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As mentioned here, the company 'Experience' offers a number of kratom-based products, many of which have proven highly reputable.
The following is a brief review of their product, 'Da Pimp Bomb.'
Age: 23 Sex: Male BMI: 22.7 HRrest: 50-55bpm Experience: The subject in question has explored a vast array of psychedelic compounds, cannabinoids, and ethnobotanicals. Most pertinent to this experiment, the subject has explored the following opiates: Kratom (bali, indo, 7-OHM), Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Codeine, Opium, Fentanyl, Morphine, Diacetylmorphine at a range of active doses. Setting: Home Route of administration: PO Dosage: 8 Capsules Duration: ~6-7hr Other notes: At the time of the experiment, the subject has been opiate naive for approximately 13 months. He has no significant history with opiate addiction or dependence. The subject is in competitive physical and mental condition. He is well-educated and thoroughly versed in drug-culture and pharmacology. The purpose of this exploration is purely recreational.
Form: 'Da Pimp Bomb' was purchased in a small, foil bag from a local smoke-shop. The package contained 8 capsules (00) which contained a pale green, mulch-like substance firmly packed. The package contained a note that the effects of the substance should last approximately 7 hours, and that the individual purchasing must be 18 years of age or older. The clerk at the smoke shop noted that these were among the strongest kratom-based products that they carried, and that eating all 8 will provide a significant, long-last effect, though not dangerous or overwhelming. A second note on the package specified that the pills were not approved by the FDA for human consumption.
Timeline all times are approximate, but accurate within 10min
t+0:00 -- The subject ingests 6 of the 8 pills. Last meal consumed approximately 3 hours prior, consisting of assorted vegetables and a small quantity of starches. Last notable physical activity was a 120min cycling exercise consisting of 10x5min HRmax efforts flanked by 90rpm cadence on either end, ceasing approximately 30min prior to ingestion.
t+0:30 -- Hints of intoxication noted. Some difficulty in focusing. The subject reports feeling heavy.
t+0:45 -- Assured that the potency is not overwhelming, the subject consumes the remaining 2 capsules.
t+1:15 -- The effects are in full-force at this point. The subject is highly uncoordinated and slow. His eyelids are notable heavy. Lethargy is overwhelming and the subject remains essentially immobile, save for short bursts of energy to fix an old bike (very, very slowly) and consume water and fruit.
t+1:45 -- Feeling brave, the subject embarks on a short bike-ride. He is elated at the good weather, positive vibes of the empty road, and the warm feeling in his muscles. The subject spends approximately 45 minutes riding within a 2 mile radius, taking sharp turns and short sprints and often laughing. Euphoria is notable but not overwhelming.
t+2:30 -- The initial intoxication has somewhat receded. The subject no longer feels so thoroughly uncoordinated and has less trouble focusing, though still feels heavy, weighed down by lethargy. Spirits are high. The subject settles in with a bowl of fresh-fruit and a pint of ale for a good movie.
t+4:30 -- After the movie, the subject feels immensely tired. He brews a cup of coffee, consumes it over ice, and is quickly refreshed. On the following walk, he notices a sluggishness to his reflexes, some lingering euphoria, and sustained analgesia.
t+6:00 -- The effects have largely tapered off that this point. The subject consumes 500µg melatonin in liquid, along with a small cup of tea, and sleeps easily within 45min of reading. Before sleep, the subject attempts sexual self-gratification, but is unable to reach orgasm (this is quite normal for the subject, when under the influence of opiates).
'Da Pimp Bomb' is a relatively inexpensive, easily accessible alternative to the prescription opiates that the subject has previously used for recreational purposes. It's recreational potential is high, due to the marked euphoria, long-lasting effects, easy mode of consumption, and synergy with activity. There is no anorexia, which the subject has noted with other opiates in his past experiences.
The analgesic component is notable. As an active, competitive athlete, the subject is in near constant soreness. Until ~t+12:00 (the following morning), the subject reported an absolute absence of pain or soreness in the normally affected regions of his body.
Overall, the abuse potential for this product in opiate-sensitive parties is high, particularly considering the relatively rapid and intense onset, easy accessibility and consumption, and comparatively low price-- paired with a significant, notable euphoric component, the abuse potential here suggests it should be taken with caution by individuals who may or have had abusive relationship with opiates.
No weight was listed on the product. The subject will likely assay again, and will empty the capsules to determine actual total weight-- however, due to the unknown strength (x) of the extract, there is no way to extrapolate this to other products.
Their loose-leaf products to generally come in 3g quantities.
Da Pimps dat SWIM tried said 15x on the package.. SWIM said that Da Pimps were comparable to other popular 15x extracts available.
The problem with the general marking of a product as 'X' is that it usually refers to the amount of plain leaf used to make one gram weight of extract. In this case 15 grams of plain leaf per one gram of extract.
It should not be taken as an indication of strength.
If the method of extraction used requires 15 grams of leaf material to make one gram of extract then the potency of the extract will all depend on the potency of the original leaf.
Ive never noted any mention of these 'experience' products (or the majority of other extracts) being standardised in anyway. Realistically the strength of each packet could vary as much as different trees or areas of growth do.
Ive noticed there are a couple of other additions to the 'Experience' range along with 'Da Pimp Bomb'
'Euphoria Bomb' and 'Kratom Bomb'
If anyone (looks at Shampoo ) gets a chance to 'experience' these it would be great to read some details.
swim is actaully using Experience brand kratom to detox from oxy's right now. He has tried this type and it is his second favourite (first favourite is the Black Label)
anyways, the package swim got has 10 capsules :S. Swim has used this kratom for the past 5 days decreasing the dosage slowly each day.
Age: 18 (19 in couple months)
Weight: 140-150 pounds
Has previous opiate tolerance/kratom tolerance.
Swim consumed 7 of the 10 capsules, in about an hour he was feeling pretty euphoric and that "opiate like buzz." Swim believes that there is 0.5 grams of 15x kratom extract in each capsule, because it is about the same buzz/same price as there Experience: Kratom 150 (which is 5grams of 15x kratom powder, the powder in the capsules also looks very similar) so 10 caps at 0.5grams would equal 5 grams of 15x kratom. (do not quote swim on this, he is making an educated guess from his previous experiences with these products.)
But overall, if swiy wants to try any of the Experience brand kratoms he would suggest the following 2 types:
Experience Black Label Kratom (3grams of 60x kratom extract, well thats what the package says) I recommend this for an intense but shorter lived kratom experience. (1-3 hours)
Experience: Da Pimp Bomb Kratom (10 caps, approx. 0.5 grams of 15x kratom extract in each cap) Swim would recommend this for a longer lasting kratom experience. (3-6 hours)
Yes zombie swim would like to know more about tho's aswell...Swim has tried many of the experience brands but not tho's 2. These are the types swim has tried
Experience: Black Label (3gram package)
Experience: Blue Label (1 gram package....expensive and do not recommend)
Experience: Black/Blue Label (2 gram package, similar to the black label, but not quite as intense)
Experience: MD Premium (3 gram package, very good, but also very expensive)
Experience: Kratom 150 (5 gram package)
these are the types swim has not tried but is curious about:
swim is deffinatly most curious about the Kratomic/Euphoric Bomb. Any information regarding either would be great
Last edited by Dickon; 18-06-2011 at 18:29.
Reason: deleting pictures from source.
SWIM's local smoke shop recently started "Da Pimp Bomb" and before that, SWIM had used and thought that Captain Kratom capsules were the best. "Da Pimp Bomb" is indeed "Da Bomb" and much better than the Captain brands. Althoough, SWIM remembers there being 10-.5 g capsules in the package (which SWIM ingested all at once and experienced a high similiar to Oxycodone for about 3 hours) and it was 15X extract
SWIM did not think he would find any better until SWIM's shop started carring "Experience: Blue Label" kratom powder. This was only a 1 gram pouch of powder and SWIM dumped it into his coffee and by the time the coffee was finished, SWIM had to lay down. SWIM woke up about two hours later feeling very euphoric and does not remmeber nodding out for two hours! For 1g of powder to do that, SWIM thinks it's the most powerful around.
However, his smoke shop is now having problems getting it, saying all of a sudden the distributor does not want to ship it to the US. Thi smakes SWIM think there may be another compound in there that may not be legal in the US???
15X does not mean it is 15 times stronger, it means that 15 grams were used to make 1 gram of extract.
But these claims are nothing more than marketing ploys.
Most of these extracts are basic water/alcohol extractions, i would estimate that 1 gram of extract equals about 4 grams of plain leaf, however the potency will depend on the quality of the leaf used to make the extract and the quality of the extraction procedure.
Ive tried these 'experience' products, and to be fair to them they are probably better than most extracts ive come across, although good plain leaf is still better IMO.
If you are going to try them then i would recommend 1.5 or 2 grams to start with, if you have no tolerance to kratom or opiates. This will give you a good idea of where you stand with them.
I think most packs contained about 3 grams, and when i had no tolerance that was a good dose for me.
Personally id avoid them, unless someone gave them to me for free.
They are too expensive, for the same price i could buy about 100 grams of quality leaf/powder from a good vendor.