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My monkeys want to experience the limitless feeling of NZT, and stimulants/nootropics/etc, especially if used in the correct combinations, can help them obtain a very similar feeling.
I just ordered 1 gram of methiopropamine, apparently one of the more closer amphetamine-feeling drugs. What other chemicals could end up being a godly combination? Personally it is much harder for me to obtain amphetamines then it used to be, so preferably stuff that can be obtained online or in store. (unless it's that important)
So far, the possibilities to join the combination, from my own personal research, include:
Methiopropamine Piracetam, Aniracetam, Pramiracetam (all to be taken with Choline)
Need more ideas and possibilities especially from experienced researchers. I want my monkies to have awesome memory and I want SWIM to be able to get their thoughts across without pausing or trying to find the right words, they need motivation , they want to be limitless.
Even if a drug or combination of drugs could reproduce what happened in the movie, that substance would be the worlds most guarded secret. Society wouldn't work if everyone was limitless . People have to fall into a pecking order based on a number of things, one of them being aptitude/intelligence. If everyone had access to this drug who would clean the bathrooms, cook the food and drive the cabs?
NZT is a fictional drug from the movie limitless. In a nutshell, its an extremely powerful nootropic.
I've been playing around with the idea of a NZT-like pill for the past week. I was thinking of including small amounts of each well known nootropic substance. Too much of a good thing can be bad, but what about a little bit of every good thing?
The annuls of history are not really chock full of successful meth addicts. I mean there was hitter, who accomplised some great time things. He also was evil crazy diluted and did a whole host of ter. Terririble shit. His legacy reeks. Of meth pscycosis left out of hand for a long time.
A stronger case could be made for cocaine based on history.
Because when you look at the successful people in the world today you don't see a lot if meth junkies or crack heads, I think you can take meth and coke off the list just through human trial and error.
It's interesting, when I first started taking Kratom daily, I found it to be everything like NZT was in the movie for me. Production was up, I was quick on responses, loads on energy, confident, etcetera. However, over time, I needed more of drug to achieve the same effects, side effects increased, and got sick when I didn't have access to it.
My relationship with Kratom and what it did for me reminded me so much of the movie Limitless.
I've experimented with Nootropics but nothing peaked my performance more than my early days with Kratom.
I've made progress in research. The other day I received my methiopropamine (MPA) in the mail, which is very underrated btw, feels very similar to that of adderall or vyvanse, but better in my opinion...and i LOVE my adderall and vyvanse, they're the whole reason i looked into and ordered the chemical, but still these things alone are not enough to feel limitless.
What I have:
What I ordered:
Now I know the methiopropamine and racetams are going to play a big part in becoming limitless, but what else should I look in to? Would kratom and methoxetamine mix well?
Forgive me if I'm chiming in quite a bit too late, I hope you have found a suitable 'NZT' like combo/ and /or substitute, I have combining MPA with Aniracetam and choline, it works well, but with the aniractem being only fat soluble and have a very short half life it may not fit the bill for a nootropic or study stim at any related functional level, unless you wanted peak attention span and cognitive function for any less than around 60 minutes, ( I am sure anir has a v short half life or short window of cognitive enhancement as it wears off fairly quickly) just before a quick interview I will try it today and try to learn as much more as I can prior to it, I do feel like oxir and pram racetams would be more suitable to have a shared time lapse of effects to create a. More effective combo nootropic, more research will be done into this field.
I know it's fun to imagine that the effects of NZT could be replicated. It however cannot, not even the most powerful of stimulants combined with an endless number of nootropics used by the most intelligent person on the planet could begin to replicate the effect of the drug. It's not possible to in any state for your brain to process and access the information required to achieve the effect.
In the movie, he can learn a new language in a few hours. He can predict when and how things will happen before they happen simply because he can analyze that much information and cross-reverence it with all possible outcomes until he predicts the most probable one. He can write an entire book in a few days. He went from being a depressed nobody to the perfect political figure in a few years. He literally could know everything about anything. I'm sorry, but no matter the amount of drugs you put into your body you will never even come close, ever. Quit dreaming.
I agree with the above post. It i ridiculous to think that one could create a real-life 'NZT'. What should, in theory, be possible to do however, is find something that will give someone near-perfect autobiographical memory as there's people who already have this ability naturally (hyperthymesia). This condition is very closely related to OCD it seems, and re-thinking one's past over and over when the brain is in 'idle mode'. I do believe something like that can be achieved by replicating the neurophysiology of these extraordinary brains.
Is the OP still around. As for Trip fox's post I'm certain the OP did not mean literal recreation of the exact effects of NZT e
wanting to learn a language in days or write a book in the same time frame.
I took from his posts that he wanted to basically increase focus, memory and processing of information. Though not on the same scale asthe movie
It's not too far fetched to do such things.
If the OP is no longer around how do other members feel?
Is amphetamine / methanphetamine the closest substitute as suggested above?
Can nootropics in any variety create more perfect memory / learning / recall?
I'd certainly be interested to know if someone feels they have found this magic
I am currently working on a feasible way of achieving this sort of all around cognition boosting effect, mainly using my self taught knowledge of neuropharmacology/neurobiology.
The main aspect is to enhance the brains natural cognitive capabilities in a long term feasible sustainable manner; not merely by using an agonistic "mode of action" (eg D2 agonist or GABA(B) agonist) as this will cause typical problems of withdrawal - which is a by product of the the brains way of maintaining neuronal balance - basically the brain will reduce the number of activated receptors, this is called down regulation.
The clever way of going about this is to first up-regulate the desired receptor system using an antagonist. For example, memantine is a potent Alpha 7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor antagonist. Alpha 7 receptor is critical for cognitive function. Once memantine's antagonism of Alpha 7 receptor wears off, the brain will have responded by creating more Alpha 7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. You then introduce an agonist for the Alpha 7 nicotinic receptors, which is acetylcholine. The easiest is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (such as rosemary/lemon essential oil) which will lead to more acetylcholine being present and giving you a significant cognitive boost.
The second aspect is to target multiple pathways and neuronal systems together to achieve a more wholesome effect. For example, activating the various Nerve Growth Factor's (eg BDNF, NGF, GDNF) as well as targeting the dopamine/acetylcholine/GABA/sigma receptors.
To me, the closest i got to the effects depicted in the movie Limitless was 4-MMC when i was 17.
I was stimulant naive at that time and only done weed and mushrooms before. The mephedrone at the times was as some of you might know fantastic. A line or two of it was enough to get information how to do anything i wished. There was no problem to challenging and i always got step by step instruction in my head on how to succeed. This of course faded after couple of months of regular use.
Here is a critical yet often overlooked aspect of attaining a "limitless" like feeling:
Lately I have been taking a more holistic approach to the NZT thing. I mean the body has all the tryptamines, phenylethylamines, trace amines, endorphins, cannabinoids we could ever need, in a form the body knows how to use. The body only has so much energy it can provide thanks to our modern day living situation, stress, pollution, etc. I wonder if we take away all the poison and negativity that puts up our shields & defense mechanisms, that our higher order neurotransmitters might show themselves for what they are.
A little supplementation & herbs certainly help too
I have incorporated this approach combined with NMDA antagonists (memantine, Theanine, iboga etc), vitamin and mineral supplements, and most importantly a regular ongoing low level detoxification strategy (using diet, supplements and elements ie boron and occasionally sodium thiosulfate) for constant removal of accumulated heavy metals/toxins etc from daily life. Avoiding known sources of undesirable substances is also important.
But really the fact you point to dopamine D2 is ironic because I use harmala alkaloids derived from B. Caapi or Syrian Rue to hit the Flow state. These alkaloids vastly increase the propensity for a Flow state to be generated. A nice solid dose of harmala + meditation => flow each and every single time, without fail. But just the harmala on its own does nothing much but make you feel all spinny and high and happy... you gotta meditate and centre the breath. Then Flow is 100% reproducible and highly predictable.
From thread titled "Biological root of the experience of "Flow" -- D2 receptor in dorsal striatum" on longecity forums
All of these should be taken on a full stomach after a high-fiber breakfaast (Oatmeal with wheat germ, for example). This slows down the absorption of both the drugs and the carbohydrates in your breakfast, giving you a steady blood gllucose level.
Keep in mind that this is purely theoretical, and I have never had the chance to try the combination. The idea however, is pretty simple: Use several racetam toghether for synergy and complement with dopaminergic drugs to avoid 'brain fog' and provide motivation and mild stimulation. Combined with the memory-enhancing effects of the racetams, this would seem like a very effective combination. If anyone is able to try it, please report back.