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  1. AmbitiousStoner
    Question to the DF forum: If you found yourself in a similar situation, would you turn your child/family member over to the police?

    Fishers teen admits buying drugs on 'Dark Net,' hidden online market

    Mom turned son, drugs over to police

    FISHERS, Ind. - A Fishers teen has been arrested after police intercepted two drug shipments that he admitted to buying on a growing online marketplace, found on a mysterious corner of the Internet known as the "dark net."

    The 14-year-old boy's mother turned him in to police after the drugs arrived at her home with the day's mail.

    The mother cried as she told the Call 6 Investigators why she took the extreme step of hauling the boy and the drugs to the Fishers police station.

    "My main concern was just to make sure I was doing everything I could to try to save his life, and I knew I couldn't do it on my own," she said under the condition that her family's identity be protected.

    "I was mad at him, I think, disappointed for breaking my trust," she said as she wiped away tears.

    When police questioned the teen, he admitted to buying the drugs on a growing anonymous online portal known as "Silk Road – The anonymous marketplace."

    A recent Forbes article pegged sales at $22 million annually on the Silk Road marketplace, with more than 550 sellers offering everything from drugs to guns and bombs.

    The Fishers mother said she became suspicious when her son kept anxiously checking the mailbox.
    "He's like, 'I'm just going to check the mail, I'm just going to check the mail.' You know, he doesn't typically want to check the mail all the time," she said.

    She waited for the next day's mail and grabbed an arriving Priority Mail package addressed to her son. When she opened it, she found a DVD cartoon movie box that heightened her suspicions even more. She bent the box open and said that a small sealed package dropped out in her lap.

    "Inside of the sealed package was a baggie, zip lock baggie with clear, white crystals.

    "I had no idea what it was. I knew it was a problem. He pleaded with me every which way to Sunday to dispose of it, throw it in the trash, flush it down the toilet, mix it with water, pour it in the mulch," said the mother.

    Instead, she loaded the drugs and her child into the car to turn them in.

    In court papers, Fishers police write that they tested the substance and confirmed it was Ecstasy, a form of MDMA, or methamphetamine.

    Under questioning, the boy said he had purchased those drugs, as well as a second shipment, from a seller on the Silk Road marketplace. Police then traced the second shipment and intercepted it on the neighborhood mail truck that was set to deliver once again to the family's home. The second shipment also contained drugs, police wrote.

    "I was angry at the means with which he got his hands on these drugs," said the mother.

    Fishers police declined to answer questions about the case, so the mother said she wonders whether police are trying to track down the actual seller. The return address for each drug shipment was listed in Portland, Ore., but a slightly different male name was listed as the sender of each package.

    "Whoever provided a child with the drug is anonymous," the mother said. "It’s not like there was someone knocking at my door, it's not like he was out in the neighborhood, coming home acting differently. It was delivered straight to him in the mailbox."

    The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department reported a similar case of drugs arriving at an Indianapolis home. Narcotics Squad Capt. Robert Holt said a package of drugs was intercepted by police last fall and the recipient admitted having bought it on the Silk Road marketplace.

    "It's out there. It's available," said Holt, adding that Ecstasy and other odd recreational drugs are the most common, such as the so-called "date rape drug," as opposed to more commonly available drugs like marijuana and cocaine.

    The "dark net" is also known as "dot-Onion," which refers to a domain that does not contain typical traceable dot-com websites. Instructional videos are posted on YouTube and elsewhere, telling people how to download a program that allows access to an anonymous technology called Tor. A recent GQ article traced its roots back to military intelligence operations trying to keep their communications from being intercepted.

    Once the Tor program is downloaded on a computer, it causes bits of data to be drawn from thousands of computers worldwide in order to establish a marketplace or web portal such as Silk Road. Since the site is not tied to a single computer or server like a dot-com web site, it creates serious challenges for police.

    Indiana State Police Cyber Crimes Unit Lt. Chuck Cohen said, "What we find is there are online marketplaces on the dot-Onion or dark net or elsewhere, where they essentially act as auction houses for people to trade in illegal drugs and other kinds of illegal activities.

    "Someone that is wanting to sell illegal drugs can use this to come in contact with someone who wants to buy illegal drugs. These are marketplaces like any other," he said.

    He said that, while tracing the communications or the actual transaction may be difficult in Silk Road drug cases, criminals can still be caught.

    "The fact that police are aware of that should indicate to criminals, in addition to being aware of it, we're actually conducting investigations in these environments.

    "What I would tell criminals that are engaging in the criminal trade craft online is, you may not have been arrested yet, but your time is coming. We are doing these investigations and we will find you and we will arrest you, and you will be prosecuted," said Cohen.

    "Old traditional police work that has been tried and true for generations, following the actual shipments, these are actual physical items, this is real drugs moving from point A to point B, and in many cases those are leads for the investigation," he said.

    A drug dealer's February arrest in New Zealand was referred to as the first ever criminal conviction involving a Silk Road transaction. Federal police said they were able to gain information about the dealer from his Silk Road profile, so they warned others that the marketplace is not entirely anonymous.
    Some online articles and blog posts refer to the Silk Road Marketplace as the eBay or the Amazon for illegal goods.

    Silk Road and other locations on the dark net or "dark web" often use a currency known as "Bit Coins".

    While its origin revolves around anonymously paying for goods on the web, CNN reported last month that more than 100 businesses, including a New York City bar, are now accepting Bit Coins for payment.
    Bit Coins are touted as a commodity like gold or silver, so their value fluctuates based on how many people are buying or selling them. However, instead of being based on an actual currency like gold or U.S. dollars, the value is based only on that online investment activity.

    "Looking back, I realize that I had helped to fund his Bit Coin account," said the mother in Fishers.

    While some parents have bought their kids Bit Coins to purchase online video games or other seemingly harmless products, the mother said her 14-year-old convinced her to buy him Bit Coins as an investment. She said he told her that he planned to buy while the price was low and then sell when the value was much higher and she said she believed it was a legitimate investment strategy.

    While attending drug rehabilitation therapy with her son, she said another drug user at the session mentioned that he was familiar with using Bit Coins to buy drugs.

    "I just don't think that anyone really knows about what it is, and what having those Bit Coins can bring into your home, can bring into your life, and how easily it can destroy something," said the mother.

    The Bit Coin website proclaims that it has no central management structure and is comprised solely of its investors. The website also warns users that it is "pseudo-anonymous" and therefore possible for payments and transactions to be traced in some circumstances.

    While the various dark net sites offer everything from trained hitmen to bombs and machine guns, Lt. Cohen said many are simply aimed at scamming people.

    "You have to decide, do you trust someone that is advertising that they are going to be a hitman? Do you trust that person advertising that they are going to send you illegal drugs? And, really, you're not going to go to the police and say, 'I tried to buy drugs, I tried to hire a hit man and they stole my money.' That's not something that happens, and criminals know that that's an easy victim pool," Cohen said.

    However, a Carnegie Mellon research paper from July 2012 found a surprisingly high feedback rating for many sellers of drugs and other goods on Silk Road. As with eBay, feedback scores indicate how satisfied past buyers were with their given transactions, so a high feedback score for an online drug pusher would indicate that customers were happy with what they have received.

    In the Fishers case, police reported that the 14-year-old was arrested and booked into the Hamilton County Juvenile Detention Center. His mother said the boy was charged with attempted possession of a controlled substance.

    The mother speaks to her son frequently in phone calls from the detention center and she said he blames her for getting him into legal trouble.

    "It's been a journey that I wish I didn't have to take. I wish I could fix everything and I can't," she said.

    Source: The Indy Channel website (ABC News, Indiana), October 21, 2013


  1. trdofbeingtrd
    Not for a second would I take my child/children and drugs to the police. They would be disposed of and the son would know if they tried any kind of shit like that again it would be a fate worse than jail.....a catholic private school.

    Seriously, no. I was raised that you don't just go calling cops and turning people in because of drugs, especially family. Shit, half the cops that the son was taken to in the station would cover for their children.
  2. sativa
    to tell the true if my friend found himself in a similar s situation he would not call the police to someone of his family or even a son.
    he would rather choose to search for a rehab clinic to the other person.
    because he thinks this mother could have ruined his sons life or future giving a criminal record as a christmas gift to him.
    rehab=much better than prison.
  3. Wanderer
    Why can't reporters and authorities educate themselves?

    Absolutely priceless.

    Be well...
  4. JJ1234
    I wouldn't ever call cops on my kids unless they were raping or killing people. TBH I wouldn't even call them on my worst enemy. That's a line that should not be crossed.

    Especially when it's your own kids! Don't get me wrong, I would either destroy or confiscate them, but getting LE involved in your personal life isn't the answer.That's a good way of admitting to the courts you can't handle your own offspring and the possibility of having them taken away.

    What they should do is get him some REAL help!!! Whether it be rehab, counseling, or whatever it takes. At the very least a long serious talk about it and a major grounding. Hard to believe people would do this and think it is the right answer(call the cops that is).

    Ugh.... I don't want to live in this world anymore when I hear shit like this :(
  5. RoboCodeine7610
    Absolutely disgusting. Giving your own 14 year old child a criminal record just to stand on your moral high ground is not an idiotic strategy to keep him off drugs, but also just plain cruel. What was her objective with this pointless exercise?

    If I was that kid, I would've just plain and simple knocked the drugs off her hand and flushed them down the toilet. Also, she'd stop being family the second she tried to turn me in.

    It's one thing to do it to an 18 year old, but being 14 allows you to make mistakes in my opinion.

  6. Sam Spade
    As far as I'm concerned, this is the reason she turned her son in. She was mad and wanted to hurt him. In the business a member of my family is involved in, I see this type of behavior time and time again. Parents acting like over-grown kids and actually seeking to hurt their child because their child hurt them.

    Anyway, people don't seem to grasp what having somebody arrested can do to that person's life. When you call the cops on your dad because he's freaking out and you say "you fear for your life" your dad doesn't just go spend the night in jail to calm down. He picks up assault charges and spend much longer than one night in a city jail. Anyone considering calling the cops on another person really needs to think twice before doing so. If this mother wasn't trying to purposefully hurt her son, I can guarantee she's going to regret ever putting him through this.
  7. kmak
    Dear police, take my son and his drugs. Go wild, treat him like a criminal.

    Awful mother, she actually is simply shifting the burden of responsibility from herself.
  8. AKA_freckles
    Go easy on her. She obviously had no idea what to do. she doesn't sound smart, but she doesn't seem sadistic either. People who have never been involved with the law have no idea what a bad course of action it really is to invite them into situations.

    Also, that kid is an idiot too.
  9. Alien Sex Fiend
    My dad did that to me. After he caught me in a bathroom smoking weed from my friend's three plants in a bedroom closet(lets not incriminate). me and my brother were smoking pot in a bathroom for years, with him present but clueless. My brother wasn't caught cause he wasn't with me that time. He called cops on me, I was arrested and charged and spend a week in jail because there was no one to bail me out. finally money was raised by someone and i was out, and luckily I ended up with no criminal record after all. After half a year spent in criminal court twice a month and showing up every week in bail office, I got rehab for 6months. Naturally we don't speak. My brother still lives there and I assume keeps smoking weed in that goddam bathroom
  10. Nanashi
    Funny, I thought opening someone elses mail was a felony.
  11. AKA_freckles
    you know, I was wondering how he can get charged since it was never in his possession, granted he admitted to ordering it, but still.
  12. upnorthhillrod
    Bad mother, she's blaming everyone everything around but her and her son. she failed to guide him away from substance abuse, but to her it was silk roads fault because it was there. Ciggerates, drugs, stds, guns, and bombs do not kill people, people who use ciggerates bombs stds and guns kill people

    Just another example of stupid people needing the government to hold their hand. he's a 14 year old boy, lock him in his room with nothing and sell all his shit to pay back the bitcoins.
  13. Wanderer
    Since the individual is a minor, the parents have vicarious consent to listen to phone calls, open mail, go through computer files, email, etc.

    Be well...
  14. AmbitiousStoner

    As Judge Judy says, the only right a minor has while living in their parent's house is to breathe.

    Years ago, I was in a similar situation, though not specific to drugs. When my nephew was 12 or 13, he stole a large sum of money ($11,000) from a family member. The family member wasn't positive he stole it (assumed/hoped it was a burglar) and notified the police. Unfortunately, all of the evidence pointed in the direction of my nephew and the police began searching for him.

    At that point in my life, I had very little interaction with the police. Maybe I was naïve to believe the police chief when he said my nephew would be treated fairly. Although I didn't work in conjunction with the cops, I searched for my nephew on my own and found him. He confessed to me. After explaining the situation to him along with the legal ramifications, he agreed to turn himself in and I drove him to the police station. To this day, when I think about it, it still breaks my heart.

    Fortunately, most of the money was recovered and the family member chose not to press charges. On the other hand, the police broke nearly every promise they made to me regarding how he would be treated. Unfortunately, it took several additional interactions with the police, often involving the same nephew (which I've written about elsewhere on DF), before my distrust and cynicism towards those that work in law enforcement was realized.

    Does that make me as guilty as the mother in the OP's article? Maybe it does. In retrospect, I should have hired a lawyer to represent him and aid with turning him into the police. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest through the trees.
  15. idfma
    If it happens in the family, it stays in the family. If my kid kills somebody, or otherwise does something illegal that harms/involves someone else, I have a decision to make--that may require law enforcement.

    If it's between us, it stays between us. Letting strangers handle family business never ends well.
  16. mystix36
    She went way overboard, and didn't think of the larger consequences. Now her son may possibly have a criminal charge on his record for years, which could hinder him from receiving education or employment. The "lesson" may very well have worse consequences than the drug use.
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