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  1. chillinwill
    Store clerks at Almo's Flower & Garden Center initially thought it was a little strange.

    Groups of young teenagers would ride their bikes to the garden store to buy packets of morning glory seeds.

    Their specific interest in the small black seeds wasn't for gardening, but rather a hallucinogenic high similar to taking LSD.

    "They're (teens) chewing them and swallowing them, and a chemical in the seeds is giving them a hallucinogenic high," warned Dracut Police Chief Kevin Richardson.

    The chemical is Lysergic Acid Amide (LSA), the same chemical used to make Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, commonly known as LSD.

    LSA is derived from ergot, a type of fungus that grows on grains, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

    Andy Daigle, a manager at Almo's contacted police after realizing the seeds were being used as illicit drugs."One kid said I take it and I hallucinate for six hours," Daigle said.

    While LSD has been widely studied and documented, information about LSA isn't listed on the National Institute on Drug Abuse or U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Web sites.

    However, because LSA mimics the hallucinogenic effects of LSD, doctors say it could be dangerous.

    "LSD is a potent hallucinogenic; not only is there an acute effect, but people get all sorts of flashbacks and psychological damage," said Dr. Wayne Pasanen, vice president of Medical Affairs at Lowell General Hospital and medical director


    So far, Pasanen has not seen any cases involving LSA, but Mike Miles, a Dracut School Committee member and Lowell police patrolman, has counseled two teens who have used morning glory seeds to get high.

    Miles, a licensed clinical social worker who specializes in child and family therapy and drug and alcohol counseling, said both teens said they became sick to their stomach.

    Other local law enforcement officials in communities surrounding Dracut say they haven't seen any incidents involving morning glory seeds, but are aware that it can be used as a drug.

    "It's definitely on our radar," said Chelmsford Deputy Police Chief Scott Ubele.

    In Billerica, Sgt. Roy Frost hasn't seen any cases, but is familiar with the ways morning glory seeds can be manipulated.

    "These kids can smoke it (morning glory seeds), they can chew it, or cook with it just like traditional marijuana," Frost said. "With a lot of these drugs, kids unfortunately think it's OK because it hasn't been criminalized."

    However, the legality of LSA in morning glory seeds remains murky, said Richardson.

    The use of morning glory seeds as an illicit drug is not listed under state law, only under federal law, Richardson said. Local officers do not have the authority to enforce federal statutes, Richardson said.

    Dracut Deputy Police Chief David Chartrand has spoken to all of the town's retailers that sell morning glory seeds to make them aware of their potential abuse.

    At Almo's, the store has adopted a new policy to only sell morning glory seeds to people 18 and older. "Kids have not purchased them since," Daigle said. "One kid came in and saw the sign and left."

    By Bridget Scrimenti
    06/16/2009 06:37:36 AM EDT
    Sentinel and Enterprise
    http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/ci_12599366?source=rss

Comments

  1. darkglobe
    Lol @ the not-so-subtle LSD namedropping
  2. Nemba
    Wow, smoking morning glory seeds huh? What'll those crazy kids think of next...
  3. EscapeDummy
    "LSD is a potent hallucinogenic; not only is there an acute effect, but people get all sorts of flashbacks and psychological damage," said Dr. Wayne Pasanen, vice president of Medical Affairs at Lowell General Hospital and medical director."

    He has a point (to an extent) about the flashbacks, but I've yet to see a study confirming LSD-induced psychological damage in a healthy person.
  4. crackcityrocker
    im surprised they havent cried EPIDEMIC! yet.

    this is a completely pointless article.
  5. darkglobe
    Just another display of propaganda. Spoon-feeding the ignorant (and the uninformed) a load of seemingly shocking truths, which in actual is nothing more than mindless drivel, spiced with a few authoritarian buzzwords aimed at the masses, in order to keep those with the potential to 'know' as far away from the truth as possible. *sigh*
  6. old hippie 56
    This ranks up there with "koosh", the super marijuana. Before long, a person well have to show ID and sign a log just to plant a flower garden!
  7. nate81
    Wow, that is jam packed with bad information. Did the journalist even try? It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

    LSA is derived from ergot: then how did it get on the seeds?
    Kids can smoke it and cook with it: are you sure about that?
    both kids became sick to their stomach: yeah, that's the most accurate thing in the whole article
    LSD is made from LSA: sigh
  8. hurriedsurgeon
    The chemical is Lysergic Acid Amide (LSA), the same chemical used to make Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, commonly known as LSD.

    first of all thats ass backwards andd its impossible to make lsd from lsa, if it were i think we'd all be down at the supermarket buying crates of morning glory and hbwr seeds, and why wouldnt the dea schedule it if it could, i mean shit you cant even buy pseudophed anymore without a fingerprint id and retinal scan.

    plus as many teens found out with dxm, and salvia
    theres a reason its legal still, the high is terrible.
  9. Electrolingus
    So this article basically states that local law enforcement and doctors have never encountered a problem with kids using morning glory seeds and its author can't find any information on the abuse of MG seeds on DEA record, but a local store owner had a couple of kids come in and buy (not steal) some seeds from his establishment so he posted a sign. Absolutely riveting. I would be curious to find out how many more new kids are riding their bikes a little further down the road to buy seeds from a different store now that this article has given them the idea.

    Please do some research before posting. Just because SWIY hasn't heard of it being possible, doesn't mean that it isn't.
    Please see this: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/lsd.coupling.agents.html
    As of now at least, the DEA doesn't go around scheduling every possible mood and mind altering compound and its source. The reason sources of pseudoephedrine are regulated is because the U.S. government views the manufacturing and use of methamphetamine as an epidemic that greatly affects crime rate.
    This is SWIYs opinion. This is not the reason DXM is still "legal", or more correctly, purchase quantity of DXM is not monitored because: 1) Unlike pseudoephedrine, DXM is not used as a precursor in manufacturing an illegal substance. 2) Unlike pseudoephedrine as an OTC decongestant, there is no equivalent alternative to DXM for its use as an OTC cough suppressant. When one is synthesised or discovered, this will most likely change. As of now, just about every OTC medication in the U.S. labeled as a cough suppressant contains DXM. 3) The use of DXM as an intoxicant has not affected tax paying citizens as a whole. The 'abuse' of DXM has not sufficiently impacted crime rate, etc. enough to warrant its ban as an OTC medication. The possible ends have not yet justified these means (and most likely, imo, never will). The sale of OTC medications and products containing DXM are however regulated in many U.S. States to those over the age of 18. Legislation is also underway to ban the bulk sale of powdered DXM.

    SWIM does not mean to sound harsh. Just don't misinform or present opinion as fact, because doing so is no better than the generalizations that are stated in the article that started this thread.
  10. MasterG
    Swim likes DXM and Salvia, but thats besides the point.
    this article is rather late, have they just found this out or something. I am pretty sure LSA has been around for quite a while. But I guess thats ok because the media has the power to make it seem like the new "killer" because the vast majority of people are uneducated on substance use and only know of its abuse.
  11. Mr Jykill
    swim has only been on this forum for a short while and has realised he is in the presence of some who have great knowledge great
  12. hurriedsurgeon
    This is SWIYs opinion. This is not the reason DXM is still "legal", or more correctly, purchase quantity of DXM is not monitored because: 2) Unlike pseudoephedrine as an OTC decongestant, there is no equivalent alternative to DXM for its use as an OTC cough suppressant. When one is synthesised or discovered, this will most likely change. As of now, just about every OTC medication in the U.S. labeled as a cough suppressant contains DXM. 3) The use of DXM as an intoxicant has not affected tax paying citizens as a whole. The 'abuse' of DXM has not sufficiently impacted crime rate, etc. enough to warrant its ban as an OTC medication. The possible ends have not yet justified these means (and most likely, imo, never will). The sale of OTC medications and products containing DXM are however regulated in many U.S. States to those over the age of 18. Legislation is also underway to ban the bulk sale of powdered DXM.

    SWIM does not mean to sound harsh. Just don't misinform or present opinion as fact, because doing so is no better than the generalizations that are stated in the article that started this thread. __________________

    1) Unlike pseudoephedrine, DXM is not used as a precursor in manufacturing an illegal substance.
    The 'abuse' of DXM has not sufficiently impacted crime rate, etc. enough to warrant its ban as an OTC medication

    swim apologizes for my under researched opinionated post. obviously people do enjoy substances that swim does not find useful. the pseudophed statement is questionable, by monitoring/limiting retail sales of a precursor to meth, perhaps we are lowering substance production, but on what scale? what about commercial trafficking, pharma-mules, who skimp a barrel or two to a cook in iowa. i would still like to see, and need to research (and will) whether or not its specifically methamphetamine causes an increase in crime. it can cause violent behavior because of amphetamine psychosis however, the same can be said for crack/cocaine. it has similar effects and can increase aggressiveness if taken over several days. swim thinks the real statement here is; all illegal drugs increase crime because they are illegal. crime does not increase necessarily because one is under the influence of drugs. people became aware of dxm's activity as a mind altering dissociative, and then it was required for the purchaser to be over 18. now its being mixed in so that it cannot be taken for recreational purposes, but like any one on pcp another dissociative, a person disoriented by a mind altering substance is capable of committing a crime or just sitting back and enjoying its effects. the same can be said for meth. some people take meth and steal a tank, others clean their house and draw or have sex marathons.
  13. Svstoned
    It is very dangerous indeed, kids have overdosed on seeds like that, and the fact that alcohol is legal and most kids don't have any patience to get high they usually mix it with the good ole killer alcohol!
    And then they OD, then the family mourns and all in all nothing will change, just another family destroyed and i'm firmly pointing in the direction of alcohol.
  14. Greenport
    Hmm, it's not impossible to make lsd from lsa...not at all. LSA (aka ergine) can be converted into LSD using hydrazine, acetylacetone and diethylamine in a 3-step process - a method that works for ergotamine and other ergoloids as well.

    Also ergine can be converted into Lysergic acid via hydrolysis of the amide, this can then be reacted with diethylamine in anhydrous conditions using a strong dehydrating agent.

    --

    What's dangerous about consuming commercial morning glory seeds is that they are often coated with things like methylmercury and other notably toxic chemicals. Also the general risks associated with hallucinogen use are there as well.

    That being said this shouldn't be a reason to 'ban' morning glory seeds or anything of that sort. However surely suspicious buys are going to (and should) be reported. However growing morning glories is not a crime and thus people should still be allowed to buy the seeds for growing purposes. It is quite obvious anyways since the packets probably do not contain very many seeds and it would require something like 500 of them to cause a hallucinogenic effect anyways.

    Most 'teens' that try this will learn their lesson anyways from the hellish stomachache they'll likely get :p So a news story on this issue really has no basis. SwiM thinks (and people may be abit sour about swiM's opinion) that these seeds should be treated with chemicals that deter consumption but do not run the risk of causing physical harm. If a person wants the LSA bad enough then they can put those seeds in the ground, grow some morning glories and collect the seeds from that.

    Why? Because swiM thinks it's a bad idea to buy commercial morning glory seeds for personal consumption! Sales can be easily monitored and that information can be used both to control LSA consumption and, as mentioned earlier, LSD production. On the other hand buying one or two packets, growing a bunch and collecting the seeds from said flowers may take longer but it would certainly be more rewarding (and less trackable) in the future. Plus it will keep those who don't know what they are getting into out of the loop.
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