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paracetamol - no more dangerous a drug out there.

By soundoffear, Aug 2, 2008 | | |
  1. soundoffear
    I know some warnings come with a wink/nod... but when it comes to paracetamol theres no messing about. I know this has been mentioned before but to see it in the news may bring it home as it did for SWIM.

    SWIM thought that there was a bit of a buffer zone when it comes to recommended doses but it does NOT apply to paracetamol as it seems. SWIM was pretty shocked with the below artical, especially for anyone who knows of peeps who do CWE or the like please take note :

    http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=214929&in_page_id=34


    laterSkaters.

    PS admins if this should belong in the another area please redirect, i think its well worth noting for all have SPTK using Cold water Ex.

Comments

  1. drug-bot
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    just to clarify for those of us living in the usa paracetamol is called acetaminophen here.
  2. soundoffear
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    Cool Cool, just think that it should be noted world wide anyways, SWIM would never imagine 500mg over the recommended dosage ( continuous over two days ) could cause fatal liver damage!

    Is this common knowledge??

    I take it acetaminophen in the US is as common a painkiller as paracetamol in the UK? paracetamol is pretty much the number 1 when it comes to the standard run of the mill painkiller in the UK?
  3. tryptamaster
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    Yea in the us acetiminophen is very common for minor pain.
  4. Panthers007
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    Paracetamol (acetaminophen - commonly called Tylenol in the USA) causes more deaths than any other drug on the planet - prescribed or otherwise. Your chances of knowing someone who dies from this drug are about 50/50.

    But don't use cannabis for pain - it's bad for you!
  5. Ontherooftops
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    A reference for that would be great Panthers.

    It would be nice to know how much half a tablet was in terms of mg. Swim has seen pills ranging from 200-500mg, she could have been taking between 1600 and 4000mg a day
  6. fiveleggedrat
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    " Advisory body the Commission on Human Medicines said: 'Unfortunately, there is no medication that is 100 per cent safe.'"

    Too bad they can't have that attitude with anything but this garbage.
  7. Panthers007
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    Oh Lordy! I found that out years ago. I'm sure you can find it via some inventive Googling. Nothing has changed.

    I have known many people who assumed that as it's over-the-counter that no such thing as an overdose is possible. A friend of mine lost his sister to this chemical. Be very careful.
  8. soundoffear
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    I think everyone is aware that Paracetamol/Tylenol has its dangers but half a tablet over the recommended dosage can be lethal??!
    Girl in the article, ( taking no other medication )

    1 tablet = 500mg paracetamol

    Day 1, 8 Tablets - ( recommended max - 8 tablets ) - still has flu, poor girl.
    Day 2, 8 1/2 Tablets - ( recommended max - 8 tablets ) - liver failure and death.


    That sounds crazy to me, even if the girl in the article was overly susceptive to it, it still seems very very dodgy.

    Like i was saying AWKA doing CWE's should take extreme note of the above article.
  9. snapper
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    SWIM thinks this stuff is evil. Having helped treat overdoses, SWIM knows that they are very hard to control once the paracetamol starts to be metabolized, and liver failure once it has set in is often irreversible. Once the damage is done the only option left is to salvage, and if there is < 10% liver function, you're likely f&*ed unless someone has a spare liver. Very safe at recommended doses, but overshoot a little and it becomes a huge problem.
    SWIM uses only ibuprofen as a painkiller, and/or aspirin as an antipyretic. SWIM will take the ulcers over the liver DZ anyday! SWIM also CWE's all narcotics where it is an additive - usually when used at recommended doses as painkiller, since SWIM gave up on recreational opiate use years ago.
  10. welshmick
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    must be easy to kill u self with this stuff, don't do it :(
  11. Bajeda
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    It is the most common cause of acute liver failure so far as pharmaceuticals go, accounting for 41% of adult cases in the US.

    Not sure about death rate from this substance, but I'm sure that chronic alcohol abuse combined with excessive APAP use has caused plenty of people substantial liver damage.
  12. Heretic.Ape.
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    please include the text of articles, links die over time.

  13. Stephenwolf
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    you'd think ibuprofen would have taken over by now... its significantly less toxic and in studies has been found to be either as or more effective than paracetamol.
  14. Panthers007
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    The main obstacle to ibuprofen is that it can cause stomach problems similar to aspirin. Not to everyone - but a significant percentage.
  15. snapper
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    ibuprofen is a better analgesic than acetominophen, but acetominophen is the best antipyretic of the antiinflammatories.
    Ibuprofen when used regularly has a 70% chance of causing some gastrointestinal ulceration, but it is far kinder to the liver. Side effects of large overdoses are ulcers which can lead to GI perforations and peritonitis. Very large doses cause kidney failure.
    SWIM's pain reliever of choice has always been ibuprofen.
  16. purplehaze
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    Who's doing a CWE on Tylenol? And WHY?
  17. soundoffear
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    The stronger OTC painkillers in the UK come with around 12.6 mg of codine usually mixed with around 500mg of Paracetamol/Tylenol(acetaminophen).
  18. cra$h
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    swim's scared of acetomenophine. swim would take it for a headache, the recomended dose, and would get a stomache ache, so swim would be going through a thousand tums. for swim it's like picking the lesser of 2 evils, and considering the damage it does to your liver, it's not even worth the shit of a dog.
  19. purplehaze
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    Thanks, I was unaware of this. In the U.S. We can't buy codeine OTC. We just get the death chemical acetaminophen.
  20. cra$h
    Re: paracetamol - no dangerous a drug out there.

    I don't even think codeine is perscribed at all in the states. just oxy/hydrocodone, but not strait codeine.
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