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Well- first: does swims critter have any current tolerance to LSD? Any drugs- legal or otherwise that might affect their tolerance used in the last 2+ weeks? How frequently has swims critter used LSD in the past 6 months?
Any idea of the quality of the "hits"? average? weak? strong?
Whats swims normal dose when using LSD, and what's the high end of their experience level?
Make sure SWIY has a sober sitter. I know we all often tend not to follow that advice, but with 20 tabs its a must. Make sure SWIY is ready for this, if there is apprehension, wait till a better time. Taking one hit in order to determine potency won't hurt either.
sober sitter? Quite a selfish thing to expect a friend to sit through your jacobs ladder experience. Just don't do it. Its a stupid idea. The only people I knew who did that ended up in the mental health system for a long time. not that it was necessarily the acid that did it but there has to be something wrong to seriously consider doing that in the first place.
Nick Nicely added 7 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...
BTW swim knows what he's talking about, once having taken an insane number of liberty caps in his youth. Went into a different fucking dimension and came out of it thinking he was dead for about two weeks after then was scared to leave the house for weeks after that. Reckon that would have finished off a lot of people, fortunately swim had a high tolerance for psychedelics at the time. At its peak it got so intense that swim's consciousness actually shut down through what can only have been some sort of sensory overload. swim dreads to think what 20 decent strength acid tabs could do.
Last edited by Nick Nicely; 20-09-2010 at 22:19.
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
You mentioned that you want to have the most intense trip of your life, but why? Do you want to have a fun time, know yourself better, experience something new...? It's a question you should ask yourself, but I am really curious as well, so....?
If it's because you want to become more englightened, understand yourself, or some other psychonaut reason than I would advise you to not go through with your plan. The positive effects that taking 20 hits of lsd may have on your mind is so small compared to the massive amount of psychological damage that could occur.
With almost all drugs as the dose increases the side effects begin to increase more than the effects of the drug.
For instance, if someone were to have 20 cups of coffee they would be more awake than if they had 3 cups, but their hands would be shaking really hard, their pulse would skyrocket...etc
SWIM has taken 5 tabs of double stacked blotter sheet at once, and even being an extremely experienced tripper, it was approaching the "too much" area. There was a point where he essentially lost consciousness and woke up an hour later on his lawn. He couldn't tell how long ago he'd taken them, because he couldn't comprehend the concept of time moving forward. One song on his ipod seemed to last 30 minutes.
There was also a time when he took 10 hits of single stacked, less powerful acid and was thoroughly disappointed with the trip. He didn't get much out of it- but he had a tolerance this time. He didn't for a previous one.
He's also taken a dose of 1,608mg of DXM, which was far more powerful than any acid trip he's ever had. You don't fully come back from these things, he suspects. If something goes AT ALL wrong once you're tripping that hard, you're at the whim of the wind my friend. Anything could happen.
The concept of double-dropping, triple-dropping or worse, whether it be Ecstasy or Acid has long been accepted on the basis that others may have done worse and survived. The phrases become part of the drug lexicography, to the detriment of harm reduction.
As Terrapinz has stated, the only questions that need to be answered are:
1. The composition of the tabs in question
2. The composition of previous tabs ingested
3. The personal tolerance for the known dosages taken previously
4. Whether any changes in physical, psychological or environmental conditions need to be factored in this time in order to reach a more complete understanding of what adjustments may be desired or needed.
Anything else is just potentially risky speculation and wild assumption, which could lead to erroneously taking a harmful dose.
SWIM thinks taking 20 would be pointless, it would just be too much to enjoy it. Save it, have enough so SWIY has a good trip that SWIY can enjoy and not turn into a complete vegetable. A lot of times being over-indulgent can back fire incredibly easily. SWIM wouldn't advise it. Also it depends how strong the acid actually is.
SWIM is an experienced psychonaught.. having tripped acid upwards of 50+ times. His normal dose is 6-7 tabs. SWIM took 6/7 tabs last week and was relatively disappointed with the effects. However that was different blotter than the blotter SWIM plans to drop. SWIM trusts his source, and doesn't doubt that it is, in fact, LSD.
By "most intense experience" swim means reaching a new level. SWIM has had intense trips off of LSD before, and intense trips off of 2c-e and mushrooms.. SWIM wants the effects described from 60's era acid.. purple elephants and shit.
well they say acid trips of up to 2000 micrograms were consumed not infrequently in the 60s with probably 1000 micrograms being an average strong trip at the time. Swim has not bought acid since the late 90s when, given the range of experiences a decent LSD trip could contain 150 micrograms, but was often much less. The thing with blotters is you really never can tell before taking them, swim is guessing he has had them 2 or 3 times stronger than this or maybe more and would have been fcuked if he'd decided to double drop on these occasions. swim really has no idea what the average blotter contains these days but if a decent tab contains 100 micrograms then your 20 trips will probably get you where you want to be.
If its an unusually strong batch swiy could be looking at 5000-6000 micrograms or more in which case swiy will probably wake up in a padded cell.
Obviously this is all pure conjecture, just trying to illustrate the potentially vast differences in possible strength when you multiply what ever you take by 20.
BTW swim does not think that purple elephant stuff ever happens no matter how much you take. at those doses swiy will be tripping so much swiy won't be able to see the hand in front of his face for all the swirling and stuff, let alone a purple elephant, unless its some sort of CEV. swim thinks that certain botanical psychedelics are probably better for genuine hallucinations.
Swim thinks its a bad idea , If you want an really intense trip drop 6 . Swim once dropped six, and had a sick trip . Lots of visuals , colors , hallucinations . A trip to remember . Plus wouldent you want to trip again ?
To be honest, if your friend were sure it would be ok, he'd have done it already. The fact that he needs to ask the question does raise some doubts as to the safety (his) of this idea. Does his friend realise that it's not the just the dose that makes for an awesome trip, it's his mind, his surroundings, these also contribute greatly.
Sparkles did quite a bit of acid back in the day (60s) and some of the most intense trips she can remember were not the ones where she ingested the most, it was the (mental) space she was in. Living in a community where everything was shared, where everyone cared about each other (professed to) and the culture of that specific era, made a huge difference, IMHO.
We weren't materialistic, our mindset wasn't about how much we had, it was about "did we have enough for everyone" And it was totally different to today. That alone could change the trip your friend is looking for. Being in the right space, with the right people will make all the difference. The fact that he's looking for "bigger" and "better", his own expectation could end up being the one thing that lets him down.
Try using the amount he already knows is safe for him, lose the expectation and just enjoy. That will be the best trip he'll ever have.
swim has consumed WAY upwards of 20 paper doses, in early 1993 at a dead show in oakland. 100%sure it was LSD.but swim was surrounded by family who makes his puddles full of crystal wash(FYI, a puddle is liquid LSD, dropped into the palm,that forms a puddle, sometimes overflowing down hand or wrist. and crystal wash is the liquid that is put onto the paper, not regular liquid, which may be 100 mikes per drop.crystal wash is like 400, simply because one drop of liquid will absorb into way more than 1/4"X1/4" but strenght of solution will depend on medium)look like baby asprin. swim knows swimmers that have done fingerprints and thumbprints(touching the crystal barehanded intentionally) knows two cousins who are said to have put 1/10g of lavender crys in Orange juice and split it.
dose is dependent on set,setting,as well as quality and correct identification,tolerance, and experience.
but trip sitters are a must in high doses
finally, swim has consumed lots(these storys sound like fibs from those not on the scene at thetime, so numbers wont be discussed) be careful, and swim hopes you gain insight in your quest.
With LSD, you can never really know the dose strength until after you have taken it, since the quality and quantity are usually unknown.
...and the possibility what you are holding is not even LSD at all.
In the late 80's, I was in JFK Stadium parking lot (the Dead were playing in the Spectrum for 3-days) and I saw a guy standing out in the street...nothing on, not even a sock...not sure how many hits he took, but he did get arrested.
but if swiy were at a dead show,in late 80s, 95%chance that what swiNAKED DUDE had was family product. only was a couple types, and even the lavender or champagne(swim think it was also called amber crystal) was pretty good.
set and setting. even an experienced psychonaut can take a small dose and have negative effects, due to set and setting.
maybe swiNAKED DUDE felt freer without clothes...not the place to act on ones thoughts, but...
furthermore, not to be rude, but if one knows the source, one can tell swiy close to the dose. swims bro got jars(at least once) that were 5.5g, so instead of making an extra 5 ten-packs, the doses were just 110 mikes, not 100.
Maybe swim had stronger tabs. but 3 cubes + 1 tab was enough to completely warp his world into everything and nothing and swim had dosed two tabs the day before. The mere prospect of any amount over 5 seems like enough to destroy anyone. But swim is probably gonna be crazy enough to try it anyway. swiy is quite the nut, i hope it was fun.
On three hits of liquid acid my friend's life was turned upside down.
She was transported into a completely different universe. Faced some of her biggest fears, and had to be babysat by friends all night. At one point she was covered in spiders in a bathtub full of spiders. Then she was in a dark circus. Nothing that was in the room was really there for a good solid 7 hours, 10 hours after dosing. It was snowing outside so she couldn't walk home so the sober roommate drove her home. Then had to go home to her parents and have them take care of her, after tripping for well over 24 hours because she redosed twice after the initial hit because it took longer for it to kick in than what she was used to.
It is important to respect the drugs potential, and 13.5 hits could produce a horrific experience that could leave a person damaged in worse ways than my friend. My friend was mentally scarred for about a year she would say.
She had taken up to 6 hits of acid before, but never had an experience like this one. She would never risk having an experience like that ever again, so if she does ever take acid again she probably will only take one hit.
Potency can be different from batch to batch, also other drugs can be sold on blotter paper, so an accidental overdose could be fatal if there was something other than LSD on the blotter paper.
Other drugs such as Bromo-DragonFLY, DOM, DOC, DOI are all very potent substances that are easily overdosed on that also come on blotter paper.
Beware the acid that takes 2-3 hours before you are high at all... for it is DO* amphetamine and you do not want 20 hits of that stuff. 20 blotter hits of DOB is a first class ticket to the mental ward... one way.