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They're asking about ethcathinone ie N-ethylcathinone/ 2-(N-ethylamino)-1-phenyl-1-propanone; no methylenedioxy ring involved in this one. It's related to diethylpropion and is a bog standard stimulant. About on a par or slightly less efficient than diethylpropion as an appetite supressant and pretty similar as a CNS stimulant (is a minor metabolite of diethylpropion if I remember correctly).
A sort of watered down methcathinone - OK if there's nothing else or you want to lose weight, but not enough oomph for most serious stimulant users
Last edited by fastandbulbous; 10-03-2007 at 23:56.
Methcathinone, definately! As mentioned above, ethylcathinone barely seems to be stimulating, and more of a weightloss drug, than a real stimulant. Methcathinone on the other hand, is comparable to methamphetamine, they are both very powerfull stimulants.
Ethcathinone is pretty weak in SWIM's opinion. He tried 40mgs this morning and had VERY minor euphoria, some jitters, and appetite suppression. He doesn't want to dose any higher, it was uncomfortable.
How long are the effects? Is there a lot of beta agonist activity (pounding pulse, irregular hear beat, etc...) in the manner of ephedrine? or is it more sedate than that. What SWIM is wondering is if this is 'speed lite' or something else entirely?
Any comments are appreciated )
SWIM has received a quantity of 2-ethylamino-propiophenone HCl (ethcathinone).
SWIM found the product to have a very distinctive odor, though SWIM is hard pressed to say what kind of odor. About the color of brown-rice flour, a very fine powder interspersed with a lot of small ‘rocks’.
SWIM does not have a pH meter handy, but the product seems to have a very acidic profile. In tasting a small rock, SWIM found the rock had quite a burn to it while on the surface of the tongue. Insufflating is not an option for this one.
SWIM then took a small sample (5mg) and vaporized it in a standard ‘glass pipe’ using an alcohol flame. Never mind that route, to acrid to really inhale anything. Very, very harsh vapor (probably due to the suspected low pH).
So, SWIM will be ingesting 50mg to start with. This will be dissolved in H2O (tap) and imbibed all at once. SWIM has smoked some mj today (and will continue to do so throughout this assay) and had 6 pints of lager last night (about 14 hours ago).
T+0h: 00m—50mg ethcat consumed in 8oz. glass of water.
At this point, SWIM decides that the 50-100mg dosage information may be a bit on the conservative side, especially in light of SWIM’s body weight (135 kilos) and overall ‘hard-headedness’ with regard to stimulants. So, SWIM adds 100mg to a fresh cup of water and consumes it over the course of one hour.
T+0h: 45m—100mg ethcat consumed in 8oz. glass of water over period of 60 minutes.
T+1h: 15m—very definite effects presenting now, hear rate increased, body temperature feels elevated (but it isn’t, per an oral thermometer), pulse elevated. Feeling very focused on the moment. Appetite is non-existent, but SWIM could eat if SWIM made SWIMself. Not as pushy as methamphetamine in the appetite suppressant area.
At this point SWIM decides that this is similar to ephedrine, but without the beta-agonist activity ‘push’ of ephedrine. More clear headed than ephedrine.
SWIM is very definitely feeling stimulated, more than caffeine, for sure, not as dopaminergic as methyl or dimethyl PEA, but decidedly more so than MDPV. Kind of reminds SWIM of cocaine in the way that SWIM just wants to stay where SWIM is at and ‘amp’. Going out does not sound in the least bit appealing. A little anti-social in that way, SWIM thinks.
The clock is laughing at SWIM. Seems just minutes since SWIM began, not 90 minutes that has elapsed by SWIM’s clock.
SWIM is feeling like this is, as fastandbulbous wrote, watered down methcathinone. But, SWIM does not regard that as a bad thing. For SWIM, this is by far the greatest discovery SWIM has made in the area of non-psychedelic, stimulant, research chemicals. A most treasured discovery by SWIM.
This compound seems to lack a STRONG addictive ‘hook’. Unlike methcathinone, or methamphetamine, SWIM does not notice a strong ‘jones’ to do more. The euphoric rush isn’t really present with the ethcathinone, but SWIM does feel good, better than pre-assay. And SWIM is really getting into the writing of this report.
All in all, SWIM rates this 'Thumbs-Up'.
To editorialize a little, this really is a great harm-reduction story. SWIM says the benefits of having a reliable source of a product that is consistently of the same quality and potency at a reasonable price is what it’s about. No guessing about what the ‘cut’ is, no wondering about the potency, and no second mortgage required to do one’s self up right. SWIM is certainly not saying this stuff is safe in any way. Just that a very large piece of the ‘variable pie’ has been dealt with, so SWIM can blame only SWIM for any misadventure.
SWIM will post once more on this episode in several hours to evaluate the duration of effects and any come-down issues
The following report has been submitted for transcription via several anonymous sources. It regards the remainder of SWIM’s experience report (the ‘follow up’) and is now presented for informational purposes only.
“2-ethylamino-propiophenone HCl (ethcathinone):
The half-life of this compound in vivo, based solely on duration of effects, seems to be around 5-8 hours.
The after effects of this material were (after staying up all night and all of the next day with no sleep) not as uncomfortable or unpleasant as those SWIM has had using methamphetamine. In particular, SWIM had very little psychological ‘detritus’ the following morning (about +12 hours). SWIM felt mostly clear headed (though a little on the ‘spacey’ side), had no aches or pains to speak of.
An increased sense of well-being was noted approximately 36 hours after the initial dose and persisted throughout the day. Not a manic state, in SWIM’s opinion, but just a very comfortable, complacent, accepting state of mind. This seemed atypical in comparison to SWIM’s methamphetamine experiences.
Some arrhythmia (in SWIM’s untrained opinion) presented from approximately hour 12 to hour 20. SWIM is not sure if this related to metabolites of ethcat (seeing how this did not manifest until several hours later), is an idiosyncratic reaction, or something else entirely. SWIM has not experienced this symptom on methamphetamine. SWIM has experienced this symptom on MDPV (though on MDPV this effect was noted well within the first 3 or 4 hours after ingestion of amounts over 20 mg). This, in SWIM’s opinion, is the single negative effect that merits the most attention for obvious reasons (SWIM wants to live as long a life as is possible).
Of lesser concern is an unpleasant but expected effect of any stimulant used to excess, fatigue. Lasting approximately 36 hours post ingestion, this fatigue seemed more pronounced than what SWIM associates with a similar level of intoxication on methamphetamine.”
End of Report
Last edited by UberDouche; 24-08-2007 at 04:56.
Reason: Rule compliance
someone injected 60mg IV of ethcathinone, initial rush was quite strong, slight dizziness, increased heart rate. Effects diminished after a few minutes, if you close your eyes and lay down, the euphoria is quite pronounced, very compulsive , found - that someone did - was boosting every 40 minutes or so. Mixed a syringe with ethcathinone and dexamphetamine and found the empathy content stronger , worked really well. At one stage there was injected a little too much ethcat, giving that queesiness in the gut feeling similar to a large IV dose of mdpv, feeling soon subsided and general stimulation followed.
Last edited by nanobrain; 08-07-2007 at 01:53.
Reason: read rules, learn to swim
After several more experiments of varying dosages and durations, SWIM notes that the heart palpitations referred to in an earlier post have not presented since the first assay. SWIM is quite pleased with this substance.
Also, SWIM has since insufflated 50mg and found it to be no more of an irritant to the nasal passages and sinuses than methamphetamine. SWIM still has not smoked any more of it, nor does SWIM plan on that route in the future.
Snorting did not subjectively seem to have any advantages in terms of time of onset or rushing/euphoria. No reason to do that again, says SWIM. SWIM's personal preference is to dissolve in water, stir, drink.
Last edited by UberDouche; 10-07-2007 at 08:29.
SWIM says 1.8-2.2mg/kg is where SWIM is at. This amount yields effects that ‘spin’ SWIM. This is not consumed all at once, as has been noted, but drank over a period of 1 to 1 1/2 hours.
So, SWIM thinks the 50-100mg dosages are fine for a non-recreational experience, where one might want to get something done, but even at 100mg the experience lacked any 'spin' to it.
Also, as this was SWIM's first time using this material there was a 'training period' for SWIM's body to adjust to the new chemical. After the 'break-in', SWIM became more comfortable with this compound and began dosing 3 or 4 times over the course of an evening (6 hours, or so) with great results. But it should be mentioned that total quantity of ethcat used on such an evening has never exceeded 500mg.
This stuff has its own personality, which SWIM likes. Different but the same, compared to the PEA stimulants, more pleasurable than MDPV, not as pleasurable as meth, not as prone to drug seeking behavior as meth, It wears off more quickly than methamphetamine and has less inertia to it coming down. There is some definite jaw-clenching with this stuff and some folks don’t care for the ‘amped’ feeling it produces.
and has anyone attempted basifying and to what effect?
75-100mg via oral is a warmer version of 10mg oral MDPV with little peripheral harshness, 2 hours for full effects, duration ~8, no noted depletion of DA, a tool for the ol' shed fixin days for 'dem rats. coffee. mm, coffee...
SWIM can agree on that dosage is between 50 to 100 mg nasaly. N-ethyl-cathinone is quite nice and without any real sideeffects. It is a more subtle version of amphetamine wich is very social in it's nature. It's best used in a social setting with other users. Works wounders on ones ability to speak ones mind.
I am bumping this thread as swim has recently discovered the availability of this chemicals to him and is considering a series of experiments. Is this a worthwhile social stimulant? What is its approximate duration? Any further info will be much aprreciated.
seems like a very dull and potentially quite dangerous stimulant.
anymore info other than the quoted wikipedia page, especially on experiences and combinations with ethcathinone / ethylcathinone ie 2-ethylamino-1-phenyl-propan-1-one ?