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In regards to the above extraction, It may be better for one to NOT use a coffee filter, and just use a pipette(or eye dropper to those without lab supplies) to siphon out the liquid and allow to evaporate. Many of the substances in pills have micron sizes that will get through a normal coffee filter, especially if squeezed. If one really wants to use a filter at least go to the store and buy a gold coffee filter.
This is one of the dumber ideas I've ever heard. It might work if you had pure valium that you could vaporize but smoking pills in a joint will do nothing. It will just burn up and have no effect. You might as well just flush the pills down the toilet if you're going to do this. It would be a huge waste of a drug that works just fine if you swallow it.
I completely agree. There is no question that taking benzos orally is the most effective method, so why go through all the hassle to smoke something when an individual can just eat it and be 100 percent sure they are getting the full effects of the substance?
Swim says Benzo's and alcohol are the best potentiating mixture, as Swim is on them now 100mg Valium - 5 .5mg Clonazepam, 6 x 8% 440Ml Bourbon colas and weed, But please be careful and know your tolerances this could be fatal.
Personally Tommy I would say extremely bad idea. I tried Valium ( diazapam) rolled in a J a few months back took me days to feel right again. At first i was fine, of course i just smoked a joint lol. then approx 40 mins in starting having hot flushes, extreme loss of balance, and heart palpitations. Just go the old fashioned way eat much much safer .
this guy tried smoking injectable valium that he soaked his weed in, it kinda worked but it was much more effective in the form it is intended for... if ur gonna try to smoke ur pill which is probably a waste, disolve it in a high proof alc, then put it on ur weed, or dip ur cigarette in it, let dry then smoke away
If u must try it disolve it with alc. and mix it with tobacco never smoke it pure, lungs will probely be fucked after short time.(80% tobacco and 20% benzo can be a good ration).
I have never suggested people to shoot up before but i think that is even better then smoking it.
i think best way is too put your pills up in anus.
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i think its your lungs who get the worst side effect(can feel like you have 1.degree burn damage in your lungs) never smoke it pure, disolve it with alc. and mix it with more tobacco then diazepam.
if you know your limmits not for newcomers, you can disolve it with alc and mix it with a drink or two, but its easy to overdose(fatal overdose) if you dont know your limmits.
Originally Posted by BearClaw
Catchy, smoking benzo's on a fag, a cigarette that is...
I have smoked diazepam tablets when in dire need of something, anything, to turn down the volume switch in my head. As I recall, it does work, does taste foul, and, if anything, is less effective than oral roa, or better, with all benzos imho, buccal/sublingual roa--what doesn't get straight into one's bloodstream is swallowed. No waste and I even like the taste!
Rectal roa's are another possibility, but many people find the very notion, erm, distasteful.
ive been RX'D xanax,klonopin,valium,Restoril and halcion all at one time or another in the past 17 years and ive never even HEARD of anyone smoking any kind of benzo pill. ive done research on it after seeing this thread and found out that it just wont work.AT ALL...Best method? Just eat the pill. thats the best way of getting the most from it.
P.S. Dont "snort" them eiether...benzos arent made to be absorbed by your mucous membranes.
In Germany, smoking off tinfoil was the preferred route of administration for flunitrazepam (brand name: Rohypnol) among opioid abusers. The abuse by smoking was so widespread that the pills were covered with a special coating to make them next to impossible to crush, but the junkies just licked it off.
There's a documentary video in which a former heroin junkie from the German city of Hannover describes how they used to smoke crushed flunitrazepam pills to potentiate the heroin high and how the pills were changed to make them harder to smoke and finally outlawed completely. It's in German though.
You can find it on Youtube as "Shore, Stein, Papier #16: Rohypnol".
I myself have smoked Diclazepam on a few occasions. 1 mg mixed with weed and tobacco smoked in a bong is my ultimate comedown (from stimulants) remedy. It gives a nice little instant rush, the next 20 minutes or so are cozy and warm and then it's off to dreamland.
The problem is that most of the pill i crush and mix is made up of other stuff. No idea what it is, but it is quite harsh when you smoke the pills pure in an oil burner, crack pipe or comparable apparatus. So i guess it is quite bad for the lungs, however i do not do this frequently, as i only use stimulants once per month or less.
When smoking benzos, it is imperative to not let them get too hot too quickly or it seems they will be destroyed by pyrolysis. So no direct flame to the powder.
looks like im gunna get slayed for this but you can not smoke benzos
to everyone who says they have smoked them (straight) and that it works i have two words 'placebo effect', to everyone who has smoked them with weed and claimed to feel an effect, well, that's just the weed
i don't mean to sound rude to all the people who say it can be done but i can't believe this thread has gone this far
i don't know if you are able to smoke pure diazepam etc (after extracting it) as i've never heard of anyone try it so i won't comment but i will definitely say that you can not smoke pills
file that away with the 'they use benzos/pharaceutical opiates to cut heroin old wives tale
I never heard of either snorting or smoking v's--sometimes ya get lucky and find a hospital ampoule, but that's rare. Alcohol and valium is a bad, bad mix, specially for one so young. Good way to end up in a coma, especialy if the kids are messing with forces they don't understand. After two decades+ of party hearty, I wouldn't smoke em under any circumstances. Chew em up, yeah, but a nose is a terrible thing to waste, specially when there's plenty of fine stuff to minister to it.
I'd show the young one some of the results of valium & beer abuse and mistakes: i.e. Young kids in comas whose parents have to decide whether or not to pull the plug. Ask her if she wants to put her parents in that situation. The young woman should stick to getting silly at a keg party, maybe indulging in a spliff, if she wants to live to see some real action. I hope you can help her to make a good decision.
On The Merits Of Carrot or Stick Approach When Giving Youngsters Advice; 1) Trying to strike fear into the hearts and minds of inexperienced youth, renders the message espoused, useless. 2) Whether intentional or otherwise, you're coming across as stern, disapproving, condescending, and, judgemental. Which is even more irritating. 3) No Sir, I don't like it.
As asserted by Großschmackhaft and as described in the mentioned video, Benzos are, for some at least smokeable, albeit smokeable being the wrong term here.
Vaporized would be the correct term, and since Vaporizers have multiplied, become more accessible and improved in the many years since this thread was started, there's kind of a new turn to the story.
What the ex-junkie (sorry for the term) in the video describes with Rohypnol was real in many places in Europe at the time. The 'problem' with the method was you'd probably lose most of it to combustion and those people were getting high off of the little vapor that was produced before combustion/degradation set in.
The problem with Flunitrazepam specifically, although i've read similar things about Clonazepam and other benzos, is that when burnt, they partially degrade into toxic substances, namely fluoride- and nitrogen oxides. So they have to be vaporized at the right temperature to be both safe and fully efficient. My guess is that the way the vapor is inhaled also plays a more important role here than with weed for example. This begs the question of the necessity or not of a specific medical apparatus.
As of now i have only found little info on boiling points of different benzos, but this would constitute a worthy addition to the info available on the matter. I'm not going to toss a benzo pill in a vaporizer just to see either. My guess is that the substance to be vaporized, be it Flunitrazepam or any other benzo, would need to be in a form where there are no more fillers/coatings or any other impurities present.
I know that a few benzos are still around in liquid form (glass ampoules) and i wonder if the evaporated content would yield usable material.
I was very happy to see the video and start some research, since i'd always heard/read and assumed that the most efficient ROI for these substances was oral. I'm personally not interested in actually doing that, since i know my benzos and i know i'd probably get in trouble on the addiction side of things with this method of consumption, but i find it very interesting from the medical/ER point of view, since administering medicine through IV is sometimes challenging with drug users, especially in recent days of wildly experimenting with novel compounds.
Ok boys & girls, the info i found on specialized chem sites point to the following problems when considering vaping any Benzo:
The most common benzos show a flash point (Lowest temperature at which a substance can vaporize to form an ignitable mixture in air) is around 250°C to 280°C and their boiling point around 450°C-500°C.
These very high evaporation temps and the fact their flash point is that much lower than their actual boiling point poses many problems and i don't think (correct me if i'm wrong) that using them in a commercial vaporizer is safe and viable option.
This probably explains the wikipedia description, stating that the diazepam can be used as an aerosol, the aerosol probably being formed by recrystallization of vaporized Diazepam in room temp. air. It can then be administered just as any aerosol, although i guess this would constitute a very expensive technique/product.
I'd like to test something like Diazepam coming in the same form as Ventoline, although i understand why such a thing will probably never hit the legal market: Very easy to OD and the addiction potential is multiplied by the incredible ease of use, the discretion (hence the ability to get high very discreetly and quick) and the very very rapid onset such a ROI might provide. Tempting, but very probably deadly for most.