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after further experimentation swim would like to retract the term "clear headed".
for swim the effects of mephedrone are actually quite impairing, hard to concentrate on anything or to actually think clearly. this does not prohibit enthusiast social interaction, but there is a definite form of murky inebriation. swim's buddy often finds himself saying "herm, it's a little hard to explain atm" in discussions going beyond chitchat.
the aftermath is also pretty heavy, with strong fatigue that is not just a sleep related issue, last 2 to three days, with already described consequences on mood. reports of rather strong depression / dysphoria are also coming in.
another thing, when insufflated, what elements of the drip reach the mouth can cause mouth burns / ulcerations. dilution might be much more recommended.
This is a letter swim has received from a friend of his cousin. At the time that particular friend was 73 kgs, male, and the dosage was 1.7 grams over 17 hours.
Here is the letter swim received (the friend of his cousin apologises from the extremely large amount of text):
" go to the mailbox and find the package! Woo-wee! It's morning, I'm alone at home and I got nothing elso to do!
I have a fully empty stomach in preparation for this experience.
t+00.00: taken 1 pill with 1 beer
t+00.15: slight urge to dance
t+00.20: I burped slightly, and could feel the mephedrone taste up my throat, interesting
t+00.25: drinking another beer, nothing else yet. snorting half a cap.... damn that hurt!!!
t+00.30: I'm getting the rushes I've been hearing about - nice
t+00.35: THIS IS FUCKING GREAT ( this is all I could write coherently at the time ) The euphoria was overwhelming, it hit me full on. It was the most powerful sensation I have ever felt in my life. Objects appear with a blur and I get a sudden rush of speed in all of my limbs and body parts.
t+00.35 - 03.15: throwing myself around, being among the clouds, dancing like a maniac on any song possible. It was so unbelievable I started calling all my close friends to tell them how brilliant this BubbleLuv is!Went outside in the sun and relaxed in a chair! It was like I was melding with nature, so nice! Then I went into the middle of the street with a big smile on my face, stood there, and raised my arms in the air as in a victory gesture... That was the best part ever, I could still hear my music from my window and felt the need to dance in the street, but I abstained myself :P
t+03.15 – 04.00: efects diminishing gradually
t+04.00 – 06.00: I guess that’s the comedown... I feel pretty bored, not really in the mood to do anything, so I try to get some sleep, as I am exhausted after 4 hours of restless dancing and moving
t+06.00 - 09.00: Got some sleep!(albeit difficultly) Some really wicked, vivid dreams! I usually experience lucid dreams, in which I am aware of being in a dream, but these ones seemed so real and I remember most of them. I really was surprised by the shift in reality when I woke up, nice.
I wake up in the night.
My internet isn't working and it seems it won't work until tomorrow, no one wants to go out( it's monday, eh ) ...
So... Let's try to get to heaven again!
t+00.00: snorted half a cap, this time in 2 nostrils! Much more manageable then snorting a full 100 mg up just one nostril. This is 3 times worse than K on the nose...
t+00.15: Appreciation for some chilled hip-hop and raggae music.
t+00.45: taken another cap to get some full effects.
t+01.00: wow! now it's becoming pretty speedy - listening to drum'n'bass now
t+01.15: The speed continues to increase: It's time for some speedcore.
t+01.30: Time for another dose to continue the trip of a lifetime
t+01.50: Now I'm a one man rave. cheers! Having so much fucking fun!
t+02.05 - 02.15: Some orgasmic heat waves through my body compelled me to start masturbating... weird! I went with the flow anyway The feeling was awesome! It was pretty hard if not impossible for me to get a full erection on this but it sure felt fucking awesome!
t+02.20: Snorted on whole cap to to this high euphoria up!!!
t+02.30: Full on euphoria!!! Nasal doses act much quicker and with a much bigger slap it seems. mephedrone is fucking awful on the sinuses, lemme tell you that, I feel like someone poked them with a big needle!
t+03.25: took out another beer! this certainly will up the effect of...... the next cap I'm going to take! Now I understand how this is fiendish... But it sure pays, the feeling that you don't need any other drug mephedrone gives is great!
t+03.50: the other cap ...I have a good feeling about this! My net is now working so I can talk to people too
t+04.20: The effects come again, this time in a more chilly manner, I feel like smoking a joint to go with this
t+04.55: Now I begin to go into a phase when I am concentrated on every song, I understand every little sound. And I'm merging with the music. The tolerance is there, but not REALLY that much... I haven't made the follow-up doses bigger, but the same or smaller, and every time I very satisfyingly trip...
t+05.10: Feeling tingling sensations all over my body, especially my face, this is cool Think will up a massive dose later on! It's gonna be HEAVAN
t+05.35: Now comes the biggest dose of the night! Just took 2 caps at the same time… I think this will hit me hardcore ( btw I’m still feeling those tingling sensations all over, and experiencing some mild jaw clenching )
t+05.45: I feel the jaw clenching going away, hope when the trip blows I won’t pay much attention to it anymore… Anyway I just feel it when I try to smile, so it’s not that bad
t+06.05: Wow this is announcing itself to be as good a trip at the first one from this morning
t+06.20: mild reduction in effects…
t+06.50: The trip is a mild one ( I think 2 beers would have been better with that last dose, oh well ) Anyway it’s a really chilled out pleasant trip, and I seem to be taking great pleasure in playing arcade games, interesting…
t+07.20 - 08.00: I’m slowly going to baseline... It seems my writing skills were somewhat lacking at this time (I only noticed the mistakes I made then the next morning)
t+08.15: Any trance except the tingling in various bodyparts is gone - now the tingling has come back with a vengeance it seems!
t+08:30 I look in the mirror and my pupils are still noticeably dilated, strange...
t+08.45 - 09.00: I'm in bed, trying to sleep, this is really difficult - What happens right now is pretty funny - Every time I close my eyes I start seeing Tetris being played, by me. After keeping my eyes closed for 3 minutes or so, I start getting some small weird dreams, and voices in my head, but I quickly wake up again after each one.
t+09.15 - 09.45: Ok, now I still can't sleep, and I go to check my watch ( It's 7:30 AM dammit, I gotta get some sleep ) and my pupils (they were normal). Now something pretty strange happens: I start seeing ripples and waves on my ceiling and walls. A few minutes after that, the effects change - When I keep my eyes open, every 3-4 seconds a flash of bright yellow and white light appears in front of my eyes, intriguing... I finally start to get sleepy. ( I think I fell asleep at aprox. t+09.45 or 8 AM)
t+10.45 - 10.50: I wake up again to piss... I'm pissing like an elephant. Oh, now here's an interesting note: I drank AT LEAST 8 litres of water and 2 litres of beer throughout the whole report. I had no idea someone could drink that much water. I come back from the toilet, and get into my bed, only to realise I am feeling really cold! ( the temperature in the room was 25 - 30 degrees celsius ) really strange... I throw a blanket over myself and fall asleep again.
t+14:50: I wake up. I feel pretty good! The first thing I did was piss, and the second was to come and finish this report (I really enjoyed the experience and not writing a report about this would have been a shame) The only bad thing is the pain in my foot soles I got from 4 hours of jumping around like a madman.
This small meph binge was absolutely worth it! I never thought a legal stimulant could be this potent and mind-blowing. I look forward to repeating the experience at a party somewhere sometime in the future, but take this as a friendly warning: DON'T take this day in day out, this is really heavy on the heart and the respiratory system from what I could gain. "
This drug is amazing cause it is exclusively an euphoriant for Chimp making just anything enjoyable. No push to talk to people, no push to hug, love and socialising, just a deep and strong Let's be happy no matter what feeling.
The night was a really bad one acording to ape, no one is town, party in big city is dead in august, but anyway after apes dosed the boring night took a funny turn.
This stuff is euphoria, nothing else, super mood lift, the most artificial euphoria you can imagine, monkey coming down now he will inform later on.
Good stuff indeed, monkey too hight to be writting a detailed report, sorry!
don't know if it's really a question of boredom, but after a few times, as this is often the case, it begins to feel quite physically damaging, and much more heavy on one's system than initially thought. it's also not as pleasurable as it first seems, and the nature of the effects, which first felt really balanced, can get quite frustrating even when spacing out doses. high doses are too inebriating. The days after are rather hellish. Severe nystagmus, muscular tensions. The critters can surely identify with what Lehendakari and others wrote, but once the honeymoon is over, the psycho-physiological price to pay starts feeling a little high.
After swim experienced sub coca a couple of times, he spilled the whole 5 gram bottle over the floor. Which could be described as a bit pity...
Luckily greedy capitalists have found out that the main ingredient equals a vast customer base, so it was easy to find for swim. Here goes his experience report.
Weight: Didn't weight, probably between the 70 and the 80 kgs
Substance: 4-methyl methcathinone (mephedron), gbl
Dose: 50, 50, 100 mg with an interval of 2 hours
Intensity of experience: Medium Experience
Time is in hoursT + 0: Snorted the first line. It burns a bit, not as bit as sub coca. Swim had to sneeze.
T + 1/4: Getting up. Swim is getting cold, which means his body temperature went up.
T + 1/2: Really nice euphoria. A bit mdma like, but not too much. Got quite horny. Watching porn.
T + 1: Jacking off. Orgasm easily reached. Orgasm intensified. After orgasm swim has a nice after glow. HR is quite high now, probably due the sexual activity.
T + 1 1/2: HR returned to more or less normal. Listening music. Get more into it.
T + 2: Starting to get down. Swim does another line.
T + 2.5: Up again. More euphoria than previous time. Swim calls with a friend and is talking away.
T + 3: End of phone call. Swim is making origami's (japanese folding art). It is easy to concentrate on this task.
T + 4: Another line.
T + 4 1/2: Another line. Swims dick got hard after the thought of another line. Euphoria less than first.
T + 5: Seems to be a bit too much for swim. Got too tense and a little bit panicked. Do some breathing exercise to get a grip on the panic thing.
T + 5.5: Very good euphoria. Swim feels every breath. Got a very nice feeling in his stomach. Like butterflies. Can't concentrate well on the origami business.
T + 6: Coming down. Feeling tired.
T + 6.5: Bit burned out feeling. More so than on speed or cocaine session with the same duration. Taking GBL.
T + 8: Feeling ok again due to the GBL. Going to sleep.
Next morning swim remembered a lot of strange dreams, which could be because of the GBL. He felt ok and had no hangover. He was a bit concerned he would still fill burned out a bit, but that didn't happen. He would like to know how this compound combines with GBL. He did like the compound, but he didn't like the considerable crash. It was a short crash, but pretty low.
I know of 1 individual who reported this compound to be "wonderful." also, "much more than a stimulant, highly euphoric," but the only other person simply stated that it made her "feel weird."
Heart rate and Blood Pressure DID increase (not unlike recent accusations that this drug can elevate heart rate and blood pressure). Would recommend that no one take this, but if someone were to take it anyway, they should be very careful about taking high doses, and should be aware of their heart rates both sober, and periodically when "on" this substance. Common sense goes a long way here. Generally, heart rates of 100 and over in someone simply browsing the internet are TOO HIGH! This should be a warning for one to stop all experimentation, especially in lieu of recent reported possible overdose death from someone with mephedrone in his possession. While forensic evidence was essentially non-existent, the patient suffered from what appeared to be a stimulant-induced toxic overdose. I would imagine that this person did not have, for example, methamphetamine in his system, or they would have certainly stated so in the medical report--such is the automatic action of medical professionals, to attribute like causes with like outcomes. So, if he had been methamp+ or amp+, they would have attributed his death to amphetamines...
however, it is also possible, that seeing as he had mephedrone in his possession, he might have also done any number of other stimulants or RC's that also would have NOT shown up in a toxicology screen (desoxypipradrol, etc.).
Here is the report, in their exact words, as delivered by someone in the Wal-Mart parking lot:
t:0: 50mg snorted (fifty mg)
t:15min "OMFUCKINGGOD…feels like full blown mdma…went from depressed mood to euphoric, sensual, want to savor bodily sensations, want to make love to myself(ha)
t=1:45 coming down quickly... redose with 75mg plugged.
t=3:18 think its starting to settle down again… some stiff neck, but to be expected b/c I've been on the gd computer! 75mg plugged.
-------NOTICE: LONG PERIOD OF ABSTINENCE BROUGHT ON BY ENVIRONMENT-----
t=11:00: 100mg plugged. feeling wonderful, magical, etc...
t=12:30: 110mg plugged. still feeling it...
t=13:15: 100mg plugged. wow, so good, but starting to fiend...difficult to say NO MORE! but did manage to stop here...somehow.
Conclusion: after this experience, can honestly say that MOST xtc tabs I've ever had were SHIT compared to this!! Seriously. Kills methylone…that is, unless all I've ever had was bullshit, cut, fake methylone. This is THE SHIT. Old school rolling. Like feelings had many many years ago…
notice how fiendish this activity became by the last dosing... this individual was requiring 100mg+ every 2 hours, then every 1 hour, then 45 minutes...
In closing, this activity was carried out a couple weeks ago. In the time after the experience, the individual who did this stuff has found many examples of his writing in journals, emails, saved notepad files, etc. that all demonstrate he was OUT OF HIS MIND while under the influence of this RC.... like CRAZY...
His thoughts and actions under the influence of this RC were much more like what someone would expect during either an intense LSD trip or when someone is CLINICALLY INSANE / SCHIZOPHRENIC!!
Contrary to the experience of others, there was no self-awareness of the "mephedrone stink" or "sweating out the mephedrone for days..." Although I highly doubt it, maybe he didn't do enough to notice??
I have no idea what is going on here neurologically... it certainly seems to have many basic stimulant properties, but also TO SOME PEOPLE it seems rather MDA-ish, even more so than methylone. It seems that this experience is the MINORITY of people who try this...I simply cannot account for the euphoria, and the apparently absent-minded psychosis which seemed to be quite unique to this one substance (from the report of my friend).
Thanks for posting that as you said you would Rich! Interesting read.
Little fishy tried small test doses last night to check for any adverse effects. Dose isn't actually known but it would have been something like 50mg, 50mg, 75mg over 3 hours intranasally.
Little fishy was fairly impressed with the chemical... once the full dose trip has been completed I will post both a full write up of the test dose session, the main dose session, and a full and detailed conclusion.
(Tried to give you some rep for posting that upon my request Rich, but have to wait a while... silly system).
It seems that this experience is the MINORITY of people who try this...I simply cannot account for the euphoria, and the apparently absent-minded psychosis which seemed to be quite unique to this one substance (from the report of my friend).
Interesting report, SWIR. Euphoria, absent-minded psychosis-- these are both expected effects of stimulants taken at a recreational dose, surely? SWIM thinks that all the psychoactive beta ketones have these qualities to some extent. They seem to him more 'deep' than well-known stimulants like cocaine or amphetamine.
Some people have accused cocaine of having a very SELFISH effect, and to the extent that statement is true, mephedrone can be called non-selfish...the euphoria seems to be more similar to the "lovey" feeling associated with real MDA/MDMA/MDEA. this feeling provides for a somewhat "trippy" experience--that is lush with emotional feelings of love & non-selfishness. the weird thing is the schizophrenia/mania that was apparent several days later. -DICK
He has a hard time beliving a drug like mephedrone ever gaining popularity on the streets. The high just doesn't seem like enough to ever make the drug popular on the streets.
Does anyone feel this drugs has been hyped by internet communities by people who had never had access to high quality cola, Meth?
SWIM doesn't seem how anyone could enjoy this as much as ur classic stimulants.
He does really enjoy the drug mephedrone tho! To swim Meph seems like it puts him in a really really good mood, But he cant consider it anywhere close to the mind blowing euphoria and peace with the world feeling he gets after smoking good meth or doing a few lines of coke.
Last edited by Terrapinzflyer; 31-01-2010 at 21:06.
it's just different...although i certainly wouldn't advise doing this, as not much is even known about mephedrone, and it is suspected as maybe raising pulse & blood pressure a little too much, i have heard of some less discriminating individuals mixing mephedrone with 10mg adderall to extend the duration of effects and to give it more jolt. -DICK
Last edited by Terrapinzflyer; 31-01-2010 at 21:06.
My friend has e-mailed be this trip report below, thought I'd post it here for others to read.
Pictures for reference:
Ref 1a:Ref 1b:
Background and test dosing:
Package arrived (see picture 1a), not going to be able to resist a test dosing tonight. The package came in 2 baggies wrapped in 6 sheets of A4 paper in an envelope, was still able to smell the compound through the envelopet.
One beer consumed 3.5 hours before. The test dose was measured out by eyeball, this is a bad idea but I have no scales. A weeks worth of research has been done on this chemical and the looks match descriptions and photographs viewed. The smell is also VERY distinct and just as described. It was decided to eyeball the dose as I am happy with the many reviews of the source and because the dosage is far lower than that of most of the trip reports read over the last few days. I would like to point out that it IS A BAD IDEA to measure dosages of research chemicals by eyeball as it is a step into the unknown. I do not condone or recommend anyone does the same.
T+0:00 - The line on the left in the above picture (see picture 1b) consumed intranasally, the smell is nasty, like stale urine and made me gag a little, some of the powder felt like it went straight to the back of the throat. Some isotonic sports drink consumed to clear throat. Little burn, nothing like the glass shards feeling of MDMA. The current mood before taking the chemical is kinda anxious/nervous due to the step into the unknown, but fairly comfortable and content.
T+0:10 - Feel slightly different, went to the bathroom and got some minor head tingles as I walked in. So mild it could easily be a placebo or something different all together.
T+0:30 - Feeling slightly above baseline but no serious affects, typing seems to be a little difficult which is odd. Spoke to parents and was definitely more talkative than usual. Decided to take the other line intranasally. I would make a guestimate of the total dose now being 50-100mg. No pupil dilation noticeable at this stage.
T+0:40 - Starting to feel a slow come up that I predict is about to become more intense. Listening to some happyhardcore and the music appreciation has increased a little.
T+0:45 - Feel really mentally happy, mild stimulation, loving the music. Felt the need to email the source and thank them for the amazing cross Europe delivery time (2 working days) and at the same time make an enquiry about what they will be stocking in the future.
T+0:55 - Decided to go to my car to get some CDs, phoned my friend L who is going to be trying the full experience with me, spent around 10 minutes on the phone and we decided that I'd pick her up tomorrow and let her try a small test dose for the same reasons as me. She is fairly experienced with drugs and is just as curious as I am. She has been my best friend for the last 3 years and is one of few people I trust. I am very comfortable with trying new things with her and think that because we have similar intellectual interests as well as a fun side to our personality's there is no other person I'd rather share the experience with.
T+1:30 - Can see why pretty much every other trip report said this substance is moreish, even low doses give you a craving. Guestimated another 100mg and attempted to snort, but the smell of stale urine and the fact it makes me gag stopped me from completing the line. Put the other half in a rizla and swallowed with isotonic sports drink.
T+2:55 - Starting to come down slowly and very smoothly, been listening to music through headphones for last hour and a half, much better louder. Really feel like taking more but promised I wouldn't, have enough to control to stop myself. Read somewhere about alcohol making you peak slightly again and the end of the trip, so going to have a beer.
T+3:45 - Pretty much back to baseline, actually feel a little tired, and going to bed to watch TV. Probably the easiest comedown I've ever experienced, if you could even call it that.
Firstly the dose really is unknown but is likely to be a maximum of 200mg which is a fairly low dose spread over 2.5 hours, I base that on the research I have done over various forums.
Come up was smooth and fairly enjoyable (although I prefer fast and hard come ups on MDMA). Music appreciation increased but not anywhere close to being on the scale of MDMA. The stimulation is not overpowering, felt really subtle and relaxing, do not think I will have trouble sleeping on this at the moment. The euphoria was fairly mild but I expect this to increase with dose, it was still enjoyable however. It does produce some jaw movement/gurning but nothing extreme. Also some anti-uretic effects were noticed, but once again these are mild. It's going to be interesting to see how all these factors scale up with dose. There was also an increase in heart rate although barely noticeable. Little to no pupil dilation. During the come down a little muscle twitching and very minor pain on chest, not uncomfortable though.
Feel asleep 2 hours after the experience and had a really sound sleep (~9 hours). Woke up feeling completely fine, if not a little happier than usual. Had the urge to do some straight away but that passed after 15 minutes. Can really see the potential for addiction if your personality is susceptible to that. Really had to fight the urge last night. RC's are not something you want to become addicted to, due to the toxicity and long term affects being unknown, but with the ease of availability of some of them at fairly cheap prices it is a very easy thing to succumb to I would imagine.
Overall a very smooth and enjoyable experience, but I'm going to carry over a lesson learned from MDMA, this chemical requires respect.
* Gender/Weight: Male 75KG (~165lbs).
* Dose taken: Lost track after some time. 1.8g between 2.
* Route of administration: Insufflated/Oral.
* Setting: Best friends house, comfortable.
* Duration of main effects: 45mins to 1hour.
* Main effects: Mild euphoria, talkative, happy and content.
* Side effects: None.
* After effects: Slightly elevated heart rate, breathing affected. Nothing serious.
* Rating of the experience: 7/10
* Addictive qualities / abuse potential: High due to being extremely moreish and the fact it has no come down.
* Other drugs: No other drugs used recently.
* Stomach contents: Small meal eaten 4 hours prior.
* Other info: None.
Went back to my best friends (we'll call her L) house, setting was warm, comfortable with music in the background.
18:00 - L takes 50mg oral and 50mg intranasally, I took 100mg oral and 100mg intranasally. Required some water as the drip on this stuff is nasty.
18:03 - I start to feel the effects, unexplainable mild feeling in the head, felt kinda floaty/off balance. Really surprised as it took over 20 mins when a test dose was taken the day before.
18:05 - L is on the phone but stops the conversation and describes to me how she feels, it matches exactly what I felt. (I didn't tell her how I was feeling).
19:00 - Both of us are more or less down, feels like we're almost back to baseline. Decide to dose 100mg intranasally and 100mg orally each.
19:00 to 21:40 - Kinda got lost around this time, effects wearing off quick so dosing every hour or so. Attention span to a specific task affected. Trying to do things on laptop but kept switching between different tasks and going back and forth. Losing train of thought sometimes when we are talking.
21:40 - Pretty much back to baseline, feel kinda normal. Went to shops to buy some supplies. Cashier made comment about her not being able to think straight, almost said you need to try the drug we're on and then your know what that's like.
22:00 - Cracked open a can of beer, after 5 minutes it seemed to increase effects slightly but not significantly.
22:10 - We both dosed again, forget how much this time, all taken intranasally. I found the effects have diminished and are not as pronounced.
22:10 to 01:30 - Spent all this time talking about our friendship, our holiday in Spain, Science and Chemistry. Easy for conversations to go off in a tangent and come back on track at a later time. Very talkative, but we tend to be like that anyway.
01:30 - I dosed again, probably around 200mg intranasally, L decided not to do any more as she has work the next day. We carry on talking.
02:30 - We go to bed. Did not come back up at all off that last dose.
05:30 - It was around this time I finally got to sleep. Whilst lying there for 3 hours trying to sleep some random crazy thoughts went through my head. Heart rate was up a little (feel it in chest) and breathing was affected but was nothing to worry about.
07:30 - Woke up and took L to work, feel quite tired due to lack of sleep.
I found the euphoria of this drug to be a fraction of what it is on MDMA. The duration of the drug, at least for us was really short. What really does work out nicely for this drug is it returns to baseline very smoothly with no crash whatsoever. Pretty much everything else is covered in the conclusion above for the test dose taken the day before.
I would possibly use this drug again, but not for the foreseeable future whilst there are others to try.
Little fishy forgot to add that the smell of the chemical being excreted in sweat, as reported by a couple of others, was not noticed at all. However, what was noticed is that if a lot of the chemical is snorted it can leave a residual smell in the nose which every so often you get a whiff of. The smell is also still on the tips of little fishys fingers from racking up the lines despite multiple washes.
Little fishy thought it smelt like stale urine, a kinder milder version of the smell you get in multi story car park stair wells where people piss in the corners. Definitely a potent smell that isn't too nice for snorting.
hahaha, yep. that's exactly right. also, if one tries to post something on the internet, one should be careful because before you know it, there will be 15 open windows, all with 1/2 answered replies.
Little fishy was inspired by your friends post(s) to try this RC, but never quite did make it to that state. Weird thing is whilst your up for a short period focusing your attention to one task is difficult and you keep doing little bits on various tasks, 5 minutes later your down and can easily drive with no problems whatsoever. (Note: Drug driving is silly!)
The smell is vaguely vanilla with an strong rotting fish odour. If the smell is more diluted just smell like strange vanilla candy.
Swim finds the drug a bit like mdma. But just a small bit. It is not the whole pie. He has to add, that he doesn't get dyslectic after an evening of mephedrone use (which he will be after mdma use). But he is a bit down the next day.
The stuff self is less fiendish that cocaine. He never 'accidentally' kept up the whole night doing mephedrone like doing coke. (Well ok, he did it 5 times now -and if he take the experiences of a friend with him 8 times-, so that isn't a rock solid conclusion)
Swim will measure hr and bp after use next time, so he can compare effects on the body.
Edit: About the smell. His girlfriend can smell it the day after the experience. Swim self can't.