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Old 19-07-2005, 20:14
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what do you guys think?

1. which high is better and why?

2.do you feel it neccessary to convert GBL to GHB?

3.do you think alot of GBL is bad, and if so does GHB not have the same problem?

thanks for any input, i appreciate it.
Old 19-07-2005, 20:22
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so....iŽve tried some ghb and a few days later gbl. I tried 2,5g GHB and 2ml GBL und in my opinion is GBL much better than GHB....a friend tried it, too. On GHB (2g) he gets no feeling...nothing and on GBL (2ml) he was really fuckinŽup.....GBL ruleeeez

and the conversation of gbl into ghb is easy with some glas-warez....but why convert....GBL would be converted in yourself into GHB....let your body dothe work......Edited by: topdowner
Old 19-07-2005, 22:13
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1) SWIM prefers GHB for a few reasons he only understands because he's
done lots of both. In general it's more subtle and is much longer
lasting than GBL. Once you get the hang of dosing/bumping GHB can
be more of an "operational" high. SWIM loves doing things on GHB,
like seeing movies, hanging out at the beach, walking around etc.
SWIM usually doesn't like the super intoxification that happens easily
and goes away quickly with GBL. Also see #3.

2) It's not necessary by any means; both will get you nice and high. See #3

3) Anecdotally there is a lot of evidence to support doing GHB over
GBL, not the least of which is the dreaded dopamine rebound and fast
addiction potential and withdrawals that GBL features. GHB isn't
exactly kids play either, but it seems to be easier to manage than GBL.

PS topdowner: 2g GHB is not at all equivalent to 2ml GBL. SWIM
needs around 3g GHB to get a good buzz similar to 1.9ml GBL.
After messing around with GBL for a bit SWIM prefers GHB any day.
Not to mention GBL can burn your throat and mouth!

Old 07-08-2005, 22:04
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blah, GBL and BDO both suck.

Convert to GHB.

GBL and BDO are toxic solvents! You are going to really screw up your pH and potassium levels with gbl and bdo usage.

And once again, I don't consider pure ghb powder physically addictive. I speak from personal experience, and from others who have tryed both and used both frequently, the dopamine rebound is WAY harder on GBL than it is on GHB.

GBL is physically addicting, on the other hand pure GHB is NOT, IMO it's only psychologically addicting. A lot of people think they are getting GHB when actually they are getting GBL or either a mixture of GHB with unreacted GBL in it.

If you get the pure GHB powder there is a big difference, and it is relatively safe by all means.

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gbl/ghb both are the same shit...BDO isa different kind of high and it could be toxic but so far is no conclusive evidence...

Old 17-08-2005, 01:44
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I can't talk for 4,BDO - I've never tried it and don't know a thing about it.

I'll throw some facts into this discussion though.

<ul>[*]Within a few minutes of entering your bloodstream, GBL is
hydrolysed into GHB (GBL + H2O -&gt; GHB). GBL does not require one
hydroxide ion to convert to GHB and this is not the cause of acidosis.

[*]GBL passes into the bloodstream quicker than GHB because of its higher solubility. I find GBL takes 5-10 mins to kick in.

[*]GBL is converted into GHB which is metabolised into CO2 and H2O.
GBL and GHB are both non-toxic and neither are their metabolites.[*]After a few minutes of being in your body, GHB and GBL end up the
same substance, how can there be a difference in the high? Think about
the science.

[/list]A few "facts" that I can't confirm with evidence:

<ul>[*]NaGHB maybe more harmful than GBL because of all the extra sodium
ions that your body probably doesn't need. Although with sensible
recreational use, these effects are most probably.[/list]What's this bullshit about GHB not being addictive but GBL not? Within
minutes GBL is the converted GHB, so how can there be a difference?

I call bullshit on those who claim the high of GHB and GBL is different, it's all in the head.

Admittedly, if GHB was not a scheduled drug in my country, I would
convert all my GBL to GHB just so I don't have to taste that awful
chemical taste again.

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There is an undeniable difference for some people, myself included.

I don't claim to have the science to back me up but GBL and GHB to me are completely different feeling highs. GBL gives me a bad rebound and doesn't last as long as naGHB, but this is subjective I know people say they get rebound from phenibut!

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