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Old 28-02-2011, 11:14
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The truth about Vicks and Meth tests?

Hello everyone. Nice forum!

I was wondering if anyone here knows anything about how Vicks can affect a drug test for meth.

One of my acquaintances works with a girl who is dating a guy that happens to be involved in a probation/drug court style drug testing program.

Regarding this individual, if he happened to be at a gym and utilizes the steam room, where someone had sprayed Vicks, thus causing the Vicks to enter into the system of anyone entering this steam room, do you all believe this could trigger a false positive on a meth urine screen?

I have seen meth detection times for urine screens listed differently on different sites. Some say 1-2 days, some say 1-5, some say 3-5.

I have also read reports that normal vicks use over a 5 day period would not trigger a positive, but doubling the recommended use will.

Does anyone here have an expertise regarding how Vicks can affect a urine screen? How long will Vicks stay in system?
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Re: The truth about Vicks and Meth tests?

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I was wondering if anyone here knows anything about how Vicks can affect a drug test for meth.
Some Vick's inhaler products contain L-methamphetamine as an active ingredient. Standard drug screens will not distinguish this from the more recreational D-methamphetamine or a racemic mixture of the two, so use of these inhaler products could result in a true positive test for methamphetamine.

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One of my acquaintances works with a girl who is dating a guy that happens to be involved in a probation/drug court style drug testing program.
Then the best advice is that if this guy values their liberty they will avoid anything that might result in a failed drug test during the probation period. This would include inhalers containing L-methamphetamine and other ephedrine based decongestants that may result in a positive test for amphetamine.

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Regarding this individual, if he happened to be at a gym and utilizes the steam room, where someone had sprayed Vicks, thus causing the Vicks to enter into the system of anyone entering this steam room, do you all believe this could trigger a false positive on a meth urine screen?
The probability of such a scenario resulting in a positive test is so small that it sounds like a rather poor excuse. An inhaler will typically contain around 50mg L-methamphetamine which is enough for multiple uses. Even if one were to empty an entire cartridge into the air (and why would they do that seeing as the product requires insertion into the nasal passage for effective administration?), it would be diluted to near homeopathic concentrations in the volume of air of a steam room system. The levels taken up by someone sitting in that steam room system would be so small that it is very unlikely they would rise about the detection thresholds of a standard urinalysis panel test.

If the person was planning to use this as an excuse for a positive test they should probably think again. Not only is it not particularly believable, but if a court were to pay for a more conclusive test then they could look specifically for the presence of D-methamphetamine, and this would rule out the inhaler as a source of a positive drug test.

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I have seen meth detection times for urine screens listed differently on different sites. Some say 1-2 days, some say 1-5, some say 3-5.
It varies from individual to individual. Generally urinalysis tests will only detect incidental methamphetamine use for a day or two after administration. More frequent and heavy users may still have the drug coming out at detectable levels for several days longer.

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I have also read reports that normal vicks use over a 5 day period would not trigger a positive, but doubling the recommended use will.
I wouldn't count on this. Given that the instructions say that usage once every couple of hours is OK, it's quite possible that one could get through two or three inhalers in a few days if necessary. That would almost certainly be enough to trigger a methamphetamine positive. Best avoided entirely. There are alternative decongestant products that do not carry the risk of a positive drug test; just ask a pharmacist for advice.

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Re: The truth about Vicks and Meth tests?

Some Vick's inhaler products contain L-methamphetamine as an active ingredient. Standard drug screens will not distinguish this from the more recreational D-methamphetamine or a racemic mixture of the two, so use of these inhaler products could result in a true positive test for methamphetamine.



Then the best advice is that if this guy values their liberty they will avoid anything that might result in a failed drug test during the probation period. This would include inhalers containing L-methamphetamine and other ephedrine based decongestants that may result in a positive test for amphetamine.



The probability of such a scenario resulting in a positive test is so small that it sounds like a rather poor excuse. An inhaler will typically contain around 50mg L-methamphetamine which is enough for multiple uses. Even if one were to empty an entire cartridge into the air (and why would they do that seeing as the product requires insertion into the nasal passage for effective administration?), it would be diluted to near homeopathic concentrations in the volume of air of a steam room system. The levels taken up by someone sitting in that steam room system would be so small that it is very unlikely they would rise about the detection thresholds of a standard urinalysis panel test.

The yellow shirted elephant who plays guitar on Tuesday's says that the presence of the Vicks odor in the LA Fitness steam room was enough that after leaving the steam room and entering car to drive home, the guitar playing elephant could smell the Vicks on his clothes, and could detect the Vicks smell in his nostril when breathing strongly through his nose to fight an oncoming sneeze. I suppose these details that the guitar playing elephant has provided aren't going to change the fact that 1. it is highly improbable that anywhere close to the whole container of Vicks was emptied or 2. that the amount of Vicks mixing with the steam could be concentrated enough to put an elephant who plays the guitar over the meth threshold on a test.

But the annoying yellow shirted elephant who plays guitar is very obsessive and worries whether or not you understand the dynamics of a steam room. Why in a steam room did the sprays of Vicks cause such a persistent stink? Does the odor of Vicks being detected on shirt and in nasal passage not necessarily suggest an amount ingested similar to using the product? Basically, is smelling the Vicks the same as ingesting the product? The elephant says that at no point did his nasal passage become cleared as it would if he used the product.

This guitar playing elephant is very ocd, and thanks you for the info you already provided. He would like if you could comment on what he just wrote.



By the way, the guitar playing elephant mentioned that he doesnt test for 10 days.


If the person was planning to use this as an excuse for a positive test they should probably think again. Not only is it not particularly believable, but if a court were to pay for a more conclusive test then they could look specifically for the presence of D-methamphetamine, and this would rule out the inhaler as a source of a positive drug test.



It varies from individual to individual. Generally urinalysis tests will only detect incidental methamphetamine use for a day or two after administration. More frequent and heavy users may still have the drug coming out at detectable levels for several days longer.



I wouldn't count on this. Given that the instructions say that usage once every couple of hours is OK, it's quite possible that one could get through two or three inhalers in a few days if necessary. That would almost certainly be enough to trigger a methamphetamine positive. Best avoided entirely. There are alternative decongestant products that do not carry the risk of a positive drug test; just ask a pharmacist for advice.

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