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SWIM in Vancouver canada has never ever seen PCP and knows a fair number of dealers in rare drugs. Swim has heard of people allegedly doing crazy things on it but never actually seen it for sale anywhere here.
As for that story about the kid biting his thumb off and the subsequent electrocution; the story does not seem to be true. Zero news reports of it and it just sounds fake. Biting off a thumb would be MUCH harder then the story makes it out to be. A man did bite off the thumb of his 1-2 year old son on PCP but a full grown mans jaw strength vs a babies thumb is NOT the same as a twelve year old biting their own thumb. Even if they felt zero pain and REALLY wanted to bite the thumb off I highly doubt it would come off in one clean bite. And considering doctors were able to ~kinda~ reattach the 2 year olds thumb (after it was recovered several hours later from inside the fathers stomach) i find it hard to believe that the 12 year old's thumb couldnt be re-attached at all.
PCP has made people do crazy things but almost always people known to be violent and crazy to begin with. The story posted is almost certainly not true.
PCP is still around yet I do believe the popularity has decreased. I've only come across a few dust addicts in my time all of which have come from open air drug markets. Definitely more popular in urban areas although less common to find then the typical street drugs. Generally speaking Philly is still decently populated with PCP users and i've seen a lot of users coming out of the Hartford Connecticut area as well.
I heard first hand from guys who sold gallons of pcp, in prison, that a jug of pcp went for 10k, and would be enough to get some insane number of people high. It's basically a lifetime supply many times over, a 1gal jug.. They were from D.C and said even today it's still liquid in some spots of the nations capital. Crazy.. I have never tried PCP, and unless im in a huge field somewhere safe with a controlled dosage.. im not very interested in playing with fire anymore. The stories these guys told me.. wow. Virginia beach and pcp was a common association when they spoke.
It's periodically available here (central Canada), usually sold already soaked into cannabis, occasionally powdered, rarely as a liquid. Most users either smoke it mixed with cannabis or snort it. At one point a huge, crack laced blunt dipped in pcp (powder dissolved in vodka) or two was a fairly common party favour for certain friends of mine.
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Like most dissociatives, it seems to have it's strongest following among younger gay men.
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Syracuse New York has been a "hot-spot" for PCP for well over a decade now. As I have less than 50 posts I can't provide a link, but a search should yield articles as recent as 2011 that ascertain this to
be the case. I live a little over an hour away from Syracuse, NY. I have not encountered PCP in this area to the best of my knowledge. I think that in most cities and towns in central and upstate New York drug supply typically is adequate to meet demand. This may account in part for Syracuse's PCP market being something of an isolated incident.
Its big here in cleveland, All the pcp casualties or waterheads talk like Patrick from Spongebob.
In NY and NJ as a kid we called them "Dust Patients"
Anyone ever smoke Crazy Eddie?
I used to smoke a lot of PCP and I would still occasionally do it if I could find it online, but it's just not available. And anyone who has followed my posts knows I can source ANYTHING, there's still some dragonfly kicking around.
PCP is not really like Ketamine. PCP has a bit of opiod warmth euphoria mixed in with it, add that to the fact the NMDA receptor antagonists are so ego driven, it makes you feel like superman. It's habit forming and because of that ego-driven nuttiness it will drive you crazy if you go on a binge with it.
IMO PCP is one of the worst drugs out there. Imagine cowering in the trunk of a car for 3 hours hallucinating that the car is shinking and going to crush you along with echoing reverb-style auditory hallucinations of all the car horns/noises that are going by. Then add an overwhelming feeling of doom, knowing that you are going to die very soon and there is nothing you can do about it. Oh, and your entire body is numb and detatched from your body.
Despite this being an old thread, it's worth keeping around to see the replies over the years. Maybe a sticky?
I've posted somewhere my roommate's inadvertent experience from the late 90s in New Orleans, and my dad, a forensic scientist working in Richmond and Arlington during the late 70s, can verify the popularity of PCP in Virginia, as well as the ease of synthesis. Biker gangs apparently divided the state up into meth territory and PCP territory. God help anyone caught in a room with someone on both....
They're strikingly similar, which makes sense weeing as they're both dissociatives that were originally desigend for the same purpose, low risk sedation for pediatric and veterinary surgery. I personally find PCP to have stronger yet more functional, signifigantly less habit forming and, by extension, subjectively better, effects. However I'm not sure of it's viability as an alternative to ketamine in most cases, seeing as it is usually MUCH less readily available and more expensive.
So the NMDA receptor and the ion channel it controls...here's the whole thing:
See the ion/calcium channel? There's always a magnesium ion just chilling inside the channel when the ion channel is off, acting as a dam to ion flow. When glutamate and glycine bind to the receptor and the cell receives enough electrical current, the magnesium jumps out and lets the ions flow. Now for some reason, right above the magnesium binding site is the phencyclidine binding site which is in the channel itself. No one has figured out why it exists, but they say it can't be a coincidence and that there has to be some sort of biological analogue to PCP. Anyway, when you take PCP, PCP also likes to chill in the ion channel, but when the cell gets enough current and the neurotransmitters bind, it isn't forced out like the magnesium. It just sits around, clogging your ion channels, causing them not to fire when they are supposed to. This is why PCP can get so chaotic at high doses, your cells are misfiring and its up to the PCP molecule to come and go from the channel as it pleases. If you want to learn more google "phencyclidine binding site". It really interacts with your brain differently than any other drug I've seen.
Knowing the pharmacology, this drug sits atop the list of drugs I will never touch. Someone mentioned in a post earlier in this thread about people not being "strong-minded" enough to do PCP. But at a certain point you're just turning things off in your brain, and what happens next is a luck of the draw.
Back in the 80's while in school, Dust was around within the group of hardcore drug abusers. I bought weed from a guy who shot it up 3-4 times a week. That was insanity. I smoked a joint with someone I didn't know and wasn't informed it had Dust in it. I had used high quality LSD, the kind that didn't feel like it had speed in it, many times before this. I don't remember a lot about the night. I do remember that I was at home with my sister and screaming for her help while on a barstool. While she held me, I climbed down the stool like a 100ft ladder. Everything was very far away to me. She had to stop my freakouts a few times. It's one of those things that I am glad I tried it but will never touch it again.
Haven't heard of Dust or Acid being around in many years.
Sure would like some of that Acid gain. Eat a half a hit of blotter and sit on couch for 15hrs while having wonderful visual and auditory hallucinations.
In the early 70's it was the hottest drug on a college campus 70 miles southwest of Chicago. It was sold as THC, but could be insulfated. It came in a lump (like play dough)...about 1/4" X 1/4" X 1/8".
Snorting it was a bit painful, but one package would work for 2-3 people.
Remember it being mildly hallucinogenic, generally fun, but also left the user highly suggestible and totally dis-inhibited. A friend had me convinced we were under attack from the Viet Cong, so we hid in a ditch between two dorms for who know how long.
Tried PCP once many, many moons ago - late 80's I suppose. Only thing I really remember about it was everything appeared flat, no three dimension at all, like walking through a picture book.
On a lighter note, my brother (whom these days I affectionately call "dumb ass"), was 10 years my elder and was into it for a bit. Had his illiterate girlfriend at the time tattoo his arm which now reads: "Dust of Angles". Gotta love it!
I had a conversation with an acquaintance once when it came up in conversation. He tells me that there is still a good amount of PCP being made and shipped out of Southern California. He says mostly the black gangs that control the trade. Supposedly, it isn't sold or used in California since there is case law here that can get you tried for murder if someone dies while hopped up on some PCP you sold them. He tells me that is why no one wants to sell around here, and why it is mostly brought out of state.
Honestly though, that stuff scares the shit out of me.