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Old 28-09-2011, 03:06
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Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Since I was injured in May of last year, I had been taking norcos (hydrocodone 10mg/ 325 acetaminophen). Then after coming to this site I have heard of Kratom. I got some because when I would run out of norcos I only had tramadol to help me with withdrawals. The tramadol at first wasn't so bad, then it started where I would take it the first day I stopped taking the norcos and it would cause me to want to sleep all day (sometimes no biggie) but then it got to where it would cause me to feel REAL weird. I didn't like the way the tramadol made me feel, and I had purchased Kratom.

After trying kratom I found it did miracles for when I would run out of norcos. I went a nice while just having the kratom and noticed it did a number of good things. For one, I was "regular", this was NEVER the case when taking norcos. The second thing, I am hungry A LOT, which for me is a great thing. The third and most important is I was happy, and even when the "effects" of the kratom would wear off (which did happen sooner and sooner the more I would take it) I still didn't feel all that bad and was not in a nasty mood in any way really. I don't like the feel of touch regardless of what substance withdrawals, and I get chills, but with kratom, even after three weeks, I would go 12 hours and not feel that bad at all.

Today I broke because of pain and got norcos. I noticed..........I really don't like them anymore. I guess since they still take care of the pain they do their job, but when I look at all the negative side effects......it just don't seem worth it.

I never thought I would think this, let alone say it, but I like kratom more than hydrocodone........and kratom don't even give me an opiate buzz that I know of.

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Old 28-09-2011, 03:31
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Good for you Tired-Guy! I've been off the opiates for about a year and a half now and am still quite happy with my kratom. The odd thing is, tapering down on kratom is a lot easier than doing the same with opiates.
I would make a real effort to stop the kratom too, but I'm getting old and still have to work my ass off, so I like the fact that I can function better by taking it. Not nearly as much pain in the old joints, etc..
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Old 28-09-2011, 03:36
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

That is a great story thank you for sharing it

It's refreshing, AFOAF thinks, to see someone writing a comparison and not just knocking the weaker substance. If kratom works for you it works for you, and probably with much less side effects.

AFOAF has a dihydrocodiene habit at 320mg daily and has often wondered about kratom, she will probably give it a try sometime as she has heard good stories.

Worth mentioning though that a lot of experienced kratom users say it is addictive so caution should definitely be practiced stay safe

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Old 03-10-2011, 00:05
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Swim would say that maeng da ultra enhanced extract is just as powerful as hydrocodone in terms of pain relief. He has been using it and it completely numbs him out for a good 6 hours and all it takes is 200-250mg (swim weighs 180 lbs.). It's extremely powerful stuff and the buzz is phenominal as well a nice floatly feeling, mild closed eye visuals, and relaxation. Yes it is an extract and tolerance will go up fast but using it once in a while is great. Swim highly recommends it.

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Old 04-10-2011, 02:04
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

AFOAF has had the same experience with Kratom over Norco (hydrocodone+tylenol). No opiate buzz; more energy, feeling happier, calmer...and not such a gorilla on her back as she had with Norco. It was like a miracle for her. An honest-to-goodness miracle. She is sure that it probably isn't that great for everyone, but she's been told by her doc that agonists (such as Kratom) vs antagonists (such as Norco) sometimes work better for women. Not always. But frequently. Having an option for getting off hydrocodone without suffering so miserably has been like Mt. Adams being removed from her back. She says that every month she would almost panic if she began to get low on Norcos...but now she doesn't have ANY withdrawal symptoms if she does run out. She feels better (not high at ALL, seriously) but just calm and relaxed, at peace and pain-free (almost) and Norco never did all that for her. Thanks for the info and for sharing. My friend here tells me that you basically had the identical experience that she did.
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Old 04-10-2011, 02:09
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

I think it's important not to insist that one drug is 'better' than the other, since each person's biochemistry is different and so therefore a drug's effects are just as variable. This is precisely what makes the interaction of molecule and human engine so damn fascinating, and yet I think my experiences with hydrocodone have been slightly 'superior' to most of my experiences with kratom at this point, but in a way that is difficult to put my finger on.

I only started using kratom relatively recently and only really use about 6.5g at a time still, but have had many experiences with different types of kratom. Hydrocodone is more stoning for me. With hydrocodone all I can really do is lay on my bed watching a movie, getting nauseous if I move. I have very nearly gotten sick from kratom too, but I couldn't tell if it was from too high of a kratom dose, or just having taken it the same day as phenibut which can also induce nausea.

It feels great don't get me wrong, but with kratom I do not get as strong of effects and so can enjoy moving around a little bit more. The nod is more euphoric on hydrocodone IMO, but kratom is euphoric in a more subtle way I think, though again not as debilitatingly as hydrocodone. They each really have their benefits and drawbacks.

Hydrocodone is so easy to take because of the pill form, and is strength regulated unlike kratom. However it is also illegal to have if you are not prescribed it, unlike kratom. Kratom also can be more difficult to consume IMO. You'll very likely be consuming way more mass of kratom for about the same high you'd get with less hydrocodone (Gelcaps, loose poowder, leaves, volume of tea)

Kratom feels like it has better karma for me, simply because you are consuming a plant instead of an isolated drug, and supporting other countries in many cases instead of massively rich pharma companies here in the US.

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Old 17-10-2011, 19:45
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Have found kratom withdrawals to be rather unpleasant. Depends on the state of mind, whether a taper was done or not, and the levels of consumption before either running out or taking a break. Usually deciding to take a break isn't so bad because it is a decision, where as running out happens to you - the psychological differences there can make the withdrawals seem, or even be, way worse.

The wd's are different though, and they are easier to prevent with a taper down. It seemed almost impossible to taper on prescription pills, where as with kratom all it takes is a little self talk.

Glad to hear people like kratom too, and that it works for people and similar ways. Thanks for sharing the story/stories.
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Old 17-10-2011, 21:04
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

My rattie girl actually prefers kratom to hydros too. Which kind of weirded her out.

Recently she hurt her back and side and was prescribed hydros (which amazed her since they know she is an ex opie addict) and she took them for several days and although they helped with the pain and were kind of fun, she could not sleep on them at all!!!

And she agrees they gave her constipation much worse than kratom which does not!

Also her tolerance to the hydros grew SUPER fast and she was out of them very quickly and unable to get more... grrr and then back to the kratom and she was like wow! I can sleep, poop, and feel fine!

Interesting... she just has regular crushed leaf that she makes tea out of and not even very strong tea! She also decided recently that she prefers kratom to pods!!!
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Old 18-10-2011, 04:58
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Good for you, sounds like Kratom has done for you, what it is doing for me. But in a different way. I am talking about using Kratom to quit drinking, I am down 90 percent on drinking, Kratom tea is how I do it, sometimes extract, but I find making the tea in a slightly enhanced way, eliminates my need for alcohol.

You know I find Kratom to be a gift from the heavens.
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Old 06-11-2011, 19:27
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

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Good for you, sounds like Kratom has done for you, what it is doing for me. But in a different way. I am talking about using Kratom to quit drinking, I am down 90 percent on drinking, Kratom tea is how I do it, sometimes extract, but I find making the tea in a slightly enhanced way, eliminates my need for alcohol.

You know I find Kratom to be a gift from the heavens.
Considering this stuff (kratom) puts me in a very good mood, highly limits my bi-polar, keeps me really hungry, keeps me sexually hungry, keeps me regular, and helps me with my ADHD, I agree, it's a gift from the heavens.

Congratulations on cutting down on the drinking by the way, GREAT JOB
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:02
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Glad it works for you...I have sever/chronic back pain (pinched nerves and spasms) and take lots of Oxycodone and occasional Fentanyl to reduce the horrid pain...I've taken Kratom on several occasions and couldn't possibly imagine it taking the place of my current regimen...It never did anything for me really, in both raw and processed form...Wish it helped me...

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Old 23-11-2011, 07:00
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

This might be off topic but I noticed a few posters mentioning Kratom as a good way to relieve WD's until they can get a hold of their DOC. I've just recently discovered a way cheaper alternative just in case somebody was to want immediate relief instead of having to wait for their Kratom to come in the mail.

Surprisingly all it took was a decent dose of Loperamide (Imodium) and my WD symptoms completely dissapeared. I've always heard people mentioning it but I never really took it seriously until I found myself out of Kratom on a weekend. That means I would of had to wait until Monday to even place my order, and then wait until Tuesday before it would arrive. For the days I had to wait I took 45 mgs of Loperamide in the morning along with 600 mgs of Cimetidine (Tagament) and I had virtually no WD symptoms at all for the entire day. If anyone is concerned about taking that much Loperamide you can always take a stool softener along with it, but seeing as how you would normally have the runs it seems to even out. I've also read that if you take Cimetidine (Tagament) or Ranitidine (Zantac) it's possible to allow the Loperamide to cross the blood brain barrier and actually give you an opiate buzz. Personally I didn't notice any opiate like effects from the Loperamide but it without a doubt relieved me of my WD. The best part is that when I got my Kratom in the mail on Tuesday, the Loperamide that I was taking didn't seem to effect my opiate tolerance! When I took my Kratom it felt like I had obstained from opiates for the whole weekend. Now if I notice my Kratom tolerance is getting out of hand I can just switch to taking Loperamide for a few days and not have any WD symptoms at all!

I've read posts online with people having a similar experience but I can only speak for myself in saying that this definitely worked for me. I just wanted to share and I hope this helps somebody.
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Old 23-11-2011, 09:29
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

^^ its best to link to the thread where this has already been posted so that people can read both the positive and negative experiences others have had with loperamide:
Aborted all Opiate Withdrawal - Loperamide
This avoids the original topic of this thread getting derailed
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Old 23-11-2011, 17:22
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Good suggestion. I tend to get a little of topic whenever I operate my keyboard under the influence. lol

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*off topic. See what I mean

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Old 23-11-2011, 17:56
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

swim does same tabs as the OP, the 10/325 hydrocodone/acetaminophen. unfortunately, he is rx'ed 40mg a day and often does 80mg. when he runs out, he is hating it..no 'withdrawl' so-to-speak, except irritability and bowel irregularity
he tried a pk of kratom once, made a drink and was PISSED OFF. nuthin
upon the advice of balzafire(i love you, brother) swim swung by a headshop that carries only 'supplements' and herbs. swim did a 6pack of capsules(ice, or black ice was the brand name) approx 5 days beefore the rx was due to renew.
whoa. swim wasnt super high, but he had walked for a while and was not at all stoned when he took them and smashed a cup of coffee.
MUCH PAIN RELIEF. similar to taking 6 tabs(10mg) of the hydrocodone, just not a lot of a buzz, but some for sure
swim is now going to see if he can get lots, cheap, and how much tolerance develops, he really wants to take only naturals for pain relief, and he may have found a way...wonder if it can bee grown in a greenhouse in norcal??? hmmmm
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Swim completely agrees. First to really get a high off hydros swim would take 20 to 45mgs depending on how high swim would want to get. Swim prefers oxycodone a little more than kratom bc 1 30mg tab over an hour or so has him nodding and feeling great (especially with swims xanax) and you don't have to take time to make tea (the best rush imo). But oxys without a script are crazy expensive, which I guess is kind of good cause swim knows he could get addicted easily and has withdrawn from it and it really sucks. So swim loves kratom bc its like oxys to him but with more stimulation, which is why he likes oxys a little better. But kratom is so cheap that its what he prefers too.
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

No opiate buzz from kratom? lie, please don t lie to people I always get opiate buzz plus euphoria from kratom and feels exactly the same like hydrocodone, I really hate liars more than anything and its definitely not cool.

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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

I'm not sure who you're replying to, but that's awfully close to a personal attack or flaming. Yuri, there's a lot of variables that can cause someone to not feel an opiate like buzz from kratom.

For starters, a lot of these people use kratom to help quit real opiates and opioids with a bit more comfort. There's cross tolerance created, so someone that is used to high doses of stronger opiates would need a large amount of kratom to get some relief from withdrawal symptoms, and an unpractical amount to get a high, and even then, it's far from a sure thing. I've read that people detoxing from IV heroin often feel nothing from kratom.

Also, not all kratom strains are created equal, and even with exact same strains, there will be differences in quality between batches. I'm sure kratom has a shelf life too, which could significantly lower the quality of it.

Something else to consider is that all drugs effect everyone differently. What gets one person high might do nothing for someone else, regardless of tolerance and experience. Body weight and mass might play a role, sex, ethnicity, diet, general health, and genes can all make a difference. Combinations with alcohol or other drugs definitely makes a huge difference in results!

I do welcome you to Drugs-Forum, and I hope you like it here, it's a literal treasure trove of information, and there's TONS of really good people here. You won't get far making such generalized statements and calling honest people liars though. I'm happy for you that you get a good euphoric high from kratom, but that does not mean that everyone will get the same results and that they're a liar if they say otherwise.
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

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I guess this is to me, I don't get an opiate feeling buzz from Kratom. Don't know why you would call me a liar, from what I read, it's like that for most.

I don't think you should call me a liar and then ask to be on my Christmas card list....
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

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Since I was injured in May of last year, I had been taking norcos (hydrocodone 10mg/ 325 acetaminophen). Then after coming to this site I have heard of Kratom. I got some because when I would run out of norcos I only had tramadol to help me with withdrawals. The tramadol at first wasn't so bad, then it started where I would take it the first day I stopped taking the norcos and it would cause me to want to sleep all day (sometimes no biggie) but then it got to where it would cause me to feel REAL weird. I didn't like the way the tramadol made me feel, and I had purchased Kratom.

After trying kratom I found it did miracles for when I would run out of norcos. I went a nice while just having the kratom and noticed it did a number of good things. For one, I was "regular", this was NEVER the case when taking norcos. The second thing, I am hungry A LOT, which for me is a great thing. The third and most important is I was happy, and even when the "effects" of the kratom would wear off (which did happen sooner and sooner the more I would take it) I still didn't feel all that bad and was not in a nasty mood in any way really. I don't like the feel of touch regardless of what substance withdrawals, and I get chills, but with kratom, even after three weeks, I would go 12 hours and not feel that bad at all.

Today I broke because of pain and got norcos. I noticed..........I really don't like them anymore. I guess since they still take care of the pain they do their job, but when I look at all the negative side effects......it just don't seem worth it.

I never thought I would think this, let alone say it, but I like kratom more than hydrocodone........and kratom don't even give me an opiate buzz that I know of.
I have had a similar experience. Had my first exposure to opiates in June 2014 when I broke my foot and had to have a screw put in it. Was on 5/325 as needed and it did wonders for the pain.

I am a triathlete and at 58 am looking to manage pain from training. NSAIDS don't do the trick and a friend said that if I got relief from opiates I should try Kratom. I am on my 4th week of a bali/malay mix at about 7 grams a day in the evening maybe 3 x a week and the results are astonishing. I'm a believer.

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Old 02-12-2015, 09:31
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Same. Maybe it's because of an incomplete cross-tolerance between kratom and hydrocodone but I've replaced my pill habit with the kratom and I seem to get consistently stronger effects without the negative effects on mood. Cool stuff
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

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I have had a similar experience. Had my first exposure to opiates in June 2014 when I broke my foot and had to have a screw put in it. Was on 5/325 as needed and it did wonders for the pain.

I am a triathlete and at 58 am looking to manage pain from training. NSAIDS don't do the trick and a friend said that if I got relief from opiates I should try Kratom. I am on my 4th week of a bali/malay mix at about 7 grams a day in the evening maybe 3 x a week and the results are astonishing. I'm a believer.
I found this post to be extremely helpful. I am also 58 and have been dealing with extremely painful sciatica for a couple weeks now. I live in an area where you are very lucky to get 20 Norcos in an ER. My PCP refuses to write any opiate scrips. I have been reading about Kratom online and have decided to try it. I was wondering how you prepare your 3 gram dose for consumption. It would be helpful to me since I have no first hand experience with it and it appears there are all kinds of ways to take it as I read this board (which I just joined yesterday!).
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

If you read a few threads you will find all the basic info, like how to prepare it.
The main methods are to toss & wash it, which is basically taking your dose in your mouth and washing it back with water or juice. It can take some practice but once you get it mastered it is easy and convenient.
Making tea can be done by either boiling the kratom in a pot with water and a squeeze of lemon juice for 20 minutes, straining out the powder and drinking the liquid.
You can also just cover the powder in boiled water in a cup and drink everything down (water and powder)

You can also just mix the powder into some sauce and eat it, i find pesto masks the texture well.

Regardless of what method you choose take it on an empty stomach for best results.
Start with no more than 5 grams of plain kratom powder and experiment to find what method and strain works best for you.
Finding a reputable vendor is as important as finding the right strain and method of ingestion
Read as much as you can find for more info.
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

Kratom has got me off of everything and in such a way that I feel great and have no cravings. There are a lot of pushes for bans in individual states. Read up on them and give your reps a call. So far it is safe in my state but I am keeping myself informed. It really looks like big pharma is behind the push to ban as their is no instance of Kratom by itself harming anyone and most people I know who have used have been able to stop their treatments for pain and depression.
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Re: Kratom over hydrocodone, are you serious?

I had surgery two weeks ago, and was given 50 Oxycodone 10mgs. Before this, I had been taking 4-5g of kratom twice a day for 4 years. I took the oxy for about 4 days, then started back with kratom. I was back to twice a day a week after survey. I really couldn't tell the difference, it wasn't like I was taking a step down going from oxy to Kratom. Kratom is such a great tool, I hate that it could become banned in my state this year.

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