Police raid 600 homes in Switzerland, Austria and Germany for GBL

By westmeetseast · Jul 9, 2008 · ·
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  1. Lunar Loops
    Re: GBL bust in Germany

    We appreciate the story thanks, but could you please post the whole article into the message (in English form).
  2. westmeetseast
    Re: GBL bust in Germany

    According to this CNN article..http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/07/09/germany.ghb.ap/

    [h1]Date-rape drugs police raid 600 premises[/h1]

    BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- German investigators say police searching for chemicals used to make the date-rape drug GHB have raided some 600 homes and offices in Austria, Switzerland and Germany.
    The raids followed months of investigation launched after police became suspicious of online orders for GBL, a chemical found in industrial cleaners, Bavarian state investigators said.
    The GBL orders were placed to a chemical company near Munich and another in northern Germany, investigators said.
    Swiss police on Wednesday searched a number of houses in 17 cantons, or states, the country's Federal Police Office said. Some of the searched premises allegedly housed laboratories for the production of synthetic drugs, the office said.
    In Austria, Interior Ministry spokesman Rudolf Gollia said three houses were searched in the states of Carinthia, Lower Austria and Styria, where a possible drug lab was found.
  3. radiometer
    Re: GBL bust in Germany

    Raided 600 homes? That's some pretty deep doo-doo!
  4. Alfa
    Re: GBL bust in Germany

    German police is pretty advanced with online investigations and online entrapment methods.
    At the end of last year they raided over 200 customers of a online growshop.
    Around the same time, they also closed down drogen-forum.de , the largest German drugs-forum. The reason: illegal activity by PM. The board was pretty tight on rules.

    Chances are pretty big that this raid on 600 homes is related to certain closed sources discussion boards (those that list illegal sources).
  5. 0utrider
    Re: GBL bust in Germany

    especially since at least one of the stores was not an actual "drug store" but a serious chemicals supplier.. considering gbl is not illegal just ghb its quite a heavy attack against personal freedom in SWIMs point of view..
    also he heard that some people who ordered bzp before (!) it got scheduled were raided as well
  6. radiometer
    Thanks for your perspective! We here at DF have been trying to warn people for years about the risks of ordering GHB/GBL, it's too bad more people wouldn't listen.

    And thanks for the heads-up.
  7. 0utrider
    well but on the other hand nobody will become sentenced for just having a few (hundred)ml of gbl, it will be ghb or chemicals to synthezise it or just randomly other drugs/chemicals/items related to drug-crimes..
    if SWIY would just be gbl addicted and having just a bit for himself at all the time and nothing else he wouldnt have to worry, even though, on the other hand, a search including "stealing" your computer etc for at least a few weeks is never nice..
  8. westmeetseast
    Those are extremely interesting posts...

    SWIM thinks he might have been spared from some unwanted house searches through diplomatic immunity, but isn't sure...

    Lesson learned: Just because something was ordered legally doesn't mean that you can't in trouble for it...
  9. vinylmesh
    I hate the way they call it "the date rape drug".

    Every sedative can be used as a date rape drug.

    There have only been a few cases of GHB being used as a date-rape drug.By far the biggest date-rape drug is alcohol.
  10. Aminator
    This thread scared the living shit out of me when I read it two days ago. I did not pity the 200 people that were raided after ordering from another online shop (chemonline IIRC) two years ago, since they almost *exclusively* sold explosive precursors, and even to minors. This *could* not be legal.

    But that the same happened to a real ('limited') trading company with a whole dedicated storage building, one with all the permits, one that had existed for years and that survived a police visit in the past with *all* customers unaffected except for only *one* individual who had made drugs - this was something I would never have guessed.

    Holy shit 600 raids - do I have to say I phoned kitty and she spent last night 'cleaning' her lab from any precursors that might be suspicious? She could not bring herself to pour her nitroethane, PhCHO and BuNH2 down the drain though - but it's surely stashed away in a remote place now.
  11. silenius
    I wrote about this here on 09-07-2008, 13:42:

    A follow up on the GBL-related raids was published in the German magazine Telepolis (http://www.heise.de/tp/ )

    If someone with more time could translate this writeup, that would be great. The author tells the story of some of the victims of that raid and how ridiculously stupid the police acted.

    A fundamental comment on the efficiency of the German police, which was praised by someone in this thread:

    [h2] 1600 police-men raiding 235 homes [/h2]
    * 2 professional plantations found (> 1000 plants)
    * 9 big plantations found (100 to 1000 plants)
    * 66 small plantations ( < 100 plants)
    * 158 raids did not yield anything

    The numbers are taken from a German article on this topic, published by Steffen Geyer (http://www.usualredant.de) for the German Hemp Association (http://www.hanfverband.de) : http://hanfverband.de/aktuell/meldung_1201705079.html

    [h2] The GBL raids [/h2]
    * The GBL-raids looked great in the news, though for at least one case, the presence of the media made the police overact (evacuation of houses due to "potential explosives" being found - after having gathered around the shaky table and examined it for quite some time)
    * There are actually plenty of valid (read: legal) reasons to have GBL....
    * results: let's see

    To finish my rant about the "efficiency" of police: If we consider a hit-rate of 30%, then they are successful. But as in some areas of Germany 30% of the population (llegally) don't pay for watching TV, we might as well just raid every single home and we will find something. Question is.... do we really want to live in a country where police does not require proper cause to search our homes?
  12. FrankenChrist

    Of chemicals, aquariums, explosives and drugs

    Twister (Bettine winsemann) 02 08 2008

    The raids that were officially all about explosives and the “rape drugGBL once again turn out to be nothing but hysteria.

    It sounds as dramatic as the raids that inspired headlines. “Police discovers explosive chemi-cals at drug raid” is one example from the Tagesspiegel, which tells of evacuated houses, found explosives and a drug lab. Equally sensational is the article about the house search from the Morgenpost. Together with the mention that among the people involved are customers of one chemical trader, the paper says that the sellers of chemicals possessed large quantities of the so-called rape drug “liquid ecstasy”. These elements are indeed an explosive mix for the readers. What springs to mind are the assassins in the Sauerland, defenceless raped women, drug dealers in clandestine home laboratories and last but not least explosives, that can be made by youths. The results is fear and insecurity.

    If, however, we investigate the story and look at first hand experiences, comments and back-grounds, we come to see a whole other picture. One the website Versuchschemie [TRANSLATOR’S NOTE: check out the goofy pic on the site :p , is a story of a 16 year old accused of running a drug lab. The user experience, which the young man freely shares with other amateur chemists, shows the police acting, mildly put, excessive.

    Take this extract from the Tagesspiegel for instance:

    During the inspection of one house in […], officials found highly explosive substances, ac-cording to one spokesman for the police.

    A similar story in the Morgenpost:

    In a shed in[…] in the precinct of Pankow, investigators found the wanted dangerous sub-stances. […] The experts had previously examined the dangerous chemicals with special equipment.

    This makes it sound like well thought out actions undertaken after well thought out research by chemical experts, which in such cases would lead to well thought out actions taken by the police, the fire brigade, etc. Nevertheless, the experience of a 16 year old, who had to go through a house search, an evacuation, etc), shows another picture. Proper proofing of chemi-cals as part of a large scale operation against suspected explosives? Reasonable action and withholding of information from the press? The 16 year old that caught the reader’s eye after hiring a lawyer, shows us another angle.
    Then the chemist arrived, equipped with nothing at all […] Unfortunately, the day before I had worked on my silicium tetrachloride project and after that I had only cleaned up in a rush, so there still were some things cluttered on the table. This would later prove to be a serious mistake. The chemist […]smelled[…]. It still smelled of chlorine a bit, he found. […] He then noted: It smells like acetic acid! […] Then he sees three erlenmeyers. Filled with a liquid and…a sediment! These glasses originally contained barium hydroxide, to neutralize the chlo-rine from silicium tetrachloride, which was flowing out of the setup and had to go somewhere. The chemist takes a good look. I tell him what it is, I wasn’t allowed to go closer. He takes notes, he combines, he sees hydrogen peroxide. He asks me if I have any acetone. I tell him I do. […] After that, he then went through the housewhere he only found unlabelled perfume bottles, which are promptly confiscated because you can’t tell at the scene and you never know, so these things have to be analyzed at a laboratory. ,

    Some two hours after the analysis, according to the young man, some 50 officials from the police, the bomb squad, state security (LKA5) and so on, had found their way into the house and the garden. The assertion for this razzia was the assumption of the chemist that:

    My experience shows me that, whenever I find things like these, (white sediment or white powder in general), in 99 % of all case it is not what it is supposed to be

  13. FrankenChrist
    What follows next is a self perpetuating nightmare. The number of officials grows from 50 to 200 and the press is raiding the house. What’s more, a police spokesman states that a highly explosive substance was found that had to be incinerated at the spot because it was too dan-gerous to transport. According to the report, the substance was not tested in any way, but was determined to be highly explosive by “experts”.

    Wobbly tables and transportation problems

    The transport wasn’t possible because of the danger of explosions, but that was seemingly the last thing on the minds of the police. The young man describes the following about the begin-ning of the house search:

    There we were, numbering ten in my small backroom. My lawyer, my mom, me… (for later reference, we noticed that the table with THE substance was wobbling dangerously. )

    The fact that, during the hectic operation, the highly explosive, not transportable substance was at that time on a wobbly table, was of no importance to all the officials crammed in the small room. The bomb squad later did show up, cleaned the shelves carefully, including the substance which was taken outside. The communication with the press also evolved into a whispering game:

    The police that cordoned off the house told all who wanted to hear that a bomb was found.

    Drugs, explosives, bombs …

    Interestingly enough, the alleged explosives manufacturer and bomb maker was apparently not very important for the authorities at that time and was not stopped when went out to find something to eat for himself and his family. Nobody even considered the risk of flight.

    What followed next was the “professional” incineration of the substance, while not only other chemicals were confiscated, but also the family PC. The police explained that they urgently needed to find out whether or not explosives were sold from the location.

    The search at the home of the 16 year old amateur chemist resulted in a large scale operation, a bomb alarm and so on, while the press were eager to suck up spectacular news from the po-lice spokesman. They then started reporting about “terror in the children’s bedroom”:

    The neighbours prefer to see my back and I’m stared at funnily at school and by every third passerby. This is also fodder for the papers, and all this because the police spokesman told that highly explosive material was found.

    Okay sorry guys, I had login problems for over a week and now I'm very very busy so I can't do the last part of the translation. It's not that much anymore so if anyone cares he can pick up where I left :)
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