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Packaging says it's potpourri, but police say it's deadly

  1. Terrapinzflyer
    NEW ORLEANS -- Narcotics investigators describe it as a hallucinogenic speed, and it's openly sold to anyone in convenience stores.

    It's called Cloud Nine.

    "This stuff is deadly, and it's dangerous," said St. Tammany District Attorney Walter Reed.

    Cloud Nine is sold as potpourri. The packaging calls it bath salt.

    "It is sold as a potpourri," Walter Reed said. "The manufacturers know it's not a potpourri. Our kids know it's not a potpourri. And we know of two deaths that have been caused by Cloud Nine. Two suicides."

    Drug abusers can smoke it, but more often it's snorted or injected.

    Narcotics detectives liken it to PCP, a speed that can cause hallucinations.

    "From what I understand from the informants on the street that are hardcore drug abusers, this is the worst drug they've ever had," said Captain Harry O'Neal of the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's Department. "The symptoms that they describe having are similar to what PCP, phencyclidine did, back when it was prevalent."

    "This stuff is like nothing the sheriff and I have ever seen," Reed said. "It will keep people completely messed up for as long as six days."

    Walter Reed is now on a campaign to get Cloud Nine off the streets. He hopes to have the state legislature declare it, and all similar over the counter designer drugs, illegal.

    He also said he plans to meet with representatives of the FDA and the DEA.

    In the meantime, he and Sheriff Jack Strain are asking convenience store owners to voluntarily take Cloud Nine and White Dove, which he said is the same product in different packaging, off their shelves.

    Cloud Nine sprouted when Mojo became illegal.

    "Once it got out that the Mojo was going to be controlled," O'Neal said, "then all of a sudden this started showing up in the amount that it has been."

    Cloud Nine, according to Captain O'Neal, is far more dangerous than Mojo.

    Reed called a press conference Monday to talk about the dangers of Cloud Nine because he said, he wanted parents to be aware of what's out there.

    by Doug Mouton / Northshore Bureau Chief
    Posted on December 6, 2010 at 6:21 PM


    There is a 2 minute news video clip embedded in the story linked to above.


  1. tswift2
    "Once it got out that the Mojo was going to be controlled," O'Neal said, "then all of a sudden this started showing up in the amount that it has been."

    Cloud Nine, according to Captain O'Neal, is far more dangerous than Mojo."

    One may expect the Captain to take the next logical step, but one would be mistaken. In a typical "law-and-order" style nonsensical position, the Captain notes the economic theory of substitution, but is still wildy screaming to ban "bath salts".

    Is it possible that education, regulation against minor's using, and mandating complete chemical ingredient list on packaging would curb use, or the problems thereof? Not according to these officers of the law. The only sensible solution of course is to push it to the black market and make way for it's-likely more dangerous-substitute.
  2. 80sbaby
    ok first off this article is a lie!!!

    yes all this shit is happenning, but the products are not being marketed as potporri.
    they are being marketed as bath salts! period!
    the only reason you are saying anything about potporri, is because you are still pissed off that the potporri in ur stores is selling and legal!
    basically what shes trying to do for politcal or news purposes, the parish is bundling up their 2 problems into 1 coverage! you get it, shes trying to make potporri illegal, by claiming that this very bad bath salt is being marketed as the potporri, when in fact the potporri is not all that bad, and yes i do agree the bath salts are riskier.
  3. phenythylamine
    whats in this stuff, sounds to me like dissociative RCs are making it into headshops, either that or whatever idiot wrote this artical is even more of an idiot that previously thought.
  4. Killa Weigha
    You aren't the only one who doesn't know apparently

    Wonder how long these "Narcotics detectives" have been "detecting" narcotics? Perhaps Human Resources should start "detecting" whether or not applicants posess or at least have the capacity to learn basic narcotics "detecting" skills?
  5. phenythylamine
    Im sure its mephedrone, its not like PCP but the news has to have some reason to demonize it I guess, and yeah, these detectives need to think about a new career, perhaps suicide (By PCP overdose), I dont know :laugh:.
  6. Terrapinzflyer
    Whether it is being marketed as potpourri or bathsalts is irrelevant- they are little more then words being used to circumvent the "human consumption" issue.

    And its really no surprise these people don't really know what they are talking about- the non user community is often misinformed - and the psychosis caused by (ab)use of some of these products could well be attributed to stimulants or dissociatives by the ill informed.

    The real issue under all this is that powerful RC's are being openly sold, often to teens, and both state and federal Governments will not tolerate this. The brazen public sales and flaunting of loopholes in the law will only lead to stricter laws and closing of loopholes. This kind of activity is not the way to go about reform of unjust drug laws, and will ultimately cause more harm then good. There is a good reason why the DPA, NORML, and other drug policy reform groups have distanced themselves from RC's.

    The community is shooting themselves in the foot- out of a combination of ignorance and greed.
  7. phenythylamine
    ^^ are you saying that RCs should not be available to us, or just not available to people under the age of 18 (which I completely agree with.)
    I think if vendors where more responsible they would at least ID people, and be up front about the chemicals the product contains.
  8. Terrapinzflyer
    I am saying that in the current political/social reality, where even marijuana is still a schedule I drug, RC's need to remain out of the mainstream consciousness or they will be banned.

    If they must be sought out and tracked down they may well be left alone, but when they are as easy to get as going to the corner gas station the general public and lawmakers / law enforcement will react.

    And that frankly, there are much more pressing issues of drug policy reform that need to be tackled before the public/lawmakers will be ready for substances with little to no data to support their use / safety.

    MDMA, 2C-B, 2C-t-7, GHB, Salvia, now the synthetic cannabinoids and "bath salts" all existed for sometime without issue and got banned- either at state or federal levels, when their use became too widespread to ignore, and folks started ending up in hospitals.
  9. imyourlittlebare
    Unfortunately, drugs, sex, and violence sell. And in a market where the media really needs a good story (news papers dying, a million different online news vendors), there has to be stories like this to catch people's attention (even if the facts are generally wrong or the facts are stretched to make a better story). Im sure many DEA agents dont mind, particularly since that DEA watchlist of drugs didnt lead to any scheduling of substances. It took news articles to make that happen (GHB and ketamine being used in date rape or look how long salvia was on the list).

    Fortunately, many news stations have yet to report on this issue. But stories like these are becoming more frequent. Its only a matter of time before a good story with two or three of the necessary combos makes it to a major news outlet (crazed man on PCP like drug rapes wife and kills children). Its bound to happen unfortunately because, whether or not the drug was avaliable, someone somewhere was going to rape their wife and kill their kids for whatever reason. Drugs are just a nice touch and catch peoples interests a lot more than a typical murder/rape.

    Im not all for drugs but I find this disgusting especially when a majority of those hooked on the articles would argue we have free will and a higher power gave it to us. Thanks to unconscious processes of media, social influences, and the behavioral mechanisms which control us, those articles are of interest to those individuals.

    A little bit of a rant. But still, disgusting. Ive said my piece.
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