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Old 21-08-2013, 11:32
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Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

SWIM has done A LOT of meth and has done each way many times. SWIMs favorite and now only way to do meth is by shooting up. To SWIM the high is cleaner better and best of all you don't get wigged out(crazy and paranoid) SWIM never got wigged out in the past but back in the day when he used to Smoke and Snort his meth he would almost always start getting Hallucinations and Dellusions, not just shadow people but full on demons that where around his size and were Descriptive and Real looking they litterally would not have any feature that made them seem fake. This was back when SWIM was a Satanist though. Now these in SWIMs opinion cool side effects have stopped. SWIM is now a Christian and thinks this has something to do with it but also thinks that the quality of dope being higher and the fact he is shooting up now makes these side effects stop also. SWIM heard from a buddy that talked to a drug task force agent said that Smoking Meth releases more chemicals in the brain than any other way of doing it. Obviously in comparison of Shooting vs not...the needle causes a more intense high and rush unlike any thing out there in SWIMs opinion. But could those chemicals that are not being released due to the mou(method of use) cause SWIM to no longer trip out. SWIM can also sleep now that he shoots it and doesn't look as fucked up(smaller pupil dialation a lot less jaw and body movements and more aware of reality causing him to not stick out) SWIMs memories of smoking and snorting are good but in order of favorite mou is 1Shoot up 2Snort 3Smoke SWIM doesnt like chasing highs and prefers to do all his drugs at once and relax for the 2 hours he would have otherwise been smoking through. So in the end my real questions are 1)What differences do you notice between the different methods of use including your high your trip and your comedown? 2) Is there anyway other than reverting back to Smoking Snorting, and without having to give up sleep that will bring back the demons and shadow people(bingeing also seems to have no effect in this area except some minor voices and sounds but only after a 3 or more days of using)? 3) what are some ways you stay high, or in otherwords keep the effects of the meth working or make them more intense without doing more meth.

P.S. Is meth made from raid a screen and a car battery safe to use/Shoot up

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dont use SWIM its not allowed here
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Old 21-08-2013, 11:40
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

Whenever I slam my dose, my pupils get huge. Most Meth is safe to shoot, just filter the shit. I have just started doing that and it goes in so damn easy and my rushes seem stronger, or maybe it's the strength of my shit. I was an avid smoker for seven years until I became needle curious and now that's the only way I do my shit. I have found that smoking and slamming don't mix. Smoking before slamming will weaken the rush, so fuck that. Also, I would be sick smoking after injecting that dose I do. I miss the pipe at times, but only want the needle for it and the rush. Shots last me at least 12 hours, sometimes 20 when I go hard. But I can't move for hours.

Damn, if you want to sleep then I suggest you slam 24 hours before that. That shit is STRONG.
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Old 21-08-2013, 15:07
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

Hi Jeff,

There are huge differences in the different routes of administrations. I know all to well as I am also seemingly unable to be give up the needle. It's harder than anything. Anyways, here is a little information on the topic.

SMOKING
Once Methamphetamine is heated to 200-400oC it produces the vapor of which you inhale out of a pipe(sometimes made of aluminum but it seems glass is by far the most popular piece). The efficiency of this route of administration is very high allowing 70% of the chemical to be absorbed by the body.
Onset: 5-10 minutes
Duration: 2-4 hours
Coming Down: 2-6 hours
Residual: Up to 24 hours

INSUFFLATION
Another popular method of consuming Methamphetamine is through Insufflation. When the drug is snorted up into your nostrils it is absorbed through the mucous membrane in the sinus cavity. This route of administration causes the drug to be absorbed straight into the bloodstream.
Onset: 5-10 minutes
Duration: 2-4 hours
Coming Down: 2-6 hours
Residual: Up to 24 hours


INTREVENOUS
As for use of Methamphetamine, this route of administration is extremely popular and by far the most dangerous. When compared to the previous two routes of administration already mentioned above, injection results in the highest blood plasma concentration of Methamphetamine. Almost immediately following injection the user is overcome with a sudden, intense, extreme rush of euphoria.
Onset: 0-2 Minutes
Duration: 4-8 hours
Coming Down: 2-4 hours
Residual: Up to 24 hours


ORAL ADMINISTRAION
While methamphetamine can be taken orally, like many other drugs it slows metabolic functions thus preventing its own absorption into the bloodstream, the peak blood plasma concentrations of methamphetamine are observed 3 hours after administration, lasting approximately 9 hours.
Onset: 20 - 70 minutes (May vary depending on stomach contents)
Duration: 3 - 5 hours
Coming Down: 2 - 6 hours
Normal After Effects: up to 24 hours

Source: Erowid

Hope this was helpful... Good luck, man.

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Thanks for the info it did help i just wish they had percentage of chemical intake on all the methods of use.
Great informative post, very helpful.
This looks to be copied and pasted, the source should be cited

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Old 21-08-2013, 18:51
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

Isnt slamming the best way SWIMs been using it for 4 years and around 2 years ago started slamming and has no intention of doing it any other way. And i meant SWIM can sleep while on the dope hes not having trouble sleeping what i meant was how can he get delusional without sleep deprivation. hes tried bingeing and the most he got was this morning he saw a man in a hoody sweatshirt popping out of his chest thru a mirror but once SWIM registered what it was it went away, when before they would stay and chill. SWIMs not a satanist anymore so he doesnt want them there for any other reason than to watch them...he wont be going back to satanism he just wants some visuals going on. SWIM always said Meth is like a horror flick acid trip which was one of SWIMs favorite parts
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

I loved blowing a big cloud of smoke and running a big rail. I never carrd for injection to much but never judged on it everybody has their ways. im a new recovery been clean for 1 week now. I have the erge of seeing a big cloud roll lol. Im kinda off topic a little but just really new to this so help direct me if yal can.
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Old 23-08-2013, 08:48
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

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Isnt slamming the best way SWIMs been using it for 4 years and around 2 years ago started slamming and has no intention of doing it any other way. And i meant SWIM can sleep while on the dope hes not having trouble sleeping what i meant was how can he get delusional without sleep deprivation. hes tried bingeing and the most he got was this morning he saw a man in a hoody sweatshirt popping out of his chest thru a mirror but once SWIM registered what it was it went away, when before they would stay and chill. SWIMs not a satanist anymore so he doesnt want them there for any other reason than to watch them...he wont be going back to satanism he just wants some visuals going on. SWIM always said Meth is like a horror flick acid trip which was one of SWIMs favorite parts
In my experience, route of administration and dose don't have any measurable effect on hallucinations, and the only time I've experienced any of the well documented hallucinations like shadow people or hearing voices is when I've been awake for extremely long periods of time.

This leads me to believe that it's simply sleep deprivation that causes such things, not stimulants themselves.

^ Excluding extreme cases were someone ingests a crazy amount in a very short period of time leading to stimulant induced psychosis.

I think the two things are mutually exclusive though.

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Old 23-08-2013, 11:12
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

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SMOKING
Once Methamphetamine is heated to 200-400oC it produces the vapor of which you inhale out of a pipe(sometimes made of aluminum but it seems glass is by far the most popular piece). The efficiency of this route of administration is very high allowing 70% of the chemical to be absorbed by the body.
Onset: 5-10 minutes
Duration: 2-4 hours
Coming Down: 2-6 hours
Residual: Up to 24 hours
Smoking has a bioavailability of 90.3% might wanna correct your facts

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Old 24-08-2013, 07:27
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

After u smoked for a few days and have zero energy, do a line and BAM wide awake again. Stop smoking for awhile after that as ur just wasting it and feel no effect.

Also going from smoking to snorting helped me get sober back in the day. I too was all about the clouds but then I broke my pipe and started snorting a little here and there so I could still have energy. Tapered off and was drug free for over a year.
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Old 24-08-2013, 09:49
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Whenever I slam my dose, my pupils get huge. Most Meth is safe to shoot, just filter the shit. I have just started doing that and it goes in so damn easy and my rushes seem stronger, or maybe it's the strength of my shit. I was an avid smoker for seven years until I became needle curious and now that's the only way I do my shit. I have found that smoking and slamming don't mix. Smoking before slamming will weaken the rush, so fuck that. Also, I would be sick smoking after injecting that dose I do. I miss the pipe at times, but only want the needle for it and the rush. Shots last me at least 12 hours, sometimes 20 when I go hard. But I can't move for hours.

Damn, if you want to sleep then I suggest you slam 24 hours before that. That shit is STRONG.
I agree with SB here, I've seen you post alot SB and know your an avid I.V and actually due to your posts and my history of complete iv opiate use I just said ok im going to give this a measurable try in the following way:

Usually cop my bag then do a few lines, maybe a bowl and then a shot. THen i go aww shots not that great

So I said Ok im giving this a real try: 1st Dose of the day after 3 weeks not using was a .2 shot of good gear.
Huge rush, nothing overwhelmingly orgasmic but the rush I have been looking for rather then just heart beating faster and instantly up and the best benefits of I.V use.

IV USE = LASTS WAY, WAY LONGER - 1 SHOT 12 HOURS DAMN RIGHT DUDE and NO SMOKE AFTER I AGREE!

IV USE = Pupils HUGE, Get to relax instead of spinning a glass penis around. And really another reason i switched is dude my nose was just like man give me a break this stuff is killing me. Eyes turning red and watering after a rail.

I.V is the way to go. Only if you know what ur doing with a rig. otherwise id stick to railing.

Smoking never gave me a RUSH just like a same sped up feeling.

The last time i used i went 5 days 112 hours, now I know that is way to much but I used a lot of opiates inbetween like methd0ne everyday oral, morph 100s, dilaudids and vitamins and food but the fact was even after the 2nd day when i usually say ok do my opiate shot and go to bed I could not sleep due to the I.V high lasting like frigen 15 hours.

Longest ive ever been up 5 days and honestly at the end was not seeing or hallucinating sounds i just got lucky and found a H guy got 1/2g of brown#4 and slammed er home woke up 10 hours later ate and realized i still had .2 in the bag.

I started with 1G, incredible how much I.V saves
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Old 26-08-2013, 18:44
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

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In my experience, route of administration and dose don't have any measurable effect on hallucinations, and the only time I've experienced any of the well documented hallucinations like shadow people or hearing voices is when I've been awake for extremely long periods of time.

This leads me to believe that it's simply sleep deprivation that causes such things, not stimulants themselves.

^ Excluding extreme cases were someone ingests a crazy amount in a very short period of time leading to stimulant induced psychosis.

I think the two things are mutually exclusive though.
you are partially right. I was on day 4 or 5 and i only got a few hours of sleep the night before and the whole week i was getting around 5 to6 hours of sleep and that night after it had been around 12 hours since my last shot it was about midnight i was with some friends in a sketchy place so we were all on lookout cuz they were all high on speed at the moment so best to stand guard. i was staring at an entrance and saw shadow people the grim reaper and other fucked up shit. Idk why i suddenly got hallucinations back but im happy. I would guess it was a combo of being in a dark open area, coming down, trying to concentrate on one area of my vision, and not getting much sleep.
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Old 27-08-2013, 05:48
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

For the person who repped me asking to post a source, it can be found all over the web including this website where it is listed numerous times. But attached is a study on amphetamine and metabolism...check the Abstract, first page, first paragraph
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Old 27-08-2013, 08:51
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

well if you read it u would have seen that it says smoking bio-availability is 90.3
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Old 27-08-2013, 09:39
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

rsmithtn,

Please feel free to resume sleeping again....if course it says 90.3% in my post which I made to correct the person who listed the different ROAs and only listed 1 b.a. percentage which was for smoking and was completely wrong. Still is actually....here are the correct bioavailability percentages....

62.7% oral
79% nasal
90.3% smoked
99% rectally
100% IV
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Old 27-08-2013, 10:41
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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

I started with smoking meth maybe 15-20 years ago but we were ignorant about it and did not research drugs as we do today so sprinkled it on top of bowls of pot. I never took a liking to it because it never did much for me due to our method of intake.

I was reintroduced to it a while back and had some really high expectations for it. I was a little dissapointed - constantly passing a bowl around - so much work to get a hit - worrying about burning it etc. The lines tore my nose up in two seconds flat and I told my wife for a week I thought I had a cold coming on.

During that time, I started reading posts from much more knowledgable people like yourselves and immediately came to the conclusion that IV was the only way for me to enjoy the drug to its fullest potential and boy it has not dissapointed.
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I started with smoking meth maybe 15-20 years ago but we were ignorant about it and did not research drugs as we do today so sprinkled it on top of bowls of pot. I never took a liking to it because it never did much for me due to our method of intake.

I was reintroduced to it a while back and had some really high expectations for it. I was a little dissapointed - constantly passing a bowl around - so much work to get a hit - worrying about burning it etc. The lines tore my nose up in two seconds flat and I told my wife for a week I thought I had a cold coming on.

During that time, I started reading posts from much more knowledgable people like yourselves and immediately came to the conclusion that IV was the only way for me to enjoy the drug to its fullest potential and boy it has not dissapointed.
Today was the first time in a month I got something worth a damn...I took time off because I got 3 or 4 bags in a row that smoked like complete shit, I found however it produced some affect snorted vs no affect smoked. That burn is something else, and after snorting half a gram over 2 days the last time, I started getting cold like symptoms, so I won't be snorting anymore and will never inject anything again....I poked myself enough for two lifetimes doing coke and heroin a few years ago

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Re: Meth and the differences between Smoking Snorting and Shooting

Sorry guys quick test before I type my life away lol, just signed up and doing a research project atm on methamphetamine.

aussiechick1995 added 42 Minutes and 34 Seconds later...

ok. so i've done a fair bit of research on this drug recently and have been lucky enough to have a few "test subjects" who use methamphetamine or have used it, who have been contributing to my research. so here we're talking about the difference between two different routes of administration of the drug - smoking and injecting. both are very quick and efficient ways for the drug to reach the brain and give the user the initial rush as well as a high. however, using meth intravenously (meaning "through use of the veins") is more powerful and presents more identifiable health risks. let me go over the facts and positives/negatives of each ROA...

Smoking meth:
- very quick onset (within seconds-minutes)
- able to have a small amount at a time
- "socially acceptable"
- "social" (being able to pass the pipe around, still engage in normal activity - not too occupied by the ROA)
- psycologically addicted because of the "routine" (loading the bowl, lighting the pipe, seeing the swirl, blowing clouds)
- often the first way the user ever tries the drug
- no detectable smell
- provides a euphoric rush and energy surge
- lasts for a decent amount of time (depends majorly on the dose)
- nasty comedown
- cravings for more
- known to induce psycosis
- relatively easy to conceal paraphinalia (glass pipe)
- don't need much to get "high"

Injecting methamphetamine
- not "socially acceptable"
- taboo or unspoken of
- "scary" or intimidating (eg. fear of using needle or users that choose to use needles as their ROA, stereotypes surrounding IV drug use)
- the most efficient way to administer the drug (in terms of bioavailability - that is, getting the most out of the drug, or in simple terms getting as high as possible from the given amount of substance possible - 100% consumption/effects)
- high risk for serious and fatal health complications including disease transmission (eg. HIV, Hepatitis), abcesses and damaged veins
- highest risk of overdose - users often think they can handle a larger amount, may be rushed to finish the procedure and accidentally prepare too much of the substance for one "hit", immediately impacts on the body and mind - the utmost quickest way for the drug to "hit" the user - within seconds, literally
- the most intense euphoria when compared to smoking, snorting, eating etc.
- taste in the back of the throat
- warm feeling waves over the body in rushes (like "waves" of the drug)
- loss of vision/blurry vision
- feeling like one is dreaming (a dream state)
- a sudden "bang" or very heavy single heartbeat upon which the drug is released and "hits" the body, then the rush comes on immediately after the very initial "hit"
- rapid heartbeat

now, to the main point of my discussion. i believe after researching this drug (and i am not saying this is the be all end all, i am saying this is what i personally believe and it may or may not be correct or right it is simply my opinion which others may disagree with)...

that iv drug use is for a number of reasons less harmful to the drug user, IF precautions are taken and things are done safely and hygenicly. here are my reasons:
if you've ever smoked a glass pipe, you'll understand or at least be able to remotely relate to the addiction to the pipe itself as an object of use, in combination with your addiction (lets not be in denial 99% of people who use are addicted to SOME degree, this is natural and it's science, doesn't make you weak so denying it is useless as it is fact. it may not even be a strong enough "addiction" to be a negative thing, it may be as harmless and simple as you have used a few times and you went months in between however very rarely you think about this drug and how you would like to use it again despite not being in any hurry - this is still a baby eeny meeny form of addiction and there are many things in life that are addictive even though we don't see them as such!) to the drug itself and its effects. the pipe keeps the user's hands busy. the act of physically smoking a pipe is one that a pipe smoker is farmiliar with, and even though the user doesn't think about it, they retain some pleasure from "committing this act". you may have been in a situation before yourself where you had smoked plenty and were already beaming at one of your highest points, but thought about and continued to smoke more because you wanted to. you wanted another pipe. didn't need one, already feeling fantastic, but want more because maybe there's just more in there, maybe you don't like or don't know how to save any or leave a pipe with product in it, maybe you wanted to see if you could get higher, maybe you just simply felt like havin' another pipe! this causes complications. it means your brain is occupied with the drug when you have it. it means you find it difficult to control your smoking. you may find that you could go through a 0.1g bag in the same time as a 0.5g bag and the reason is simply: if i've got it, i'll smoke it.

now, i want you to think about what behavioural patterns an iv meth user would show. from the information i collected, iv users tend to use a larger dose at a time, but this will last them for much much longer than other ROAs and they will not be occupied by the drug during their high, which is what makes some smokers "tweak" as they end up too focused on the drug and become obsessive and demonstrate odd and compulsive behaviours. the IV user, if he or she is clean and hygenic, using a fresh needle and not sharing, and knowing how to properly inject, this person will finish first up against a user smoking from a pipe, (in my opinion). not only does the IV user get to experience the full and proper effect of the drug straight away, rather than in dribs and drabs, they get to enjoy their high free from "tweaking" and thinking of nothing but using more. they do their thing, get on with life, they (generally" don't sit there searching for drops of water in the needle or staring at a needle left out in front of them craving more. they clean up their mess and it is then out of sight. they say, out of mind out of sight. i also believe it is easier for the iv user to establish when he/she has had a sufficient amount, and to not simply do more because it is there. the smoker is constantly trying to reach that top high, all the meanwhile part of that same high wearing off as the clock ticks. i truly feel after the research i've done that iv drug use is figuratively the "cleanest" ROA IF DONE PROPERLY. i believe the stigma that goes with it causes people to stereotype it wrongly and to not consider that it may be a safer ROA than their current ROA. if one is going to use, why not seek to achieve harm reduction where possible? iv use in the opinion of many people is less addictive psychologically for the user and also seems to have the lowest number of psycotic related experiences (it would seem that less people "tweak" when injecting compared to smokers "tweaking"). now in saying this i do understand that pysically, iv use has the potential to be more addictive, owing naturally to the more intense rush it produces. if something feels only a 7/10 good, one will want this feeling nowhere near as much as a feeling that they rate a 10/10 good, is a simple way to look at it! i also would conclude that for the majority of users, using iv once will "open a new door", lessen the strength and effectiveness of other methods (because most people who try it do it again - if you felt something better than you'd been feeling, it's hard to settle for that second best feeling), cause a user to gain tolerance to the drug and open up a massive can of worms regarding health issues.

im extremely interested to hear other peoples thoughts on the arguments i have presented to justify MY opinion that using iv as opposed to smoking meth, reduces the harm associated with using the drug , allows the user to have more control over his use, and is less psychologically addictive. this has been thrown together in a very short period of time so i do apologise for poor writing considering i've been researching, but this is an informal discussion and when i write up properly it will be referenced and alot more time put into it. the reason im doing this project is because recently ive seen my area affected quite largely by the "ice epidemic" and so many kids seem to be smoking the shit which seems to cause the most problems of all! ive also got a side research project at the moment which is about why we need more resources for iv drug users such as needle syringe programs and safe injecting rooms. as a student researcher with a major interest in drug addiction, ive formed the opinion that iv drug use isn't "all that bad" and is over stigmatised for reasons most people dont take the time to think about. it is worth something to educate people on the facts and probe discussion about the potential for iv use to be a safer and less harmful alternaive to smoking drugs, which has commonly become the socially acceptable ROA for drugs giving off the idea to society that it is harmless and safer when in fact it may be the worst of all (eg. smoking meth). go easy on me if i haven't obeyed rules, and i know i've written shitloads so im sorry about that but im a student so i find it hard to condense such a detailed discussion. thanks so much if you took the time to read. all feedback appreciated i want opinions on those who AGREE AND DISAGREE . if you think iv use is worse than smoking, why do you think this? cheers everybody and safe using! there are health professionals out there like me who understand you are going to use and we want to help you do that in the safest way possible, please remember that!

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