UK: London: Boris' plan for alcohol ban on public transport

  1. Pretend_you_dont_see_Her
    Did a search and couldn't find this anywhere yet..


    Johnson bans drink on transport

    Plans to ban the drinking of alcohol on London's transport system have been unveiled by new mayor Boris Johnson.
    He joined London's transport commissioner Peter Hendy to set out a timeline for bringing in the measure. The ban, starting on 1 June, on the Tube, buses, trams and Docklands Light Railway is one of his election pledges. But the Rail Maritime and Transport Union said the policy appeared "not to have been thought through very well" and could make matters worse. It is part of Mr Johnson's wider strategy to tackle anti-social behaviour. New posters were also unveiled advising passengers of the no-alcohol policy.

    Serious crime
    The mayor said: "I firmly believe that if we drive out so-called minor crime then we will be able to get a firm grip on more serious crime. "That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the Tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway." The ban on the London Overground will take longer, as Transport for London has to apply to the Department for Transport for permission to enforce the bar on the consumption of alcohol. Don Shenker, chief executive of Alcohol Concern, said: "Public drinking and the behaviour sometimes associated with it can, and does, deeply affect people's ability to enjoy public spaces. "Taking a firm approach to public drinking in this way sends a strong message that public drunkenness is socially unacceptable." But the Rail Maritime and Transport (RMT) Union's leader Bob Crow said: "We are in favour of any measure that will make our members' lives safer and curb anti-social behaviour, but it appears that this really hasn't been thought through very well and could well make matters worse. "We are being told that it will be our members who will have to approach people drinking and ask them to stop - but the mayor hasn't asked us what we think. "Perhaps the mayor will come out with his underpants on over his trousers like Superman one Saturday to show us how it should be done, and maybe tell a crowd of Liverpool supporters that they can't drink on the train."


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  1. chinpokomaster
    I can't decide whether or not I think this is a good idea. I mean, can LT seriously be asked to put in place an infrastructure that allows responsible alcohol use on transport?

    And who that drinks responsibly does it on transport? If you're a responsible drinker do you really need to squeeze in so many drinks that you drink between venues?

    On the other hand, this implies that drunkenness is the issue and not drinking. Drunkenness on the tube isn't being outlawed. In fact one might argue that drink driving laws actually encourage it.

    Can't they just throw people off the train that are being overly rowdy and intimidating?
  2. Nature Boy
    This story reminds me of an alley SWIM often passes on his walk into town. In the alley, a sign reads "STRICTLY NO LITTERING!". Needless to say, the alley is always filthy, piles of street rubbish all over the place. The next alley over is generally quite clean. I wonder why.
  3. p$2
    swip$ saw this today and was dismayed.boris has only been elected a week ago and already he's making life worse for people in london. today's "metro" has a picture of boris standing in front of a poster from transport_for_london publicising the ban. it says "making everyone's journey more pleasant". that's not true, if one enjoys a beverage on board the tube then one's journy will not be made more pleasant.
    in response to the previous post it is already illegal to be drunk on any london underground station or train. swip$ agrees drunkenness and drinking are seperate issues. it is often not the person with the can who is causing trouble but the person who has just come from the pub.
    the worst thing was what he said:
    where is the logic in that? it seems to be following the "zero tolerance" rationale. one does not tackle crime by making things criminal which were previously legal. this is an assault on freedom. i belive that if they start with minor assaults on freedom, then they can begin to make larger assaults on freedom.
    i agree with bob crow; boris has behaved very arrogantly in not consulting anyone. at the very least he should have consulted the underground staff.
    at least it would seem that bans on "street drinking" are a matter for the london borough councils and not the greater london mayor or authority. note that conservative-run westminster has a blanket ban covering the entire borough. nb this includes all parks.
  4. doppey
    Is it common in other countries to be allowed to drink on public transit? In Canada SWIM hears it's done regardless of the law, but SWIM wonders what the point of encouraging this behavoir would be? (Not to knock you for having more freedom.)
  5. Solinari
    I don't think it's going to make much of a difference, i mean if someone is drunk in the first place then the fact that they are continuing to drink isn't going to make any difference. If someone is sober and begins to drink then i doubt they will have time to get plastered while on the bus unless it's a really long journey, and if they get drunk i don't think it's any different than a some one already drunk getting on the bus or train.

    What it might do though, is cause problems with people refusing to obey the rules and idiots deliberately breaking the rules just to start some sort of conflict.
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