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  1. Terrapinzflyer
    Singaporean gets the gallows

    GEORGE TOWN: A Singaporean has been sent to the gallows for trafficking in over 2kg of MDMA, a substance used in making Ecstasy pills, six years ago.

    Oh Tian Sang, 48, a former pub owner, was found guilty of trafficking in 2325 gm of methylenedioxymethamphetamine at the narcotics office of the Penang International Airport at about 9pm on Jan 31, 2003.

    In his judgment, Justice Abdul Rahim Uda said Oh had failed to create doubt on the prosecution’s case.

    He said Oh, in his defence, testified that he was going to Paris from Singapore for about five days and while in Paris, a friend had asked for his help to deliver two boxes of cake and bread to a girlfriend in Penang.

    “Oh said he agreed and upon arrival at the Penang International Airport after a transit in Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur, narcotics officers found him with the drugs,” said the judge.

    Justice Abdul Rahim said Oh’s statement was not believable as the latter had not mentioned anything about the incident to the police earlier. Oh’s counsel R.S.N. Rayer told the court that he would be appealing the decision.

    December 16th 2009


    Since there seems to be some confusion 2.325 grams = 2,325 gtams. Just a different style of notation.


  1. bLuE
    thats brutal, and unjust. swim thinks that death sentances for drugs is going WAY over the line. although over there, drugs fund gangs, BIG TIME... someone pays them for drugs, they take the money and buy guns, ect... HOWEVER if they werent illegal in the first place, there wouldnt be a black market, and ALL of those gangsters would be shit out of work.
    they would be stuck selling kiddy porn and all sorts of discusting vile things that could never be considered glamourous. which would kill off the new gang recruits BIG TIME.

  2. Terrapinzflyer
    Hmm- maybe I'm wrong but I think its singapore where chewing gum is illegal... seems they have a lot of strange and harsh laws.

    Not a spot on the travel itinarary for sure...
  3. chinpokomaster
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but should it not be 2,325g? 2.325 isn't an awful lot.

    And it certainly isn't over 2kg.
  4. Seaquake
    depends on where in the world swiy is. much of europe a . is used to separate big numbers and the , is for the points so a half in europe is 0,5

    guess it's the same in singapore, oddly given their ties with the UK.
  5. chinpokomaster
    So what's 2325 milligrams in grams, then?
  6. Seaquake
    well for most of europe that would be 2,325g and in the uk that would be 2.325g

    one million separating out the zeros would be

    1.000.000 in europe
    1,000,000 in the UK

    (the difference is usage can actually be seen in the donations notice)
  7. noAverageJoe
    1 gram equals 1000 milligrams.

    So 2325 milligrams / 1000 = 2,325 grams (2.325 grams).

    But swiJoe thinks it really was almost two and a half kilo.
    Also, swiJoe likes to know:

    Is there any difference between being caught with 1 kilo mdma, or 10.
    Or maybe 500 grams of coke, or 3 kiklo's?

    Or, is one going to die anyway if one get's caught :S ?
    In Singapore that is.
  8. Seaquake
    I think drugs trafficking around there, singapore malaysia thailand etc, pretty much = death penalty no matter the amount
  9. noAverageJoe
    Hmmm. Pretty gruesome.
  10. chinpokomaster
    I know that, I have an A Level in maths :)

    Except it's a decimal point. Who ever heard of a decimal comma?
  11. Seaquake
    most europeans for one quite a lot of the rest of the world really (though not in terms of population compared to the point as seems india and china use a point not a comma). The SI use either dependent on what language they are using.

    Countries using Arabic numerals with decimal comma

    Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia, Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both separators officially), Macau (in Portuguese text), Macedonia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua, Panama, Peru, Paraguay, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Africa (officially[citation needed], but dot point is commonly used in business), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.
  12. noAverageJoe
    Yes really, and decimal comma's are quite common.
    Dot's, comma's whatever. It is actually called a radix point.
    Not referring to the comma or point, but the position.

    Wiki can explain this perfectly.
  13. chinpokomaster
    But an important aspect of information publication is knowing your audience. It should be translated into a format more useful for Western consumption. The article is published in English and I don't see the translation as complete unless the point is replaced by a comma. The hybrid makes it confusing. Someone skimming over the document may miss the 2 kg bit and be confused by the rest.
  14. noAverageJoe
    Oke sorry for going off topic (again?) ;

    but i agree with swiChinpo, that's true.
    But this can be interpreted the other way around aswell:

    The reader should not limit him or herself to only knowing their own mother language and their own local notation if one intends to read international papers.
  15. chinpokomaster
    Agreed but the article presents itself with ambiguity. The decent thing to do would be to resolve the ambiguity for the sake of clarity - it is trying to get a message across after all. It even talks of "a Singaporean man", i.e. it's viewing him from the perspective of a western foreigner. So why talk about his nationality in the 3rd person but adopt his method of writing numerals? Are we documenting him or did he write that part of the article?
  16. noAverageJoe

    And yes, it should be clearer. Ambiguity should've been resolved by the publisher.
  17. Seaquake
  18. chinpokomaster
    They may talk of 2325 grammes of MDMA in the original article, but the OP didn't in this thread.
  19. Seaquake
    no they used "2,325gm" which the malaysian bar website changed to "2.325gm" however the first paragraph says "over 2k" in all versions and in that context it's clear they mean 2325g however it is written.
  20. Nature Boy
    Incredible. Personally, SWIM boycotts anything to do with Singapore but that only involves not drinking, the frankly overrated, Tiger beer anymore. Not exactly a big loss seeing as the stuff doesn't taste all that great. I know a guy who lived in Singapore for a short while and he loved it. I think I'll forward him this story in order to give him a wake-up call.
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