Drugs-Forum  
Home Wiki Studies Forum Groups Blog Video Images News
Go Back   Drugs Forum > DRUG-FORUMS > Opiates & Opioids > Buprenorphine
Mark Forums Read
Register Tags

Notices

 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 26-03-2012, 23:17
Randeez Randeez is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 26-03-2012
24 y/o Male from United States
Posts: 3
Randeez is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 8, Level: 1 Points: 8, Level: 1 Points: 8, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

I have used the search engine on this site and haven't found an answer anywhere. Swim would like to know if it is possible to prepare his suboxone strips for IV use. Is there a way to seperate the bupe from the naloxone? If not is it worth shooting a combination of both? Swim knows that naloxone will prevent you from getting high so he is very confused on the other threads of people IV'ing the actual pills. Any information would be very helpful to swim, thanks in advance.
  #2  
Old 07-04-2012, 03:36
Big L Rest In Peace Big L Rest In Peace is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: 05-06-2011
25 y/o Male from Earth
Posts: 21
Big L Rest In Peace is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 45, Level: 1 Points: 45, Level: 1 Points: 45, Level: 1
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

I posted some info on just that subject in response to another question earlier, the info might be helpful to you heres the link: https://drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=181567.

Hopefully that works ive never posted a link on here before and its harder using my ipad. Anyways the condensed version is that suboxone does in fact contain naloxone, which is an opioid antagonist. So it will pull any opiates currently in your system off your receptors and put you into precipitated withdrawals, and if you try to take opiates on top of it they will have no effect as the receptors are already occupied.

With that being said, let me clear up a popular misconception: that it is the naloxone in suboxone which can cause precipitated withdrawals and/or the inability to get full or any effects from opiates while in your system. While naloxone does in fact cause these very effects taken alone, it is in fact the buprenorphine(bupe) which causes them when taking suboxone.

This happens because bupe is a partial agonist with one of the highest affinities for receptors of all opiates. Therefore when you take suboxone by any ROA (sublingually, insufflation, or IV), you are putting both naloxone and bupe into your system. But because the bupe has such a high affinity for the opiate receptors it binds to them before the naloxone can. Meaning if you are on another full agonist, such as heroin, it will be removed from your receptors and replaced by the bupe. This will cause precipitated withdrawals as bupe is only a partial agonist. And this is the key to why you have to wait so long after taking other opiates following a dose of suboxone. Because buprenorphine has a mean half life of about 33 hours, and it does not release those receptors for any other opiate, not even antagonists like nalaxone.

So yes, you do put naloxone into your body but it essentially has no effect. If it did there would be no problem getting high soon after taking suboxone because naloxone has a half life of about an hour. So im sorry for the long answer, but i wanted to make it clear. The naloxone in suboxone doesnt do shit because it is the bupe that can make you sick if you take it on opiates, and it is also the LONG lasting opiate partial agonist buprenorphine which cause you to not feel effects of opiates.

Hope that helps to answer your question, that there is no need to separate the two drugs. However, i strongly advise not injecting this drug, as there are no real benefits to this ROA aside from higher bioavailability. Which isnt really an issue as it has a ceiling effect anyway and going up on the dose after 16mgs or so does not provide much better results other than making it stay in your system much longer. In fact i find less truly is more with suboxone. And while the strips are probably a better bet on IVing than the pills they are certainly not designed for such and have many things that should not be put into your bloddstream. Also, theres no rush and if you are opiate naive it is a great way to OD.

Trust me my boy Big L used to slam the strips and pills and knows it is just a high risk, no reward ROA. I mean hell its a waste of good injection sites honestly. Anyways thats just my two cents, not tryin to preach or tell you what to do. Hope some of that helps homie be safe.

Post Quality Evaluations:
Very informative posts. Hope to see more like this from you
  #3  
Old 23-04-2012, 16:57
mre227 mre227 is offline
Account Awaiting Email Confirmation.
 
Join Date: 27-03-2012
Male from United States
Posts: 31
mre227 should urgently read the rules & received reputation comments.
Points: 17, Level: 1 Points: 17, Level: 1 Points: 17, Level: 1
Activity: 3.5% Activity: 3.5% Activity: 3.5%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

injecting is useless. The only reason (even SWIM) tried to do it is because SWIMS like needles and the "ritual" addiction. No matter how pure you get it down to, you will barely feel a think in the many times i tried. Now if your a little fish and have not done this before it would work and the natroxone will keep you from overdosing. if you have opiates you might get sick, but more from buprenorphine flushing the opiates out then the natroxone.
  #4  
Old 26-04-2012, 23:40
VirtuallyEmotionless VirtuallyEmotionless is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: 30-11-2009
30 y/o Male from USA - Pennsylvania
Posts: 236
VirtuallyEmotionless is captain of the psychonauts.VirtuallyEmotionless is captain of the psychonauts.VirtuallyEmotionless is captain of the psychonauts.
Points: 781, Level: 4 Points: 781, Level: 4 Points: 781, Level: 4
Activity: 0.4% Activity: 0.4% Activity: 0.4%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

Read the post from Big L. All the information there is accurate.

But, SWIY asked if it IS POSSIBLE, and if so, how do you go about preparing it, so I'll answer that...

It most definitely is possible, and the way that Cheshire Cat does it is to just let it sit in some water until fully dissolved. But as Big L said above, it's a high risk, no reward ROA, which Cheshire Cat advises against.

Injection isn't really a good road to be walking down. Cheshire Cat knows this from personal experience. People advised him to not pick up the pin in the first place, but he did anyway. He regrets that decision now, and wishes he would have listened to the good advice others were giving him. What's weird about all of it is that he wasn't an injector before Suboxone, nor did he have a 'physical' addiction to opiates before Suboxone.
  #5  
Old 06-07-2012, 03:48
Cynder Cynder is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: 25-01-2012
29 y/o Female from United States
Posts: 59
Cynder is learning how to become a psychonaut.
Points: 131, Level: 1 Points: 131, Level: 1 Points: 131, Level: 1
Activity: 1.8% Activity: 1.8% Activity: 1.8%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

You can melt the whole thing in water and shoot it but it's not that great, I can'get high off suboxone and you feel crummy off the nasty stuff they add to make the strips
  #6  
Old 28-09-2012, 06:34
theashman theashman is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 19-09-2012
Male from Australia
Posts: 6
theashman is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1
Activity: 0.8% Activity: 0.8% Activity: 0.8%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

I inject my suboxone tabs and filter it with a syringe with a rolled cigarette filter inside it. I have posted my method on one of the drug forum websites, it may be this one(same tagname,theashman), a crystal clear result much like a micron filtered tab. As you would have seen on this and other drug forums, that less is more I.V., my personal experience proves this statement to be correct. 2mg is too much, 1mg or less is perfect but really the result is not worth the trouble, only for junkies like me who have the compulsion to blast anything water soluble regardless of how slight the high is....as long as I get something...bla bla...
  #7  
Old 29-09-2012, 00:56
poop mayer poop mayer is offline
Mercury Member
 
Join Date: 27-09-2012
Male from United States
Posts: 28
poop mayer needs to UTFSE some more before posting.
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

Shooting suboxone is a bad idea. You MAY be able to get high off of it, but think of that orange garbage in your VEINS. It's going to be nothing like heroin.
If you're going to shoot something, don't shoot suboxone. Use that to get out of w/d's.
  #8  
Old 23-03-2014, 15:17
jljar5 jljar5 is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 21-10-2011
28 y/o Male from United States
Posts: 32
jljar5 should urgently read the rules & received reputation comments.
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

Just to clarify mre227's post
Quote:
Now if your a little fish and have not done this before it would work and the natroxone will keep you from overdosing.
First of all I assume you mean Naloxone which is what's in suboxone along with buprenorphine, naltrexone is a different, yet similar drug (opiate antagonist).
Now MOST IMPORTANTLY, the naloxone in Suboxone WILL NOT, I repeat WILL NOT keep you from OD'ing! It will do absolutely nothing as mentioned above as the bupe has higher affinity and with higher Bio-availability I wouldn't recommend a dose above 2mg. Like original poster said less is more, I've heard of iv doses as low as .5 mg being verrry effective.
Please be careful, naloxone DOES NOT keep your from overdosing. Naltrexone (which it looks like he tried to spell) IS used for overdoses but that's not even what's in suboxone and something different entirely.

Post Quality Evaluations:
Just to clear it up naloxone is the drug is the brand name naltrexone right?
  #9  
Old 24-04-2014, 16:00
hunter19877 hunter19877 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: 31-03-2014
27 y/o Male from United States
Posts: 115
Blog Entries: 1
hunter19877 needs to UTFSE some more before posting.
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

I was doing this for about a year. Then i started trying to get clean. I was bouncing back and forth between Heroin and Suboxone and one morning i went to get well by shooting my sub and it made me feel TERRIBLE! Ive heard horror stories about it. And i know the Naloxone in it is the blocker which is what puts you into withdrawal if you try to use it while on Heroin or any opiate. I dont know what it was but it made me fucking hurt! Most of that day i was fucked up... Man it sucked

I STRONGLY urge and recommend to everyone here to not shoot suboxone!

It is not meant to be injected. Take it as it should be!

  #10  
Old 24-04-2014, 16:42
tidruid tidruid is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: 08-11-2012
Male from United States
Posts: 678
tidruid is captain of the psychonauts.tidruid is captain of the psychonauts.tidruid is captain of the psychonauts.
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

I used to know a girl whose drug of choice was shooting up crushed up subutex. All I know is that subutex is suboxone without the naloxone in it. I cannot imagine trying to recreationally use opiates while also having naloxone in your system.
  #11  
Old 20-05-2014, 03:44
sikknikk sikknikk is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 04-11-2013
32 y/o Male from United States
Posts: 1
sikknikk is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1
Activity: 0.1% Activity: 0.1% Activity: 0.1%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

For those that say its useless to inject suboxone strips I disagree. Yes, needles are bad but if you do use needles im posting this just from a friends experience. Swim was on suboxone for over a year and taking sublingually and every time he would wait till he was dead sick before taking it and it still didn't touch his withdrawals. Swim finally got the balls to shoot and it actually worked as far as getting rid of all withdrawal symptoms. So, in his case it did benefit him going the IV route

Post Quality Evaluations:
Please do not use Swim, it is against forum rules. Read more; https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197306 Please note; you can write on behalf of a friend, or yourself. Thanks and welcome to DF!
  #12  
Old 01-10-2014, 03:23
stayclean101 stayclean101 is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 30-09-2014
28 y/o Male from United States
Posts: 3
stayclean101 is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1
Activity: 0.6% Activity: 0.6% Activity: 0.6%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

Instructions:
I completely advise you use a micron filter if you are going to shoot suboxone strip/pill (or any pill) ! If not I'll explain a method to help you get most the particles out and leave you with a clear solution that is safer than nothing.

Take one of the insulin syringes and break the needle off. Take the plunger out of the back of the syringe & fill the syringe up to about 30ml's with cotton. Pack it down there good with the plunger. Ive also found adding layers of coffee filters between the cotton helps as well. Sit this syringe aside for later use. Now break up the suboxone (never more than 2mg at once!!! Even for heavy users because remember IV gives you 100% bioavailability) and place it in a spoon you've cleaned good with alcohol wipes. Keep everything sterile! Do not heat suboxone you will only make the shot weaker and get more fillers into the solution. Add ~80cc of cold water to the suboxone in the spoon. Let it sit for 10-15 min. mix with tooth pick to make sure it is all dissolved. Drop in a ball of cotton and suck the liquid through it into the unused insulin syringe.

Take the plunger out of the insulin syringe you packed with cotton and back load the suboxone solution from the other insulin syringe into this one. Now in the clean unused spoon push the plunger through the filtering syringe and watch the liquid slowly push through the cotton into the clean spoon. It should be a more clear solution by now. Now drop another cotton ball into this spoon & suck up the solution into a clean syringe. Now you should have almost a 100% clear solution in a clean and sterile syringe ready for injection. This isn't 100% safe and particle free but it should get out a lot of the dangerous particles from shooting strips. Shooting is NEVER safe, but this is as close as I can get from household items without getting a micron filter. It's better then just filtering with a cotton and shooting. You should get back about 70 units of water out of the 80 units you strated with.

Tie off, find a vein, swab your arm with alcohol, register, & shoot off. Make sure you loosen your tourniquet before injecting to avoid leakage. You should experience a bit of a rush or at least be free of WD symptoms. I just wish the buzz lasted longer.

I found this to be the best way to shoot sub strips or any pill in general. Remember do not over use the same vein too often because some fillers can get through and your veins will harden and become severely damaged. Best of luck!
  #13  
Old 03-10-2014, 04:10
juice_man juice_man is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: 16-08-2009
Male from United States
Posts: 21
juice_man is a decent psychonaut.
Points: 77, Level: 1 Points: 77, Level: 1 Points: 77, Level: 1
Activity: 0.4% Activity: 0.4% Activity: 0.4%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

From my friends of a friends experience, it is very possible to IV Suboxone (buprenorphine/naloxone). SWIY wouldn't want to do this if SWIY still had a full agonist drug in SWIYs system (ie. Heroin, Oxy, etc.) as it would precipitate withdrawal.

It is also good to note that "LESS IS MORE" when IV'ing bupe.
SWIY may even get a slight "glowy" buzz for a short while.

My friend of a friend will explain why.

The body will convert a very small percentage of the PARTIAL opiate agonist, Buprenorphine, into another chemical called nor-buprenorphine. Nor-buprenorphine is a FULL opiate agonist. This means that it should produce euphoria/high/etc. However, Buprenorphine's affinity for the receptors is stronger than nor-buprenorphines. So, there is a small dosage window, where SWIY can feel the desired effects of the nor-bupe.

In my friend of a friends experience 1mg is his favorite dose. For him, it uplifts his spirits, give him motivation, and sometimes even a little buzzzzz (depending on the current concentration of bupe in his system).

***Please think very hard about IV'ing in general. It's very dangerous, SWIM just found out he has Hep C and is a clean freak when it comes to needles.... not sure where it came from actually...and Suboxone is meant to help you get your life in order until your old life is completely gone and you can detox and continue with your new life.

My brothers and sisters, I wish you the best on your journey, and may you find true happiness.
  #14  
Old 04-10-2014, 02:13
Snoop2252 Snoop2252 is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 24-04-2014
24 y/o Male from United States
Posts: 2
Snoop2252 is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1
Activity: 0.6% Activity: 0.6% Activity: 0.6%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

Im very experienced with bangin subs of all kinds all subs, first of all the only negative side effect is they ruin your veins fastt that being said to shoot them its a cold shake put sub in spoon and mix with water just make sure you dilute it well 100 units for a whole strip mix it up with plunger and draw it up through a cotton simple as that, never put a flame to it
  #15  
Old 04-12-2014, 01:20
jimmycannOP jimmycannOP is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: 29-01-2013
44 y/o Male from United States
Posts: 9
jimmycannOP is an unknown quantity at this point
Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1 Points: 5, Level: 1
Activity: 0.7% Activity: 0.7% Activity: 0.7%
Re: Injecting Suboxone Films (with nalaxone in them)

According to what I saw in people:
Translation: IV Buprenorphine can be even more intense of a high than heroin.
IV Buprenorphine/nalaxone produces no real high....certainly does not cause PWD either.

I saw (from observations) a good high produced from Suboxone strips dissolved in water and administered nasally....or tablets crushed and snorted.
Also- doses of .5mgs nasally are enough to prevent WD in IV heroin users.
I've seen daily users of China white heroin survive WD free for over 1 week on a single 8mg/2mg suboxone strip- cut into 1/16's

Share this on:

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Opinions - Switched from Subutex to Suboxone films Swing Buprenorphine 8 20-10-2011 18:42
could injecting Suboxone reverse opiate OD? chronicpain247 Opiates & Opioids 16 31-03-2010 22:20

» New Threads
Post images of what it feels like...
Last post by Serpentaxt
24 Replies, 1,737 Views
Equivalence LSD / nMobe
Last post by Phungushead
1 Replies, 75 Views
DXM Entertainment - Things to watch
Last post by Serpentaxt
18 Replies, 1,583 Views
Meth is More than a Addiction
Last post by pink_reaper
21 Replies, 1,305 Views
Where/How does Loneliness effect...
Last post by livingindigo
2 Replies, 211 Views
looking for safe drugs for...
Last post by coffeedrinker2014
8 Replies, 1,066 Views
Nitrous Oxide vs Nitrates (poppers)
Last post by augustaB
5 Replies, 5,175 Views
I cut a monster Loperamide habit...
Last post by gbread
12 Replies, 1,532 Views
drug test tommorow
Last post by yella
1 Replies, 157 Views
Does It Seem Irresponsible the Way...
Last post by Hando
9 Replies, 1,083 Views
» New Wiki Articles

Sitelinks: Information:

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:22.


Copyright: SIN Foundation 2003 - 2014, All rights reserved