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Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotence Be

By Potter, Mar 12, 2012 | | |
  1. Potter
    Part of a trend, she likens the bill to men legislating ‘a woman’s womb.’

    Before getting a prescription for Viagra or other erectile dysfunction drugs, men would have to see a sex therapist, receive a cardiac stress test and get a notarized affidavit signed by a sexual partner affirming impotency, if state Sen. Nina Turner has her way.

    The Cleveland Democrat introduced Senate Bill 307 this week.

    A critic of efforts to restrict abortion and contraception for women, Turner says she is concerned about men’s reproductive health. Turner’s bill joins a trend of female lawmakers submitting bills regulating men’s health. Turner said if state policymakers want to legislate women’s health choices through measures such as House Bill 125, known as the “Heartbeat bill,” they should also be able to legislate men’s reproductive health. Ohio anti-abortion advocates say the two can’t be compared.

    Heartbeat bill sponsor Rep. Lynn Wachtmann, R-Napoleon, said comparing his bill to Turner’s would be like comparing apples to bananas. The Heartbeat bill would prohibit abortion once a heartbeat is detected, as early as six weeks into a pregnancy.

    “I understand some women think my bill is a personal affront,” Wachtmann said. “Protecting the unborn — to compare this to Viagra is not even related.”

    Under Senate Bill 307, men taking the drugs would continue to be tested for heart problems, receive counseling about possible side effects and receive information about “pursuing celibacy as a viable lifestyle choice.”

    “Even the FDA recommends that doctors make sure that assessments are taken that target the nature of the symptoms, whether it’s physical or psychological,” Turner said. “I certainly want to stand up for men’s health and take this seriously and legislate it the same way mostly men say they want to legislate a woman’s womb.”

    States passed a record 92 abortion-related bills in 2011, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that focuses on reproductive health. At the same time, fewer than one in four state legislators nationwide are women — they number 23 percent in Ohio — according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

    By Jackie Borchardt, Columbus Bureau



  1. VagabondWraith
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    What a potential boon for the illicit online drug mail order business; I'm sure those rascals are all for it.
  2. no eff eks
    Why exactly some politicians insist on further restricting access to substances that are already under the jurisdiction/supervision of the FDA and highly trained medical professionals is something I can't understand. Clearly Viagra is a problem for some moralist busybodies simply because of its intended (sexual) use. I mostly am saddened that these kinds of people dominate politics from every side.
  3. VagabondWraith
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    As someone else (I forget who) pointed out, most people who go to the polls and actually vote (and therefore get these nanny state promoting, self righteous wingnut control freaks into office) tend to be the radicals of both parties. Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly) most of the voters of both parties are very similar in their desires and outlooks, and are much more level headed and reasonable, but these masses rarely get to the voting booths due to (understandable) cynicism, despondency, hopelessness, and constant disappointment. Ergo, these moralist busybodies of both parties get voted in, making the situation worse.
  4. dyingtomorrow
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    Good for her - best way to make the point I've heard of yet. The celibacy counseling touch was priceless. Hit those creepy old vagina-legislating males where they'll pay attention: their limp, crusty, viagra needing dicks.
  5. Basoodler
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    She is just trying to get the goat of the conservative old bastards putting up legislation to stop abortion..

    Just a bunch of political crap.
  6. VagabondWraith
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    True, about the creepy old vagina-legislating males. Bad form, and very unwise way to show it though, by further fucking with the rights of your john-q citizen to make a point, however valid the point is, which in this case, it is I believe. However, the method of proving it is like cutting your nose off to spite your face; and once you take the rights away from people via legislation, it's very hard to then repeal that legislation to get them back.

    I don't think in this case though, the legislation will pass, just as I hope the original fucked up legislation targeting abortion rights won't become law. I think her point was made in just drawing it up in the first place.
  7. Basoodler
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    Its ohio man, the only abortion clinics left have an entire catholic church standing outside with picket signs. Most people have to go to bordering states to do the deed. Don't get me wrong there are clinics here but they are forced to hide and move around like crack houses..

    The main issue is the polarization between urban areas and rural.. you go from uber liberal in places like cincy and columbus.. to christian conservative right outside the city..
  8. C.D.rose
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    Phewww, difficult issue. While I totally agree with Ms. Turner on rejecting bills such as the Heartbeat Bill, I'm not sure whether proposing bogus legislation that reads more like satire is the way to do that. The point is, and on that Conservatives like Ms. Wachtmann are actually right, legislation on drugs for erectile dysfunction isn't the same as legislation on abortion. Or at least it isn't if you consider the moment of conception to be the beginning of life.

    There are so many things one could point out about the hypocrisy or even idiocy of the right when it pretends that it is the legitimate defense of God's creation. One that I thought about the other day was how hypocritical it is that GOP presidential candidates were presenting themselves as "pro-life", when it's actually "pro-human life" (and actually even "pro-innocent human life"). Noone of them gives a shit about all those animals that are indeniably part of "God's creation" but that will fall victim to environmentally-unfriendly economic policies. (Think the BP oil spill, and the potential for similar catastrophes with the Keystone XL pipeline.) But let's leave that aside. The fact is that a considerable part of the American public has problems with abortion.

    Liberals and feminists are not going to win this debate if they let themselves be dragged half-across the table before even beginning to negotiate. They have to stand up and say "look, as terrible as it is, the right to have an abortion is a fundamental women's right. We want there to be as little abortions as possible, which is why we will spend a lot of money on sexual health education and prevention measures, but it is ultimately in the right of every woman out there to make her own decisions about a possible unwanted pregnancy." Does it disturb me to a certain degree that an abortion kills what would one day be a human being like me or others? Yes. Does that mean that that gives me the right to infringe on a woman's right to self-determination? No, absolutely not. I practically don't hear any politicians make that point, probably for fear that FOX News is going to run a soundbite of them that will cost them their re-election.

    I don't want to come across as snobbish, but this is basically an American problem. Over the past weeks I have been wondering what it would be like to transplant this debate from the USA into one of the Western European countries whose affairs I follow more or less closely. It's basically really not possible. For bills currently discussed both in Congress (such as the Blunt Bill) and in state Senates (such as the pre-modification Virginia Ultrasound Bill), you would not even find a majority within the center-right Christian "big tent" parties. A real public debate on those issues wouldn't even take place because these ideas would be considered too radical.

    I don't know what it is that is happening in the United States, but I find it scary.
  9. VagabondWraith
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    True, I don't live there, and have never visited, and don't want to either, so I'm not familiar with the demographics of the state. Thanks for the breakdown of it. If the abortion clinic scene is as bleak as you say, I can understand more the impetus behind her methodology, however I still think it's the wrong way to approach the issue, even though her point is valid.
  10. Potter
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    ***Press Release***

    March 2, 2012

    Senator Turner Introduces Legislation to Protect Men’s Health

    Bill modeled after similar legislation to help women make informed decisions
    (Columbus) –State Senator Nina Turner (D-Cleveland) announced legislation today that would protect men in Ohio from the risks of PDE-5 inhibitors, drugs commonly used to treat symptoms of impotence. Turner’s legislation would include provisions to document that the symptoms are not psychological in nature, and would guide men to make the right decision for their bodies. Physicians would be required to obtain a second opinion from a psychological professional to verify that a patient has a true medical malady before the medication could be prescribed.

    “The men in our lives, including members of the General Assembly, generously devote time to fundamental female reproductive issues—the least we can do is return the favor,” Senator Turner said. “It is crucial that we take the appropriate steps to shelter vulnerable men from the potential side effects of these drugs.”

    The legislation follows the FDA’s recommendation that the evaluation of erectile dysfunction should include a determination of potential underlying causes and the identification of appropriate treatment following a complete medical assessment. Similar bills to more closely regulate reproductive health issues have been introduced in the state legislatures of Virginia, Oklahoma, Idaho, and most recently Pennsylvania.

    “When a man makes a crucial decision about his health and his body, he should be fully aware of the alternative options and the lifetime repercussions of that decision,” Senator Turner said today. Men will be more easily guided through the process of obtaining treatment for sexual impotence so they can better understand and more effectively address their condition.

    PDE-5 inhibitors can carry serious side effects such as priapism, hearing loss, and vision loss, and can be detrimental to men with heart problems, including heart pain, abnormal heart rhythms, high or low blood pressure, or a history of stroke.

    “By implementing more intensive screenings before prescribing the medication and requiring outpatient educational services, we can do more to prevent the potential side effects linked to PDE-5 inhibitors,” Senator Turner explained. “We must advocate for the traditional family, protect the sanctity of procreation, and ensure that all men using

    PDE-5 inhibitors are healthy, stable, and educated about their options—including celibacy as a viable life choice. This legislation will do just that.”

  11. no eff eks
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    lol I should apparently work on my reading comprehension (see my previous post itt)... anyway, I tip my hat to this senator... Using sarcasm to combat mindless sexism is especially satisfying given the condescending treatment of male politicians that feel the need to protect women from scary birth control and possible abortions.
  12. coolhandluke
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    i dont see how the catholic anti abortion goonies couldn't back this. if some old 60 year old needs viagra to bang his wife they are not doing so in order to have a kid, which is the only jesus approved reason to fuck your wife. it is true men are fertile into their 60s-70s but since its also against the catholic law to divorce your wife most 60 to 70 year old men are not going to be married to a fertile woman unless they divorce their original wife and find some gold digger.

    anyway this is never going to pass into law, and its a great way to show people the hypocrisy of the heartbeat law and shit like that.

    my favorite part also was "pursuing abstinence as a viable lifestyle choice". hahahahhaha
  13. Basoodler
    Re: Ohio Bill Would Require Men Submit Affidavit From Sex Partner Confirming Impotenc

    I can tell just from the evening news preview its going to be spun into a "democrats trying to pass another useless law to imopse on your rights, they are going to turn us into communists".

    Which is probably not what she was going for. While I agree with the intent she had in drafting this.. we have an election coming in a year and its not safe to feed the wild animals.

    I may be wrong.. I will see at 10pm.
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