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Nutmeg: Good for Baking & Getting 'Baked'?

By buckcamp, Nov 30, 2010 | | |
  1. buckcamp
    HOUSTON - It may not be the holiday season that’s “making spirits bright” for teenagers. In fact, it could be a high that comes right off your spice rack. Nutmeg can be snorted or smoked or even eaten. In large doses, it can mimic marijuana.

    Parents are probably surprised to learn this. But many teens and their friends already know, since there are “how to” videos on YouTube.
    “It's been around for a long time,” says Stacie Allphin, director of adolescent programs for Memorial Hermann Prevention & Recovery Center.
    “But it's really catching on more and more with the younger people.

    What's happening is the kids are taking about two tablespoons of nutmeg and they're either drinking it or smoking it or snorting it in some cases, thinking that they're going to get high like they would from marijuana.”

    Stacie Allphin: It takes 2 to 5 hours before it kicks in so you're not going to feel that until much later, which can lead to possible overdose of it because you think nothing's happening so you go and you use more. Some of the police reports have said that people have convulsions, a lot of dizziness, dry mouth, nausea the next day, very much flu-like symptoms. And those can go on for 12 to 48 hours after they've used it.

    Stacie Allphin: Typically it's going to be younger people, maybe 11, 12, 13 year olds, someone who's just starting to experiment and looking for something that they can get their hands on. They don't have access to $20, $50, however much money they need to go buy pot or cocaine or something else.

    FOX 26 News: You mentioned some of the shorter-term effects of smoking nutmeg but there are longer-term effects as well?
    Stacie Allphin: You can eventually get liver cancer and have brain lesions and liver lesions. I don't know much you have to use to make that happen but that is the initial finding, so there are some very serious side effects from nutmeg.

    FOX 26 News: You go on YouTube and there are videos showing kids how to build a joint out of nutmeg. Do you think parents know that this is being used like this?

    Stacie Allphin: I would doubt that most parents have any idea that nutmeg or other things in their house are being used for their child to change the way they feel.

    FOX 26 News: When you're talking about other household highs, things people can get around the house, how much do you think parents are clued in to the fact that these can be misused?

    Stacie Allphin: I think parents are more informed than they were, say 10 or 15 years ago, but I still think that there's a large group of people that really aren't aware. Because they think, “okay, I'm going to use the Pledge to dust my furniture.” It would never occur to them to use it for anything other than what it was designed for.

    FOX 26 News: So when they run out quickly, they wouldn't think, “oh, my kid's using it.” They think, “I've been dusting too much."
    Stacie Allphin: Right, right. Spray paints, those kind of things. I think that parents know that that can be abused but they don't always know or believe that it's going to be abused by their child.

    Updated: Monday, 29 Nov 2010, 9:55 PM CST
    Published : Monday, 29 Nov 2010, 9:55 PM CST
    Ned Hibberd, Reporter


  1. Terrapinzflyer
  2. buckcamp
    I cant help but giggle at your response "flyer"; I knew this post would more than likely bring about some interesting opinions and views; although I agree with your "journalism" comment. I still found the article comical and was compelled to post...

    'Till next time!
  3. Moving Pictures
    LOL!!!!!! Wow, that's so silly. On smoking nutmeg- this one needs to go in the "most desperate" thread, but my friend actually rolled a joint of it when he was 12 and tried to smoke it. It wouldn't light. It was really nasty actually. He got one inital hit of nutmeg smoke and it made him choke and gag. It wouldn't stay lit though. He gave up after that and never got high on it.

    He had to read The Autobiography of Malcolm X in school and the book talks about him using it to get high in prison so my friend thought it was a good idea. Frankly, he's glad he didn't get off on it, it doesn't sound very good now that he's read about it.

    I've read several TRs on people using it to get high and have never once heard of anyone snorting or smoking it, much less getting high like that. Two tbs is a shit ton of powder. Probably ten grams or so. I'd like to see someone snort that much nutmeg, lol.

    What a dumbass article. Most kids probably had no idea about this until they read this article or heard it on the news. It seems like in a big city like Houston there would be much more to report on than freaking nutmeg.
  4. phenythylamine
    wow fox should really be embarrassed. you cant get high by smoking nutmeg, or snorting nutmeg. you can get a "high," if you can call it that, by eating enough nutmeg to make you puke, and if you get to that amount, you will really really really regret it the next morning, its like a hangover X 10.

    however on a side note, nutmeg oil high in myristicin and/or elemicin can actually be quite a pleasant experience, very psychedelic, much less nauseating.
  5. buckcamp
    And here is one going in Memphis, TN currently...

    Teens Using Nutmeg to Get High

    MEMPHIS, Tenn. - A popular holiday ingredient used to make pies and cakes is making quite a buzz these days. The Georgia Poison Center reports more kids are using nutmeg to get high.

    When you think of nutmeg, you think sweet potato pies and pudding.
    Now, kids are using it to get baked. They smoke it, snort it, drink it, and even eat it.

    "That's a shock to us. Oh my god. Nutmeg. You can't even buy nutmeg these days," said Reba Hendrix.

    A YouTube video shows a guy turning up an entire bottle. Then he downs it with water that has nutmeg also mixed in.

    "It's kind of like a YouTube sensation that's going around where I guess people heard they could get high off it so they smoke it then film the effects after," said Kayla Stegall, a U of M student.

    Experts say it takes a tablespoon or more to experience any effect and takes about 15 to 20 minutes for those effects to kick in.

    The Georgia Poison Center said the effects are unhealthy and extremely dangerous. These effects include; nausea, vomiting, stomach pains, convulsions, palpitations, dizziness, dehydration, dry mouth, body pain, insomnia and constipation.

    "My nutmeg experience-I would do it again because while I was high or suppose to be high, I was sleeping," said one You tuber.

    This girl who also posted a video said she slept for three days straight after eating nutmeg.

    "I mean it's a kitchen spice. Why would you sniff a kitchen spice," said David Penh.

    "I think it's pretty silly yeah. I don't see any reason why you would want to do that in the first place," said Andrew Rivers.

    "it's actually going to take someone getting high off it, going to the hospital and probably die for them to do something about it," said Ashley Hendrix. "I mean what's next. I think it's sad. I think it's sad."

    Experts are urging parents to keep a close eye on their cabinet goods when cooking this holiday season.

    Updated: Tuesday, 30 Nov 2010, 9:59 PM CST
    Published : Tuesday, 30 Nov 2010, 8:25 PM CST
  6. JonnyMcJonny
    Swim tried it a few times just so he could cross it off the list. Actually he found it quite enjoyable.
    Swim took 4 tablespoons washed down with chocolate milk and waited. He'd read some of the trip reports for nutmeg online, and it seemed to kick in from anywhere from an hour to 5 hours, so was expecting a wait. After about 4, he got bored of waiting and had a bath and brushed his hair and headed out to the pub, and on the way (about 6 hours after ingestion) he started to feel that kind of nice feeling music gives you when you're high on weed, dunno how to describe it better. It gradually got stronger from there until he was just sat mesmerised by the tv in the pub. The closest drug to it swim can think of would probably be weed or i suppose some sort of cannabinoid. Swim isn't saying it's like weed, but it does have some similarities.
    Anyways, later on swim went home and was just content to lie on the floor and he felt really relaxed. Randomly after what felt like an hour or so of chilling out his mellowness was disturbed by that nasty 'aww fuck i'm gonna spew' feeling, so he ran to the shite house and spewed violently for about 20 minutes. After that swim felt amazing again, but really thirsty. Actually, Swim forgot to mention the drymouth it causes.
    Anyways, swim decided to head to bed. He woke up the next day feeling stoned like from marijuana, except with a slight pounding headache.
    This stoned feeling lasted him for most of the day, until mid afternoon.

    Oh yeah, and while we're on the subject of nutmeg? Has anyone seen this
    'activated nutmeg' stuff for sale online? One of swims mates is adamant that nutmeg has to be activated before it's of any use outside the kitchen, but swim suspects it of being lies. Must point out here that swim just used your regular off the shelf 50g tub of ground nutmeg powder.
  7. Revolvingdoo
    Darn kids and their experimentation, always looking to replicate marijuana, why can't they just raid their parents medicine cupboard for their oxies and xanax bars?
    /sarcasm off.
  8. Guttz
    Stupid Drug Story of the Week

    The nutmeg scare.

    Lock up your children! Incinerate the contents of your spice rack! A new drug menace is sweeping the land, and its name is nutmeg!

    [imgl=white]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=18461&stc=1&d=1292373569[/imgl]We know this because the press, which thinks its duty is to keep you cowering in fright, has discovered that teens and others are gleaning from the family's spice collection the wretched experience that is a nutmeg high. Newspapers (Atlanta Journal-Constitution; New York Post), television broadcasters (CNN; ABC in Tampa; ABC in Miami), radio (WSB in Atlanta), and the Web have sounded the warning this month with their brief and frenetic pieces. The common theme in the pieces is that "kids" are doing the substance and that it's cheap and readily available, hence the end of the world has come.

    Can you reach an altered state of consciousness by eating, snorting, or smoking from a tin of nutmeg? You betcha. The medical literature ("Nutmeg Intoxication," New England Journal of Medicine, July 4, 1963; "Nutmeg as a Narcotic," Angewandte Chemie International Edition, June 1971) has long respected the psychoactive powers of this compound.

    Peter Stafford's Psychedelics Encyclopedia uncovers an 1883 report from Mumbai noting that "the Hindus of West India take [nutmeg] as an intoxicant." Stafford continues, "Nutmeg has been used for centuries as a snuff in rural eastern Indonesia; in India, the same practice appears, but often the ground seed is first mixed with betel and other kinds of snuff." In 1829, a Czech physiologist named Jan Evangelista Purkinje washed down three ground nutmegs with a glass of wine and experienced headaches, nausea, euphoria, and hallucinations that lasted several days, which remain a good description of today's average nutmeg binge. One anecdotal report: A drug-savvy friend of mine compares his one nutmeg high to being keelhauled by a freight train on a transcontinental run. He didn't like it, but the substance has its enthusiasts.

    Harvard ethnobotanist Richard Evans Schultes and chemist Albert Hofmann (father of LSD) wrote of nutmeg's ubiquity in Western culture in their 1980 book The Botany and Chemistry of Hallucinogens. "Confirmed reports of its use by students, prisoners, sailors, alcoholics, marijuana smokers, and other deprived of their preferred drugs are many and clear. Especially frequent is the taking of nutmeg in prisons, notwithstanding the usual denials by prison officials." (Malcolm X speaks of getting high on nutmeg "and the other semi-drugs" while serving time in prison in The Autobiography of Malcolm X.) It has been used as medicine since at least the seventh century and was employed as an abortifacient at the end of the 19th century, which resulted in numerous cases of nutmeg poisoning, according to medical journals. Although used as a folk treatment for other ailments, nutmeg has no proven medicinal value today.

    According to the Angewandte Chemie International Edition article, nutmeg became popular among young people, bohemians, and prisoners in the post-World War II period, "and this use was mainly, if not exclusively, confined to the USA." A 1966 New York Times piece (subscription required) named it along with morning glory seeds, diet aids, cleaning fluids, cough medicine, and others substances as alternative highs on college campuses.

    As you skim your way through Nexis, nutmeg intoxication pops up again and again—not so much because users become reacquainted with its drug properties, but because the press does. Its current media bump probably has as much to do with the plethora of nutmeg testimonials now running on YouTube as anything. (The current press accounts usually mention the YouTube connection.)

    How prevalent is nutmeg use? This sensible if incomplete ABC News piece undercuts the idea that nutmeg use is rampant: Only 67 cases of nutmeg exposure have been recorded by the American Association of Poison Control Centers this year, compared with 5,000 phone calls for marijuana. Aside from the drumroll of nutmeg press reports, I can find no evidence that its use is actually increasing.

    How dangerous is nutmeg use? It's hard to tell from reading the popular press. The only place in the medical literature that I found statistics on death by nutmeg intoxication was the March 2005 edition of Emergency Medicine Journal, which cited another journal: An 8-year-old died from nutmeg at the beginning of the 20th century and a 55-year-old died similarly at the beginning of the 21st century.

    The authors of the Emergency Medicine Journal assume—correctly, I think—that nutmeg deaths have been underreported. So nobody should seize on these two lone deaths to prove the "safety" of nutmeg use. But at the same time, the recent wave of nutmeg reporting brings us no substantive study about the temporary or lasting damage it does to users. (I am, however, curious to know more about how nutmeg smokers are fairing. Until the most recent reports surfaced, I had never heard of nutmeg smoking. When drugs that were previously swallowed or inhaled start to be smoked, catastrophe can occur. I see nothing on smoking nutmeg in the medical database PubMed. Editors: Please assign this piece!)

    Historically, the biggest brake on the use of nutmeg has been the overwhelming unpleasantness of the experience. As the July 1988 Journal of Accident & Emergency Medicine puts it, when nutmeg is taken in excess "a typical and unpleasant clinical syndrome ensues."

    "This," the Journal authors conclude, "is why nutmeg abuse is virtually unheard of nowadays, with teenagers more likely to encounter it at the dinner table than on the street corner."

    By Jack Shafer
    Posted Tuesday, Dec. 14, 2010, at 5:51 PM ET
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