Muslim woman to be flogged in Malaysia over drinking beer

By Rightnow289 · Jul 21, 2009 · ·
  1. Rightnow289
    KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — An Islamic court in Malaysia has sentenced a Muslim woman to be flogged with a rattan cane for having a beer in a nightclub, a court official said Tuesday.

    It is rare for a woman in Malaysia to be sentenced to caning — a punishment usually reserved for men in various crimes ranging from rape to bribery.
    Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno was sentenced Monday to six lashes and a fine of 5,000 ringgit ($1,400) for consuming alcohol, said a Shariah High Court official who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to make public statements.
    Shukarno, a 32-year-old model, pleaded guilty in the court in eastern Pahang state to a charge of drinking beer when Islamic authorities raided a hotel nightclub in August 2008.
    Consuming alcohol is a religious offense in Malaysia only for Muslims, who make up nearly two-thirds of the population. Offenders are prosecuted in Shariah courts, which handle cases mainly related to family and moral issues for Muslims.
    Most offenders are fined, but the law also provides for a three-year prison term and caning. Shukarno was the only Muslim caught in the raid at the Pahang nightclub.
    Malaysian clubs and lounges typically serve alcohol but are not legally required to check if customers are Muslim before serving them, so the hotel nightclub operators were not charged with any offense.
    Shukarno plans to appeal the sentence, the New Straits Times daily reported.
    The punishment "is aimed at making the accused repent and serves as a lesson to Muslims," the newspaper quoted Judge Abdul Rahman Yunus as saying.
    The judge did not elaborate on why he imposed a relatively severe sentence, but local media noted that he had a history of being tough on alcohol offenders.
    Rattan canes used in the punishment are made from palm plants common in tropical parts of Asia. They have been used for decades for corporal punishments in countries such as Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei.
    The caning sentence is generally carried out by specially trained officials at prisons.
    Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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  1. Master_Khan
    Should have stayed with the Miller Lite.
  2. Nature Boy
    What a fucked up country. Typical religious madness. How would a Malaysian woman go about renouncing her faith? Is it as simple as merely stating you're giving up on Islam (like in any reasonable nation) or is there some kind of drawn-out process that involves scrutiny and the permission of some self-appointed false prophet? Either way, this is a disgrace. It's the kind of thing that belongs in the Bronze Age.
  3. missparkles
    Pick on the person with the least rights and make an example out of her. I notice they didn't prosecute the people serving the alcohol. Yeah I know they don't have to check who is drinking, but they should take some of the responsibility. They keep their license and their profit.
    If it's such a crime alcohol should be banned there. Simple, no alcohol, no laws broken.
    Sparkles is enraged...does it show?:mad:
  4. Pringles
    This is wicked behavior. It will no doubt scare people into following the rules. So many dark places in the world :-( Not all are without torches to shine, I hope it doesn't take too long before people see the light.
  5. missparkles
    Sparkles needed to read this...she's now in touch with her inner bliss.;)
  6. Subvert
    A model in a burqa? That seems a bit futile. :laugh:

    Poor woman, Just another victim of prohibition.
  7. Space Numpty
    Maybe she models Ninja outfits ^^

    The simple reality is, if your Muslim, dont drink alcohol. If you want to drink, stop being Muslim. For SWIM however, that hardly deserves such a "medieval" form of punishment but then certain elements of the Muslim faith (specifically Shariah) they are still stuck firmly in that era.

    Remember though, it not all that long ago that people where suffering the most terrible fates and punishments in the name of the Catholic church, the Protestant chuch and many others. Organised religion has a lot to answer for. Naughty!
  8. fuelBrain
    I dont think this is SO extreme, these countries have very specific rules if you are muslim and she knew what she was getting into. I'm not all for corporal punishment for women, but Muslims take consuming alcohol as a serious offense and they beleive if you want to get to Heaven you shouldnt consume it, so essentially the judge thinks he is doing her a favor by saving her immortal soul. So if she wants to drink, she has to denounce and thats all there is to it, which would be even more of a shame. To denounce your religion to drink..... I think not. Sparkles I have to disagree with you about blaming the dispenser. That is a major diffusion of responsiblity, you can't blameshift. I could see if she got wasted and smashed a car into a schoolbus of kids or something because he "let" her get too drunk, but they simply did not know she was muslim, and if anything, she tried to conceil it. I doubt she was wearing her veil when she was drinking, so in turn the dispenser had absolutely no wrong doing
  9. Yeww
    A liitle late to answer this but the woman in the burka isn't her.I've seen her on the news plus the woman in the pic seems to be caucasian looking.

    Burkas and scarves aren't forced here and there are plenty of those soap or shower gel commercials where malay muslim women or malay mixed european(also muslim) bare their shoulders.I frequently watch such commercials for turn on purposes but of course no one is interested to know about my personal likes and dislikes. :laugh:

    Belly button is a big no-no though.
  10. RoboCodeine7610
    Saudi Arabia is actually way worse believe it or not.Over here all you can get are home-made spirits that are full of methanol and Isopropanol...if you're lucky.
  11. chinpokomaster
    Wow! This woman is quite famous, too. I swear I've seen her on the news loads of times!*

    *joke. No bad rep please.
  12. thegooddr
    the laws are out dated and barbaric, she a model its not as simple as denouncing her religion, if she did that she would more than likely have an
    extremist lynch mob after her who would trow fuming sulfuric acid in her face and her family would disown her and do good knows what to the poor woman.
    the bar man who served her is not to blame its the barbaric religious group she was born into is the problem.
    why not ban religion not just is islamic but all religions, it causes nothing but heartache, death and war. it's just a means of making money, brainwashing people and keeping them under control by scaring them out of there wits with the threat of going to hell for eternity if they step out of line. and if that doesn't work they brutally torcher you like this poor woman, its disgusting!!!
    it's been the blame for the deaths of millions of people here in ireland and in many other countries around the world.
    i cant believe you trying to justify what was done to her and someone actually gave you rep for it.
  13. fuelBrain

    Seriously? Banning religion? What other point would all these people have of living, if we banned religion. In that case there would be no point in living other than gaining power and continuation of your seed. Also, in that case things like murder and stealing would have absolutely no consequence to those who are powerful enough, and it would happen.. a lot. If Islamic beleifs were so barbaric, then over a billion people wouldn't follow them. I used to think that too, until I really understood them. You think they are all brainwashed and they don't know anything about the outside world, when in reality you are the ignorant one. I bet you don't know anything about the Islamic people, other than what you see on the news and read in the newspaper, watch a few episodes of "Rick Steve's" and you will notice they aren't so different. The reason they wear a burqua is because they want their women to stay decent and not show off their body. We used to have decency in the US too, especially in public displays. Look at "I Love Lucy", she wasn't even allowed to be seen in the same bed as her husband on screen. To show a tit in a movie was blasphemy, there was once a debate on cleavage in movies, and they actually MEASURED in inches the amount of cleavage shown just to make shure it was within guidelines. Nowadays it's hard to even find a woman who is a virgin anymore. How many men did your wife/g.f. sleep with? I can bet it was more than 1. So, just because some of the world has changed their morals and lost many of them, doesn't mean you have to persecute the ones who held onto their beleifs. Some of these countries are changing slowly, and eventually they will catch up to some of the world when they are ready, and if anything they are better people because of it(look at the crimerates). Also, an islamic man has a LOT less to worry about when it comes to affairs, their wives are a lot less likely to cheat, even if it's fear that keeps them from doing it, fear keeps the world in order and it always has. Also, what you see is only the public image... at home they dress a lot more casual. I am not Islamic and I don't promote it, but they get a bad rep, especially in the US. Next time you judge just look at the numbers of them, numbers don't lie. Lastly, Alcohol is a dangerous and controlled substance. We banned it in the US at one point in time. Sounds stupid now, but to some people it's serious
  14. Snowman
    What does this actually mean, will there be scars?
  15. ianzombie
    The Dirty Hussy!!
    If Swim caught his girl supping his Dutch Gold the Rattan Cane would be the least of her worries!

    But seriously, its madness.

    But if you believe in the flying space monkeys and their intergalactic mothership then you must also follow their rules.

    Madness i tell's ya!
  16. Routemaster Flash
    I couldn't disagree more. The sentence I've highlighted is just unbelievable - so you support corporal punishment for men for drinking alcohol? That's ridiculous and offensive. The rest of it just relativist drivel, and serves to show that intolerant religious pricks are only part of the problem - there's also their apologists who try to paint it as some kind of natural and healthy cultural expression. So she was "denouncing her religion" by having a drink, was she? Well good for her, I think *everyone* should renounce their religion, especially religions that are legally enforced in such a barbaric way.

    Let's not forget what the Catholic church used to do to people not so very long ago to save their "immortal souls"...


    As thegooddr said, unbelievable that you got positive rep for that. I haven't taken any rep as I can't see any forum guidelines broken, but I think it's an offensive and ill-thought-out post.
  17. jgarlopa
    It is for this reason that I don't have a religion, so I don't have to feel guilty about all the "bad" things that I do...
  18. Snowman
  19. homer2020
    Whether religion serves any purpose in your life people need to be more understanding religion did not cause this violence PEOPLE DID. The religions of the world did not say "kill people in my name" "place ridiculous laws to those not following" "everyone must believe in the same thing" all those things were the people who wanted the power, who had the need to control. I do not believe religion itself is a bad thing, people turned it into a bad thing. It really isn't any different than blamming the company that made the knife that killed your *insert realtive here*, the person is the only one to be blammed.

    Also banning religion???? You realize that would cause war, probably more death than you could imagine. Then all those who choose not to renounce their religion would be persecuted and most likely killed for beliving in such a thing. Actually this doesn't sound like too bad of an idea banning religion would keep them in it's purest form... away from the people who want to control it.
  20. Routemaster Flash
    Well what's religion without people? Religion is a collection of ideas and values people have in their heads, not some natural cosmic Thing that people have picked up on and taken up.

    Haha, you really don't know much about religion, do you? Many religions say exactly those kinds of things. The Old Testament contains quite a large list of sins that carry a divinely-ordained capital sentence (being gay, for example). The famous line "Thou shalt not kill" actually means "Thou shalt not kill other Jews": people of different races and faiths are fair game, as the OT makes abundantly clear. The Qu'ran is notorious for sanctioning violence againts 'infidels'. And many religions, notably Christianity and Islam of course, have an imperative towards proselytising that has formed the basis of centuries of conquest and imperialism. If you think this isn't all of a part with organised religion I think you badly need to take of those rose-tinted specs.

    Eh? At what point did religion "turn into a bad thing"? Presumably some time after the ancient Hebrews were running around the Middle East three or four thousand years ago, committing genocide in the name of Yahweh, right?

    Um, who mentioned banning religion? I certainly didn't. Please read posts and understand them before responding to them.
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