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  1. gavlaaa
    Tips to spot kids on Meow drug

    IT might not yet be illegal, but mephedrone - aka meow meow - is a dangerous substance that has already claimed the lives of several British youngsters.
    Here, psychiatrist Ken Checinskii, from drug information service FRANK, gives his tips on the signs and symptoms to look out for to spot if your child might be taking the drug. He says...


    "Like any substance, you will notice a general change in youngsters if they have taken mephedrone.

    "But the effects, unlike LSD or ecstasy, only last for a few hours.

    "But meow meow is an addictive substance, so individuals who take it are likely to continue to take more and more to get a high which means users often get in a bad way.

    Anxiety

    "If you notice signs of anxiety or a quick heart rate, palpitations, bolt-eyes, confusion and erratic behaviour, then they may have taken the substance.

    "The come down can often be dreadful. If they are coming off mephedrone then they are likely to seem flat, unresponsive and have a lack of care about them.

    "Paranoia, is another sign. Users can often feel that people are getting to them for hours and even days after taking the drug. This sometimes leads to depression and suicidal thoughts.

    "Unprovoked arguments, emotional outbursts and erratic behaviour could all be signs.

    "Physically they may have breathing difficulties - that may even amount to an asthma-like panic attack, whether they have asthma or not.

    "Nose bleeds are also common, in those who choose to snort the drug.

    "Sleeplessness is likely to follow a binge on the drug too, so check their patterns.

    "Cold hands and feet have been associated with the drug also.

    Financial demands

    "While for a street-drug user the prices of meow meow might seem reasonable, for a school kid or university student, it's costly.

    "For that reason, you should look out for your child demanding extra money for things, or even attempting to remove money from the house without your knowing.

    "And as the substance is addictive, the chances are they'll be craving it if they have the cash for it or not.

    "It might seem like an age-old piece of advice, but parents should keep a close eye on what their kids are doing.

    "Have they recently changed their friendship circles? If yes, this could point to change of habits.

    "Keep watch that stories add up, that they are where they say they will be and that parents of friends know where they are too.

    "Also, look out for paraphernalia that signals they have bought the drug.

    "Shops that sell the drug are often known called head shops.

    "You could also check their browsing history on the net.

    Discuss

    "The key to finding out about your child's habits, is not to launch into a full-scale attack on what they might be up to. This is more likely to push your child away from telling you the truth.

    "Openly discuss the recent news stories on the drug.

    "If you take a level stance with them they are more likely to listen.

    "Explain that you understand why they might think they need something like that to give them social skills or confidence, but clearly set out the dangers of the drug in a non-preachy way.

    "Try and direct them to somewhere like Talk to Frank, which is a place they can get information without feeling like they are being attacked.

    "If you fear your child has taken the drug, then feel no shame in getting them to A&E straight away.

    "The drug can be dangerous, and it's best to be safe rather than sorry."


    By CHARLOTTE MARTIN
    Published: 24 Mar 2010


    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...meowmephedroneSide-effects-of-mephedrone.html

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  1. chillinwill
    Thank you for posting this gavlaaa

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  2. Meow Tse Dung
    This is Bullsh1t. SWIM has been a Mephedrone user, and has had no addiction: A month since last time SWIM had some, and there are 7g at his place, tempting? No!
    These Drug specialists should try taking some some day.
  3. girlygrrl
    I've read many reports that it is morish. It may be a bit psychologically addicting, but it isn't physically addicting from what I've read.

    One can get psychologically addicted to anything (sex, video games, gambling, tv, etc), so I don't really count that.

    Caffeine and opiates and tobacco are physically addicting. Pot and DXM and Meph are not.
  4. r2kam
    SWIM found it tempting when in his possession in evenings, however, when he had none there was no want for any more after about a day. He would probably put it down as being psychologically addictive, but only mildly. As SWIgirlygrrl pointed out, anything can be psychologically addictive.
  5. beemac
    Swiy should read more about mephedrone - the article isn't bullshit and does, from a concerned parents point of view make a reasonable amount of sense.

    Swim had addiction issues with mephedrone, so have numerous friends and of those he speaks to online about drugs nearly all those who have access to serious amounts have ended up with serious problems. I know of several people who have been taking multiple grams every single day for nearly a year now - it IS an issue.
  6. Terrapinzflyer
    one need look no further then our own mephedrone subforum to see a sample of just how many people had a rough time with this substance. Physically addictive? probably not. Mentally addictive? yes, for a large % of people, and highly "moorish" for an even greater percentage.

    one can not pass judgement on a substance just from their own experience. One of the turtles best friends is one of those infuriating people who can take or leave cigarettes with no problems. Should we say cigarettes are not addictive? Likewise a friend who can take or leave heroin with no problems. Again, not addictive?

    When considering the benefit or harm of any substance we must consider a user group larger then ourselves or our circle of friends.
  7. Erumelithil
    Ok, from what I've seen so far on this thread, anyone who criticises or disagrees will get a rash of negative reputation comments.
    Nevertheless, I'm not going to keep my mouth shut just because some people can't handle the fact that other's may have differing experiences and opinions.

    It just surprised me when I was reading the list above, because if I was trying to tell if someone was on Meow, there are a few obvious signs that I would look for, yet none of them were mentioned above. I talked it over with SWIM and he agreed.
    SWIM reckons that the list of "signs" might be more applicable to someone on an MDPV binge than a typical mephedrone user.

    If SWIM was to write a list of signs to lookout for to see if your kid is on meow, it would be as follows;
    1) Markedly exaggerated desire to chat and talk openly, speech may seem rushed or words my be stumbled over.

    2) Noticeable sniffling or rubbing of the nose, possibly a white residue around the nostrils where mucus has dried, leaving behind a trace of the drug.

    3) Pronounced increase in energy and motivation, the person doesn't want to sit still but instead wants to engage in something that requires focus.

    4) Because meow is quite moreish while you are on it, the person may seem to dissappear fairly regularly at intervals of an hour or two, and spend longer than usual in the bathroom or somewhere else private. When they return, eyes may be watery and/or nose running.

    5) Change in sleeping habits. A person on meow does not want to go to bed, they are enjoying the buzz and will often redose until they're out of the drug. Naturally this means much later nights and oversleeping the next day.

    SWIM is sure that there's plenty that could be added to that list, but those are the things that he would find easiest to spot. The "signs" on the Opening Post List, all seem to depend on the assumption that the person being observed has had a bad reaction to the meow, and so surely isn't a representative example.

    Now, onto my next bit of rant...
    SWIM is a fairly regular user of mephedrone, he will typically indulge in a gram per session and he does this once or twice in a week, at intervals of two to three weeks.
    He has, on occassion had an extended session where more than a gram was consumed, though that would be a rare event.
    In SWIM's personal experience, he has never been effected by the list of contraindications above, except for one nosebleed which to be fair is going to happen if you're in the habit of snorting slightly irritating crystals up your nose.
    Should that be an indication that the drug is bad, or just that insufflation should not be overdone so that nasal tissue is not being abused too regularly to allow it to recover between sessions?

    The only other thing on the list that SWIM recognises is the Sleeplessness claim. Though this is not due to an inability to sleep or relax, it's simply because SWIM has often lacked the discipline to call an end to a session and go to sleep. When he does decide to hit the sack, he doesn't have any difficulty.

    As for the claim that was made near the top, that meow is addictive, SWIM usually goes for a week, two or three without meow and he doesn't find himself getting cravings or urges for the stuff. SWIM makes no claim to having the will power and resolve of a hero, he turns into a whiney little bitch if he's too long without a cigarette.
    SWIM will concede that during the initial comedown, if one has overdone it and been up all night, the desire to avoid the coming tiredness and the promise of spending the rest of the day after the session feeling all worn out, makes it a very very tempting proposition to go and get some more stuff, in order to stay going. This seems to be 90% down to the moreish quality of the stuff.
    If SWIM shows a bit of self discipline, the desire to go get more will fade away as the morning goes on.

    Now don't get me wrong, SWIM is not trying to say that meow is harmless, or that there aren't complications that come along with it.
    All I'm saying is that too many people are far too eager to jump on the bandwagon and claim it's an awful terrible addictive drug that makes you sick and paranoid and aggressive, that there's a terrible comedown and stops you sleeping.

    I don't believe that's a representation that would really describe the experience of the typical recreational user.

    It's far too easy for people to absolve themselves of responsibility for their own behaviour by blaming the drug for the silly things they do.

    For instance, SWIM tells me that anyone who has had meow know's that it's very moorish stuff and that while you're up on it, it's irressistably tempting to keep on redosing, unless you have great discipline.

    Why then, are people buying it in 10 and 20 gram quantities, then acting like victims when they go on a binge and get wrecked?

    If a drug is as moreish as meow, then it's the responsibility of the drug user to only buy a reasonable amount of the stuff. If they're getting nosebleeds, or altered moods, or whatever other symptoms may crop up with extended periods of overuse, then the user should have some common sense and take a break from the stuff.
    If it's still too tempting, get rid of it.

    Use your heads!

    As I said, SWIM uses it on a fairly regular basis. He likes to buy a gram, as this will give him 5 good strong hits. He knows not to take the first line too late, or he'll end up staying up even longer to finish the gram later on that night. He knows roughly how long in between bumps it will take before he starts feeling moorish, so he know's roughly when he's going finish the gram. He's already decided that when it's finished, it's done for the night.
    When it's gone, he wants more but he hasn't got any more, he want's the buzz to keep going and doesn't want to go to bed.
    SWIM goes to bed anyway, knowing that if he doesn't he will spend the whole next day feeling sorry for himself.
    SWIM wakes up the next day feeling fine.

    If you can't enjoy a drug without losing control of yourself, then obviously that's not a drug that suits you. Leave it alone or learn to use it with discipline.
  8. merl
    What about the gurning? SWIM looked like a bulldog chewing a wasp evry time he took it.
  9. Erumelithil
    Yeah sure, good way of recognising if someone's on it, but that wasn't mentioned because it's not "negative" enough.

    Although I wouldn't have been surprised to see a point like, "If your child is on mephedrone, you may notice that he or she has bitten off their own tongue and chewed through the flesh of their cheeks. This occurs in 98% of all users and can be treated effectively with skin grafts and sewing the tongue back in, provided that it was stored on ice."
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