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  1. enquirewithin
    [imgl=red]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/blog_attachment.php?attachmentid=34&d=1268798373[/imgl]22. I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this.

    This is Ch. 2, line 22 of the Book of the Law Liber AL vel Legis: sub figura CCXX as delivered by XCIII = 418 to DCLXVI

    There have been many interpretations of what is meant by 'wine' and 'strange drugs'. Of course no one really knows as this was a transmission from Aiwass!

    Kenneth Grant, self-proclaimed Outer Head of the OTO, claims that this refers to menstrual blood, which is full of hormones, but that may have just been his own personal predilection. Grant complained that, when working as Crowley's assistant, he had to procure drugs for the Beast, so its seems more likely that wine and strange drugs mean what just that-- alcohol and drugs.

    Grant, in one of his obscure tomes, opines:

    -- Aleister Crowley and the Hidden God

    This may make sense to Grant but not to many others!

    Crowley's limited range of drugs has been discussed in earlier threads. Doubtless, he would enjoyed RCs and the newer drugs we have today! Certainly RCs get mentioned on "Thelemite" boards sometimes. I'm sure some present day OTO members dutifully "are drunk thereof."

    As for "they shall not harm ye at all"-- well, Crowley did die a heroin addict, but never mind.

Comments

  1. EyesOfTheWorld
    well he died a heroin addictbecause at the time it was the medically accepted treatment for chronic bronchitis. He was hardly taking it to worship Ra Hoor Khuit in the end, just to manage his cough
  2. Burgersoft777
    Grant may well be right, in so much that a real expert using the yogis techniques of Kundalini yoga, are able to reach the same state or achieve the same results without using Drugs or Sex.

    Crowley like most users of Drugs recognised that there was a downside to their use. As you say Crowley was addicted to Heroin , and used the drugs that were available to him.
    He found that Sex was helpful in achieving useful results.
    However he also used Yoga.

    Swims Goldfish Fishy, doesn't rate Grant very highly believing him to be something of an old duffer. However the use of menstrual blood is advocated in Liber AL vel Legis, as it makes up an important part of cakes of light. Maybe this is what Grant is referring to?

    Fishy had always taken "'wine' and 'strange drugs!" to be just that. I imagine that Crowley would have looked into RC drugs in a careful and systematic manner. It would be interesting to revise 777 to include all of the substances that now commonly used to change consciousness in conformity with will.
  3. enquirewithin
    ^^Yes he did take heroin for asthma, but you might say his true will didn't quite triumph. Possibly if other medicines had been available he could have done without heroin.

    ^All 'spiritual teachers' will say that you achieve states of mind without drugs and I'm sure they are right, but it's hard to believe that Grant is a greatly enlightened being (if any such beings exist at all)! I am not over impressed with Grant either, as you might have guessed. His books are nothing like the quality of Crowley's writing and have been called 'alphabet soup' bey one critic. His book about Spare was is perhaps his best.

    I am assume that is what Grant is referring to, not that I am an expert on the Typhonian OTO.;)
  4. EyesOfTheWorld
    Never cared for Grant and his self appointed position as Worlds Greatest Crowley Expert myself
  5. enquirewithin
    Agreed on that! His promotion of the work of AOS and perhaps editing of Crowley's work deserve credit but his own theories are fairly confusing.
  6. Burgersoft777
    Fishy once wrote a longish letter to the Typhonian OTO, and got a very strange set of papers by way of a reply. Mostly about the Cult of Lam, which Fishy was completely ignorant about, and a whole ream of Anal Staircase writings. I couldn't get my head around a lot of it.
  7. enquirewithin
    LOL! The horse once came across a former member of the Typhonian OTO. Interesting character but... I have only heard of the "Anal Staircase" as a Coil album!
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