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  1. Beenthere2Hippie
    View attachment 47041 This interview, the latest in a series on political topics, discusses philosophical issues concerning the criminalization of drug use. My interviewee is Douglas Husak, professor of philosophy at Rutgers University. He is the author of “Overcriminalization: The Limits of the Criminal Law.” – Gary Gutting

    Gary Gutting: A bill moving through Congress is proposing reductions in sentences for violations of drug laws. Some critics of the bill, including The New York Times editorial board, think it doesn’t go nearly far enough. What’s your view?

    Douglas Husak: I’d go much further, at least regarding penalties for drug use. I think it’s a serious moral wrong to send people to prison for the recreational use of drugs such as marijuana, cocaine, and heroin. What we need is a total decriminalization of drug use.

    G.G.: What leads you to that conclusion?

    D.H: Everyone agrees it is seriously unjust to punish people in the absence of very good reasons to do so. But the case in favor of punishing people for using drugs has never been made.

    G.G.: I suppose popular thinking is roughly that punishment is a good way to deter people from doing something that they would otherwise be very tempted to do and that may well lead to terrible consequences if they do it. The pleasure that drugs bring makes them attractive, and the consequences of using them can be overwhelmingly hideous. So, unless there’s reason to think that the consequences of drug use are not as bad as we think or that no form of punishment is likely to deter drug use, then it seems reasonable to punish it.

    The goals of drug-law enforcement are valuable. The problem is that far too many innocent drug users get caught in the net and suffer as a result.

    D.H.: I think it’s wrong to punish people just to get them not to do something bad. That principle would allow us to punish overeating, smoking, failing to exercise, and lots of other activities that virtually no one proposes to punish. Most crimes we punish (murder, rape, robbery) do serious harm to other people. Almost all people who do drugs at most harm only themselves. The hideous effects of drugs on users and their families we hear so much about occur in only a very small minority of instances.

    Most drug users do not suffer substantial harms, and we should be cautious about generalizing from worst-case scenarios. We should not subject tens of millions of Americans to punishment because of bad effects that materialize in only a small subset of cases. In addition, threats of punishments don’t do much to deter drug use. Most drug users don’t believe they’ll be caught, and they are right.

    G.G.: I’d like to hear more about two points you just made. First, why do you think that drug use is not “substantially harmful”? Maybe there’s not much substantial harm done by smoking marijuana, but what about heroin addiction? Also, what’s the evidence that threats of punishments don’t do much to deter drug use? Most drug users may rightly believe that they won’t be caught, but that doesn’t mean that those who don’t use drugs aren’t deterred by the threat of punishment.

    D.H.: I say that drug use itself is not substantially harmful because longitudinal studies indicate that health and life expectancy of the roughly half of all Americans who have used drugs (with the exception of tobacco) is virtually identical to that of the half of Americans who have not. Again, no one should generalize from worst-case scenarios to criminalize conduct that is harmful in only a small percentage of cases. These generalizations would allow the prohibition of lots of behaviors, including the consumption of alcohol.

    And efforts to prevent these worst-case scenarios almost certainly cause harm that is greater than whatever harms they prevent. When adolescents are caught and punished for using drugs, the consequences of punishment are worse than whatever harm the drugs are likely to have caused.

    The evidence that threats of punishment don’t do much to deter drug use involves comparisons of prevalence rates in times and places where punishments are more or less severe. If these threats deterred, one would expect less drug use when and where those threats are increased. But there is no such correlation in the United States or indeed anywhere in the world. (See, for example, “Drug War Heresies,” by Robert J. MacCoun and Peter Reuter, pp. 78-86.)

    View attachment 47042 G.G.: Those of us who aren’t experts in the relevant area aren’t in a position to evaluate empirical evidence put forward in favor of a policy recommendation. The only thing we can rely on is consensus among those qualified to judge the matter. Is there a scientific consensus that the relevant evidence supports the conclusions that drug use is not substantially harmful and that punishment does little to deter drug use?

    D.H.: I don’t suppose a “scientific consensus” could be said to exist on many of these matters. But criminologists concur that the deterrent effect of punishments for drug offenses is minimal. In any event, since well over 120 million living Americans have experimented with illicit drugs, one would like to hear from them (and not just from the most extreme cases) as to what harms they have suffered. In most cases, I’ll bet those who have been caught and prosecuted would report that the punishments did more damage to their lives than the drugs they were using.

    G.G.: The case against allowing drug use is often tied to the need to protect children from taking them. Specifically, I suspect much of the intense opposition to drug use is due to parents’ fear that their children will become addicted.

    D.H.: Adolescents seldom behave in the way their parents would like. Some experimentation with drugs should be expected. Since legal drugs should be less dangerous than illegal drugs, parents should prefer a regime of decriminalization. Today, parents should be more worried that their children will get caught and punished than that the drugs they use will harm them.

    G.G.: What about the suggestion that punishing drug users is necessary to reduce drug-related crime (for example, robberies to support a drug habit)?

    D.H.: No one can be too sure how drug decriminalization will affect rates of economic crime (e.g., theft, burglary) committed by drug users. Many variables contribute to the incidence of these crimes, including the cost of decriminalized drugs. As long as they are affordable, and not taxed excessively, we should expect these crime rates to fall. We don’t see too many alcoholics or nicotine addicts committing economic crimes to finance their habits.

    G.G.: Even many opponents of decriminalization agree that current penalties and enforcement policies need rethinking. But don’t we have to distinguish between the question of the most fair and effective ways of punishing drug use and the question of whether there should be any punishment at all? How do you go beyond the case for reforming our legal penalties for drug use to a case for abolishing them?

    D.H.: Obviously, a more severe punishment requires a stronger rationale than a less severe punishment. But any punishment, even a slap on the wrist, needs to be justified. We don’t think we should punish other behaviors that primarily hurt just those who engage in them — here, getting drunk might be the closest comparison.

    G.G.: There’s also the fact that punishing users is well established as a major way of opposing the bad effects of drugs. It’s one thing to reform this approach to eliminate some of its obvious failings. But if we move to a very different approach, don’t we risk unintended consequences that could well make things much worse?

    D.H.: Sure, moving in a new direction has risks. New approaches always do. But it’s hard to be impressed by what we’ve been doing for the past 45 years or so. What have we really accomplished? Those who support our present policy could allege that success is around the corner if only we could identify “the right way to punish drug users.” But no better ideas are on the horizon, and we’ve been trying to find them for decades.

    Finally, I repeat that a truce in the drug war should be called not simply because we are unable to win it, but because we had no good justification for waging it in the first place.

    G.G.: So far we’ve said nothing about the production and selling of drugs. Do you think they also should be decriminalized?

    D.H.: In my view, we have to resolve the more basic question of what the law should do with drug users before we decide how to regulate manufacture and sale. If drug use itself is decriminalized, there is lots of room for trial and error to find the best system of distribution. Our models governing alcohol are a sensible place to start.

    G.G.: Supposing we decriminalize drug use along the lines you suggest. Do you think there are any steps we should take to discourage the use of recreational drugs?

    D.H.: Sure. I am all in favor of state efforts to promote healthy and productive lifestyles. The private sector should contribute to these goals, too. We should all be encouraged to eat better, exercise more and study harder. But criminal law and punishment should not be used for these purposes.

    G.G.: Given the failures and frustrations of the “war on drugs,” why do you think the police continue to place so much emphasis on drug-law enforcement? Is it, as some suggest, a part of the racist structure of our society?

    D.H.: The racist aspects of drug-law enforcement are real, but frequently exaggerated. In the hands of many police and prosecutors, drug offenses give the state leverage to prevent and solve crimes — not drug crimes, but the kind of serious crimes we all care about. The existence of drug offenses gives police a pretext to detain and arrest people they believe to be suspicious. Police collect DNA samples, frisk for weapons, and use the threat of prosecution to extract information about serious crimes that have occurred or might occur. If I am correct, the goals of drug-law enforcement are valuable. The problem is that far too many innocent drug users get caught in the net and suffer as a result.

    The real question for philosophers is to identify a satisfactory rationale for fighting a “war on drugs.” Even though most of us now realize that this war cannot be “won,” we were never very clear about why we were waging it in the first place. Someday we may look back at this era the way we now think about (alcohol) Prohibition: a failed experiment that was indefensible in principle.

    This interview was conducted by email and edited. Read the entire series of interviews with philosophers on political issues, here.

    Gary Gutting is a professor of philosophy at the University of Notre Dame, and an editor of Notre Dame Philosophical Reviews. His new book, “What Philosophy Can Do” offers essays, expanded from his Stone columns, on politics, science, religion, education and art.

    By Gary Gutting - The NY Times, Opinionator/ Nov. 24, 2015
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    BT2H is a retired news editor and writer from the NYC area who, for health reasons, retired to a southern US state early, and where BT2H continues to write and to post drug-related news to DF.


  1. IceHeadFromOz
    In My Opinon:
    No society should not punish Drug Users!
    There are many things that are labeled
    and pushed over into the " Drug Category "
    in this day and age.
    It's a shame really'
    With most of the world already addicted to one drug
    or another' or several drugs.
    You don't see them people being punished by society
    because of their drug addiction(s).

    And this is because these drugs are already widely known
    In most parts of the country to be Legal!
    This starts from your less likely of drugs to not be known as
    as a substance or an addiction that will kill you.
    More so the silent killer if you like to call it!
    Then you have your more well known' more well publicised drugs'
    such as Nicotine and Alcohol' These two legal drugs yet alone have
    been the top 2 reasons for death worldwide and the numbers continue to
    grow and grow' although they are still readily available for purchase on the legal

    The Government is forever trying to make it seem like they are doing their best to make
    it harder for people to afford Cigarettes and Alcohol by hiking up the price of them!

    I'm sorry to say that if one has an addiction a dependency on any type of drug'
    they are going to find the neccesary means to make their addiction continue.

    More people throughout the world take up more hospital beds for both the final
    outcome of being a life long smoker or being an alcoholic then being addicted to any
    Other drug that takes people's fancy!

    Yes you may get the overdose call outs where an ambulance has to attend the home
    of of a herion user' ice addict' oxy- condone or Morphine patch user, for the assistance needed
    in giving them the drug reversal injection which will completely stop the overdose in its tracks and
    bring the patient back to a breathing responsive patient.

    You will get the drop off at the emergency department where an inexperienced person is unsure what to
    do and would rather the person be in better hands' and the odd addict here and there that will require some coarse of Antibiotics for a Cellulitis infection and/ or taken surgery for medical prevention in helping save a limb of a 40+ year intravenous drug user.

    But nothing to the extent that your more common legalised drugs will always have effect!
    As these are your more publicised drugs there are always going to be more and more people from every day and age and generation' the cycle is going to keep on repeating itself!

    Where as all your other " Street drugs " as they are most commonly referred to' they are rarely spoken off in amoungest today's media outlets' amoungest the newer generations and when they are spoken off' you hear nothing but grim and horrific stories of them being told' and this is done as a deterrent because most of these drugs are illegally made in backyard labs.

    Maybe if society was more approached as a whole' from all walks of life' then from the richest suburbs and the safest suburbs or certain genders and cultures and religions.
    Then they would see that there are more people out there freely willing to talk about their drug of choice!

    I can guarantee you that the drugs that society is so willingly be so quick to judge upon are going to live a longer and more healthier life in the end then of an alcoholic who is dying of Cirrhosis of the liver or of a smoker who is dying of any one or more of the 16 cancers that is terminal.

    The answer to it all is quite simple'
    Educate don't discriminate!
    After all the drugs that society is so quick to punish you for are not going anywhere' just like the other man made drugs that are not going anywhere!
  2. Joe-(5-HTP)
    Solid arguments! It doesn't require a philosophy professor to understand and make these cases but it's nice we have some doing so.
  3. Nosferatus
    The purpose of the law is to prevent one from harming, endangering or otherwise unduly imposing upon others, the use of drugs does none of those. Even in cases such as impaired driving or child neglect that are related to drug use, the drug use isn't the important part, the fact a chosen person allowed it to interfere with their responsibilities is. The fact that as an adult human one is entitled to do as they wish provided they don't, again, harm, endanger or unduly impose upon anyone else is the only argument that need be made for full legalization of all drugs.
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