hard it would be to get there from oral use. I can't find a single case linking Ketamine to a date rape, even though site after site tells me it's "One of the most popular date rape drugs."

    As for GHB I think its use as a date rape drug is also wild speculation. The problem with GHB as a date rape drug is that the user could rebound at any time and there's no way to tell when. So you have the risk of them waking up at any time. The main GHB rape cases that has been shrugged down our throats by the government, Hilary Farias and Samantha Reid, didn't involve rape at all.

    I question the prevalence of date rape as reported by the media in fact. Studies have shown that a significant proportion of rape accusations are in fact fabricated, and it would seem to me that date rape would exhibit this at an even greater rate. Date rape seems like an enormously complex operation to carry out, not only do you have to get someone's drink without anyone seeing, you have to make sure they drink it, then you have to make sure that when the girl is passing out her friends just abandon her. You have to get the dose right depending on how much alcohol is going to be drunk, too little and it won't work, and too much and you risk the possibility of having to take the victim to the emergency room, the thing is you have no idea how much alcohol they're going to drink throughout the night when you do spike their drink. The vast majority of girls I know don't just leave their friend abandoned at the frat house when they pass out, girls definitely take care of each other, and they almost always go into these types of situations with a friend.

    Given the nature of blacking out on alcohol (Swim can most certainly say that his blackout booze experiences would definitely be described as receiving rohphynol if he was a female and told a rape counselor about it), I can easily see how girls would get black out drunk, and wake up the next morning with a guy they don't remember. Rape counselors and those so inclined would definitely suggest she was date raped, and given the girl and her friend's attitude about sex rather then concluding she behaved in a "slutty" manner, it may push her to believe she was raped.

    Occam's razor leads me to conclude that a significant number of alleged date rapes are the latter rather than the former.
  2. radiometer
    #1 quote:

    "Alcohol itself is still the date rape drug of choice."

    So, let's go on to make a table about GHB etc., which makes much better press.
  3. Paracelsus
    Both of these drugs have a bad rep because the propaganda called them date-rape drugs. This, again, connects drugs to rape and murder. There are shitloads of substances to use for a date-rape, including: most barbiturates, commonly used benzos, and basically any other sedative/hypnotic/aphrodisiac that can be added to drinks.

    GHB is definitely not tasteless, and AFAIK the Rohypnol tablets were modified especially because of their use as a date-rape drug, so now they have more inactives in them to make it colour the drink and make it cloudy, taste bitter, etc. which makes them more difficult to use for a date-rape.
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