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Old 09-11-2010, 07:27
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Can I IV Kratom?

SWIM got a bag of 20x extract private reserve kratom 4 grams. SWIM ate two grams and felt nothing. SWIM smoked 1 gram and felt nothing. Can SWIM do Kratom IV or Insufflated?

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Old 09-11-2010, 10:07
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Re: Can SWIM IV Kratom?

Don't be silly, its probably bunk, iv'ing plant matter is just asking for sceptiscemia. Seriously don't. As for insnuffulation probably wont work, but that over iv. I swim would just write the kratom off though personally.

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Old 09-11-2010, 21:04
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Re: Can SWIM IV Kratom?

Just letting you know, this post belongs in the Kratom Forums.

Private Reserve Kratom Extract is known to be hit or miss, mostly miss.

In fact, after doing a forum search about "Private Reserve", I found this post, in which you were already given that information. While sometimes some people need a bit higher dosing with extracts than "recommended", there's just a damn good chance your friend isn't going to respond to this particular Kratom extract. Sorry to say.

No, Kratom doesn't work nasally, and one CANNOT INJECT KRATOM, IN ANY FORM!!! It's not cleaned up enough for that, and a cotton filter ain't gonna clean it up enough either. It's meant to be eaten, that's all. Injecting it in any way (IV, IM or SC) is asking for SERIOUS TROUBLE, like sepsis, pulmonary emboli, all sorts of fun stuff. It's STILL PLANT MATERIAL. Just, boiled down plant material. Dear DOG, don't inject this stuff!

For a last attempt, it might be recommended to dissolve the extract in some warm-to-hot water and then drink that. Then the stomach doesn't have to do a lot of work trying to break the extract down. This may make it more effective, though there's just the chance that one got a bunk batch, or that one has a bunk response to this batch.

There's also the chance that it IS affecting your friend, but he's expecting/hoping for a different experience, OR that because your friend has a Heroin background, Kratom just isn't going to cut it for him, tolerance or not.

Kratom is not a straight opiate substitute, and most certainly not a Heroin substitute. One would have a better chance attempting to recreate a Heroin-like experience with codeine, than they would with Kratom. While Kratom can feel opiate-like, it does not substitute completely; it is it's own experience, with it's own color & flavor. It can be enjoyed for what it is, but it will never be, say, Oxycodone, Hydromorphone or Heroin.

HTH! (hope this helps!)

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Old 09-11-2010, 21:52
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Re: Can SWIM IV Kratom?

Well, i think your cats question has been answered. Unless hes going for the Guiness world record for the most stupid way to kill oneself.

2 Grams of a 20x extract is not a massive amount for starters. If your cat didnt take it on a completely empty stomach he would have felt nothing weather it was bunk or not.

Never buy kratom from a headshop, online or otherwise. The kratom they supply is, quite simply put, shit. Do a bit of research and one will find a whole host of ethnobotanical specialists online.

For the record, Kratom can be a very potent experience and is regularly used by heroin/oxycodone users. I have seen some of the more potent extracts, UEI for example, regularly being compared to oxy's and my goats first experience of UEI EASILY compared to a good dose of poppy pods. Many seem to underestimate this substance.

My recommendation would be, once your cat has found a decent source, to get something like UEI (Ultra enhanced indo) and try a gram of that on a completely empty stomach. Bear in mind though that Kratom is addictive and a UEI habit can get very expensive very fast. 99% of long term kratom users always swear by standard leaf both to manage tolerance and their bank account!

On the standard leaf front if your cat is looking for an opiate like experience many agree that Bali Kratom comes the closest. Super Sunda (Sudanese) is my goats personal favorite and is a very relaxing opiate like experience and is one of the most potent standard leaf strains gram for gram.
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Re: Can SWIM IV Kratom?

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For the record, Kratom can be a very potent experience and is regularly used by heroin/oxycodone users. I have seen some of the more potent extracts, UEI for example, regularly being compared to oxy's and my goats first experience of UEI EASILY compared to a good dose of poppy pods. Many seem to underestimate this substance.
Numpty also brings up some great points.

However, Numpty, it seems from my reading & research, that those who compare Kratom experiences to oxycodone experiences tend not to have experiences with Heroin itself. Heroin has this nasty, nasty habit of "ruining" someone for all other opioids, making them pale in comparison. Someone who once thought OC80s were the best thing on the planet, after moving onto Heroin (and often even after having been clean from Heroin for a while), find even higher doses of OC80s unsatisfying. The nature of the beast, I guess!

On the topic of dosage, I too, thought 2gm of Kratom extract sounded low; however looking at recommended dosing charts & such seemed to state that 3gm was a good starting point for 15x extract, so I didn't want to say anything for fear of "overshooting the mark", as it were. I'm more familiar with people dosing Kratom leaf, having not read as many experience reports about Kratom extracts (except that Ultra Enhanced Indo seems to be the way to go if one's going to spend money on extracts!).

To the OP, most Kratom users who choose to use regularly seem to prefer using Kratom Leaf, even though they obviously have to use more product than one would if using an extract. Something to keep in mind, perhaps? Have a read about the Kratom Forum that I linked to in my previous reply; you should find more than enough information to pass on to your friend.

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