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Old 31-01-2010, 14:28
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Railing Vyvanse

Hey guys long time swimmer first time poster, good to finally have an account though... anyway this good friend of mine SWIM, he heard somewhere in the darkness of the internet that you can theoretically microwave vyvanse for a minute and then rail them (whereas you wouldnt be able to previously because of the lining). I keep telling him its just a bunch of bull but anyone that truly knows SWIM knows he is a dreamer, so is it possible? could SWIM microwave or do anything else to a vyvanse pill to make it nasally acceptable?

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Old 31-01-2010, 15:50
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

Vyvanse is lisdexamphetamine. It is bound to lysine, meaning that it has to be digested in order for it to become active. SWIM doesn't know if microwaving it will detach the dexamphetamine from the lysine. SWIM has his doubts about this. If SWIM wants to abuse vyvanse, then SWIM would say to just take a shitload of it. 50 mg vyvanse is really just 25 mg of amphetamine (SWIM thinks this is approx. how the dosages go, it might be 30 mg amphetamine) So SWIM would say that around 80 to 110 mg vyvanse would be pretty fun without a tolerance. Be safe
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Old 31-01-2010, 16:07
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

The inability to insufflate lisdexamfetamine (Vivance) has nothing to do with a coating or lining on the medication. As far as SWIM knows, Vivance is manufactured in capsule form and not as a coated or time release tablet. The reason Vivance cannot be insufflated is because Vivance contains dextroamphetamine that is coupled with an amino acid (L-lysine). Lisdexamfetamine has to be ingested in order for the intestinal tract to convert it into active dextroamphetamine. This conversion can not take place without the aid of digestive enzymes and therefore won't work well if insufflated.

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Re: Railing Vyvanse

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The inability to insufflate lisdexamfetamine (Vivance) has nothing to do with a coating or lining on the medication. As far as SWIM knows, Vivance is manufactured in capsule form and not as a coated or time release tablet. The reason Vivance cannot be insufflated is because Vivance contains dextroamphetamine that is coupled with an amino acid (L-lysine). Lisdexamfetamine has to be ingested in order for the intestinal tract to convert it into active dextroamphetamine. This conversion can not take place without the aid of digestive enzymes and therefore won't work well if insufflated.

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SWIM got two 20 mg Capsules of Vyvanse 2 nights ago. First time SWIM had seen them but they were capsules with a coating and SWIM just dumped the balls in his mouth and chased it down with some beer.

Took about an hour and a half for them to kick in.

It's almost impossible to abuse them (except by just taking a shitload of them) because they need to be metabolized to dextroamphetamine before you feel the effects. I haven't heard of any way to convert the lisdexamphetamine to regular amphetamine aside from swallowing the pills.

So theoretically you wouldn't be able to rail them (or it would be pointless), because you wouldn't be getting any amphetamine into your system.

40 mg was enough for SWIM to stay up all night partying. Orally.
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

Putting them up the nose holds no advantage over eating them, as the time it takes to be broken down in the liver is the same either way, except that the patient will have to suffer through all the crap in their sinuses and a lower dose as a result of the dust that gets blown out with the snot.

No point in blowing this stuff, none at all.
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Old 02-02-2010, 04:36
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

hahaha, oh god I love the kids that swear snorting this shit gets them motorin'. I could never pick out the specific science behind it, but thanks guys for giving such a quick reliable reference for these n00bs who think they know it all. No offense to anyone here of course, at least those who were not aware of this are smart enough to do some home work

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Re: Railing Vyvanse

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hahaha, oh god I love the kids that swear snorting this shit gets them motorin'. I could never pick out the specific science behind it
Yeah, I just saw a couple anecdotal reports and a question on Wikianswers that mentioned the microwave, but I had the obvious doubts. Thanks guys once again this forum has been a valuable resource.
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Old 02-02-2010, 16:30
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

Pharmaceutical companies say vyvanse in non-abusable but Swim finds that vyvanse is highly abusable and very recreational. 1:2 dexedrine to vyvanse equivalency i find. Really preferred to oral adderall imo.
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

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Pharmaceutical companies say vyvanse in non-abusable but Swim finds that vyvanse is highly abusable and very recreational. 1:2 dexedrine to vyvanse equivalency i find. Really preferred to oral adderall imo.
SWIM had the same results - 40 mg oral was sufficient, long-lasting, and euphoric. Hard to compare the potency to dexedrine because they are really the exact same drug once Vyvanse has been metabolized.

If SWIM had taken 40 mg of dexedrine (instant-release) he would have been extremely stimulated and euphoric but it wouldn't have lasted so long (about 8 hours with the Vyvanse).
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Old 02-02-2010, 22:28
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

With out a doubt the stuff is an entertaining snack, but it isn't "abusable" in the "Grind and snort" method, unlike other extended release formulations.
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Old 05-02-2010, 15:48
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

SWIM finds that you just gotta take a shitload of it an it works wonders. SWIM has never tried dexedrine but would assume it is the same high you just need more to get your there. The vyvanse high also seems alot more chilled out than the high swim gets from adderall. On vyvanse he doesn't feel the need to move around infact quit the opposite. He just can't fucking get to sleep!
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Old 27-07-2013, 08:07
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

The most very vyvanse I've popped in a 24 hour period was 14 of the 70 mg's... I shit u not I felt like I was rollin ona bunch of exo'z... ohhhhhh boy, talk about the best feeling ever... I was also smoking meth while doing this so u can only imagine how I felt......like a damb boss that's how.

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Re: Railing Vyvanse

Tried a 70 yesterday...... Definitly worked, maybe a little too well as I was still up at 4 am. going to cut that back to a 50 today and see how that goes. Can say that I had a blast, was highly productive and totally enjoyed the double headder in Pittsburgh. Go #1 Bucks
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

I have a friend who snorted 4 40mg vyvanse earlier today in school. He said at first he felt nothing then about an hour later he was talking about how he felt weird like a body high. He also mentioned he seemed to focus more in school too. I noticed too he was a lot more talkative and outgoing socially than usual. Talking with girls he's never met before and holding a good conversation. He didn't eat much though and he's been up ever since this morning no sleep. So I think it still works either way but its more effective to ingest it.
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Old 06-11-2013, 19:36
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

This thread has more misinformation in it than I can handle and worries me.

Vyvanse has never been manufactured in a form where the capsule is the method to deter abuse. You did not take Vyvanse. The method of deterring abuse in Vyvanse is at a molecular level of the drug. If you took a capsule with beads in it and it was an amphetamine, you most likely had Adderall XR or an authorized generic (and to debunk the whole "brand name Adderall XR is way better" funnybusiness, an authorized generic means the brand name manufacturer, in the case of Adderall XR, Shire still makes them all and at the end, Teva Pharmaceuticals, Impax Laboratories, and Watson Pharmaceuticals [formerly Actavis] who have contracts with Shire to slap their names on Shire's product, sell it at a cut rate but not nearly as cheap as an actual generic, and bring back a portion of profits to Shire and the respective companies who simply distribute pocket money as well).

Microwaving Vyvanse will do absolutely nothing. You can't cook the lysine molecule off. You'll more than likely end up just causing the lisdexamfetamine to deteriorate.

1:2 is not the correct equivalency of d-amp to Vyvanse. The conversion rate of lisdexamfetamine to dextroamphetamine base is 0.2948. 25 mg of Vyvanse (though a 25mg capsule isn't made) is molecularly equivalent to 10 mg of Dexedrine.

All smoking or insufflating (as well as IVing, dear god, so glad no one has wanted to here lol) is going to waste a fun time, probably hurt your sinuses or lungs. It's dumb, you can get a really enjoyable high from taking it orally and allowing your body to convert the lisdexamfetamine into something actually bioavailable and that doesn't just get registered almost as nothing but instead gets to converted into l-lysine (an amino acid) and d-amphetamine which is obviously bioavailable and your brain will jump on it. Only a biochemical process will do that. Pure and simple. There is no free d-amphetamine in LDX (lisdexamfetamine), it's not bioavailable until your body does a little magic and turns LDX, the snoozefest therapeutically inactive molecule that your brain finds boring into d-amphetamine that your brain can have fun with.

If your goal is to get a high and the substance in question is like Cinderella and if you have the wrong glass slipper (you smoked it, snorted it or god forbid, slammed it) well, that's depressing as hell, but if you have the right one which is like taking it by mouth like it should be taken, it's happily ever after, hell yes and you know that's all you need to do, what's up with being so hellbent against just taking the pill? I guess if you want to turn a good time into boogers you'll enjoy blowing into a tissue later, that's up to you. I just don't get it. And yeah, I know my relating it to Cinderella was baffling.

And some anecdotal experience as someone who has been on 10mg Dexedrine (IR) 6 times a day, 70mg Vyvanse daily, and 120mg Adderall (IR) total daily for ADHD. They all are unique in their own way in how you feel. It could be having ADHD that makes those subtle differences easy for me to spot, or it could be easy for anyone if you just pay attention. Adderall IR is what works best for me by far (unfortunately, I went on the Dexedrine and Vyvanse ventures because of not wanting to have such a high dose of amphetamines daily but no luck) because for me, unlike Dexedrine, Adderall is able to keep my mind under control and my fidgeting/physical symptoms of ADHD under control, too. Dexedrine was very very mental, I had beyond focus but hyperfocus. And it did nothing to help me keep my physical symptoms in check. I felt like Grover from Sesame Street, flailing all over lol. Vyvanse was interesting. It caused extreme and rapid mood swings and nasty angry outbursts mainly toward my husband, oops. I was a hot mess, I didn't realize it was the Vyvanse for about a month but I started to dread taking it and wasn't sure why and then it clicked. Back to Adderall. My husband takes Vyvanse and it works really well for him. It just depends on a person's biochemical makeup. So just heads up that there actually are some little nuances with each one, at least from my experience.

Sorry if I came off cranky at first. All the stuff that floats around about Vyvanse in particular irks me and it worries me that someone is going to get hurt soon from just not taking the damn pill, lol.

I'm also fully aware of the age of the thread but I can see it's looked at frequently so if it's being referenced, it should at least have some accurate info.

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Re: Railing Vyvanse

SWIM would like to take 40mg vyvanse and 3mg of alprazolam. One of his favorite combinations.

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Re: Railing Vyvanse

I know this is kinda an old thread but here's data for those looking for updated information on the use of snorting Vyvanse or taking it Orally.
1.You may snort Vyvanse all you want it WILL NOT affect you in the same way the same dosage of Adderall would.
2. The Good stuff that you want to get on is handcuffed to his partner who only can only allow him to let go if orally ingested. Scientifically the Vyvanse molecule is not soluble in your mucous membrane therfore will not give you at Lift.
3. Vyvanse isn't worthless I is still an amphetamine and can still get you the high you want just orally and in a bit higher dosage. I recommend one break them and the powder one says doesn't taste bitter or bad at all.
4. Eat eat eat you need to eat before and after.
5. Drink lots of water and fluids.
6. Do not get anxious when heart rate increases.
7. Don't binge for more than maybe 2 days....
I know someone who binges for 5 full nights on Adderall and went into delirium which was knduced by sleep deprivation and amphetamines. Know your limits man.
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

Never heard of this stuff - I shall be asking my doctor for some temorrow, but in this backward, third world country called England, it is no doubt banned, as is adderall and any effective, efficaceous amphetamine type stimulants.

If it ia merely amphetamine attached to lysine, and "incapable of abuse", I have to laugh, as that would mean oral ingestion of amphetamine is harmless... which for m.. um, um, this chap I know is absolutely so, since I believe he was prescribed Dexedrine for nearly 14 years, during which he took more than three times his own bodyweight in pure amphetamine, with no ill effects mentally or physically whatsoever! And he is a big chap... lamentably bigger still since he was obliged to stop taking it. Rather than sink back into a miserable, pointless depressive state for the rest of his miserable life however, following four years of dismal misery, a chance meeting with methamphetamine has restored him to life, and he will not be going back, come hell or high water!

Back Ot though, if it can be seperated by digestive enzymes in the body, I expect such 'digestion' can be arranged outside the body, in vitro as it were? I don't know why anyone would bother, even so. My friend only ever orally ingested Dexedrine, and was fine with that. No need for putting it up the nose, and most certainly no desire, urge or temptation to shove it up the jacksy, which some people seem obsessed with these days?

Odd thing is, after nearly 60 years of never ingesting any drug apart from cocaine nasally, and only smoking dope and the very occaisional crumb of smack (just for fun!), since this methamphetamine turned up, he has been regularly injecting it IV. Quite why I don't know, but he thinks it is something to do with rebelliousness and bloody midedness, a sort of two finger Agincourt salute to the miserable, wretched authorities who seem determined to ruin his life. Funny thing, in the UK Amphetamine is only a 'classB' drug... but when made up for injection, becomes Class A! What a load of rubbish!
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Re: Railing Vyvanse

Apparently you can snort/inject it as it is water soluble... and will be metabolized by red blood cells.
I read somewhere that it might kick in one hour faster bypassing stomach/GI tract absorption...
But that you still have to wait 1h for LDX to reach it's first half-life to 50% DAMP, two hours for 25% DAMP.
So it peaks around 3.5 hours instead of 4.5.

Never tested this my self, but keep in mind the study I read was pure LDX powder dissolved in water and administered as a nasal drip. I don't think snorting raw powder with a straw would work as well cause these pills are so tiny... and half would be wasted in the air sticking to surfaces just making a line loll

They use very clever deceptive wording, like failed to produce the SAME likeability as equivalent doses Dextroamphetamine Sulphate.
They never say it doesn't produce any effects.

But then it's so much simpler to just wait the extra 1-2 hours with oral, although it might be interesting to test if you suspect your not absorbing it right.

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