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Old 19-10-2013, 13:05
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Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another drug?

Hello, I'm new to DF. I'm a cocaine addict and it has ruined my life.
I desperately want to quit but nothing has worked thus far. I've tried adacc, narc anon, and even counseling. I've lost everything. And I mean everything.... The love of my life, my beautiful baby boy, my 140000 dollar a year job, my home, my truck, the list goes on. I hate the man I've become. I've missed child support payments to pay for a fix.

I haven't seen my son in months because I'm so ashamed of who I am. I owe vast amounts of money for a drug I don't even enjoy anymore. My brain tells me everything will be so much better if I can get just a niff. Then I take it and feel like shit and hate everything. It seems this is the trend with many cocaine addicts that have used a long time.

What the studies say about the brain stopping production of endorphins to feel pleasure, well that's definitely true. I don't even enjoy music like I did anymore and I'm a musician. Some friends have suggested trying another drug temporarily to forget about withdrawal and finally quit. I always hated the idea, but nothing else has worked, and I'm considering it. Any feedback and suggestions on drugs that might work would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 19-10-2013, 15:31
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

welcome to the forum its generally a bad idea to substitute one drug for another because A.you will soon have two addictions
B.you will trade one addiction to another and nothing will change

As stimulants go, the only replacement for cocaine could be meth. Meth lasts 5hours, cocaine lasts one. cocaine gives one effects for 30min and anxiety and craving after. meth gives euphoria for the first 40min, then euphoria stops and energy with anxiety for another 5 and cravings after. meth is cheaper and reportedly easier to quit while being just as illegal. there is really nothing else. thats in term of replacement, but I do not support this idea, its rotten

Drugsforum being a harm reduction forum, I say this:
You ve been high too long, too much. You are an addict simply because a simple user won't loose 140000 dollar a year job only to gain a very costly habit.

You do go on, you will die one way or another very soon. There is no way to turn back and get everything to be like it used to be unless you get clean. Something great can only be great if used in moderation. you ve been higher than most people and people won't venture where you ve been/become.

Cocaine withdrawal should not be bad, compare to heroin withdrawals, its the cravings for more thats very annoying. if you find something very important to prioritize over getting high and wasting time of your life, you should go for getting back together with your child, you will get clean doing this. no more blow.

Try to make you day sober and productive, drink coffee when nessesery and smoke some cannabis in the evening or if its not your thing, have 4shots of whiskey or vodka but no more than 4shots.

cravings will try to get you when you are intoxicated. so try to stay sober for a while. i understand that you ve been through rehabs and life put a lot of stress on you, but you may not blame anything/anyone but yourself. you discovered cocaine, you snorted it and you got addicted. now there is no point blaming oneself because blaming has no point and won't solve your problems. when you are getting clean, you don't need extra pressure that sometimes comes from "i really need to get clean" self-motivating message. try to relax sober , do things like reconnecting with your child sober and you will get clean if you stop using

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Old 19-10-2013, 16:55
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

you went as far as illegal drugs, maybe some prescription or something more readily available? Maybe just something to preoccupy my drug addicted mind? I have tried meth and heroine and never had a problem with giving it up ( hated heroin and binged on meth) I want nothing more than to live a clean healthy lifestyle and be the man my son needs me to be, but I need to keep myself clean long enough to feel the benefits physically (a week wasn't long enough, I became so depressed I couldn't even function). I strongly feel I need something to make me feel good in order to keep myself from relapsing.

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I've been high this whole time... (hating myself and I'd still be high if my dealer was awake). I'm realizing how stupid this sounds just now as my high fades... But maybe there is an option that could be considered here. All I know is I want my happiness back. I want a clear mind that is able to see the beauty in everything again. I remember how just hearing a song would change a complete shit day into a new beginning with endless possibilities...or how a rainbow or the sunrise/sunset would light my heart. I haven't had this sensation in months. I actually witnessed the northern lights in more colours and brightness than I've seen before last month, I remember trying to enjoy it, but no joy came from it. This is the saddest a man can be, constantly spiraling into misery. I want my happy back. I want my life back. I robbed myself of the better things in life.

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Old 19-10-2013, 19:04
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

methylphenidate aka ritalen and concerta works in a similar fashion. people sniff that shit say they would rather spend a few bucks and get my pills than sped a lot of loot and get garbage coke. i dk if that helsp any
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

yes ritalin and adderall are legal prescrition drugs. both give minor high compare to cocaine with less jitters and a lot less euphoria. that is if your coke is of great quality. these are prescribed to combat ADHD. recently adderall is prescribed more often than riralin. these are no less dangerous versions and both cause arrhythmia. i think you should be thinking about getting clean. there is also ephedrine and pseudo ephedrine(rumored to have minor euphoria) one can buy at a bodybuilding supplies as it is complete legal

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Old 18-02-2014, 23:52
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I like your analogy and it does take time for the brain to heal

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Old 19-02-2014, 00:47
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

Looking for a replacement to stop? I advise weed is your answer my friend. Force yourself to stay in for a while with loads of weed. When your stoned you can't be bothered to do anything else other than chill out and smoke some more. If you can just relax and smoke your troubles/cravings away for a couple of weeks you will have overcome the worst of your addiction and will be able to move on from their. Literally any time you feel like a line just smoke a spliff instead...this may count as substitution but it is a worth while one to make and is a lot less costly trust me...
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Old 19-02-2014, 01:08
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

As far as stimulants go, there is a semi OTC drug called Bronkaid. It is the only drug left that still contains real Ephedrine Sulfate. It has some pretty incredible stimulant effects.

I have been taking it for years. 4 pills will keep me up all night. You do have to show an ID for it in the US, but looking back at your post you are above the states. It is made by Bayer so you may still have it up there.

These things are addicting. Certainly use caution with them as they contain another drug as an expectorant.

I do remember a couple of threads that might help you. You can also Use The Forum Search Engine (UTFSE)<-------Click Here to find many more.

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It's a pretty substantial thread
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Old 19-02-2014, 22:08
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

A doctor's opinion would probably be some sort of medication to help drug abusers stop their cravings.
My opinion, which would just help you get the feeling your body is craving, would be to take adderall, but just in small doses, like start at 20 mg and slowly decrease your dosage.
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Old 10-03-2014, 13:00
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

methadone bro.in my coke needle use years used methadone over 100ml to keep myself.

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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

I Know that I am reviving a goddamn old thread, but, it can be helpful to someone, like it was to me.

So...

Here on Brazil, Bupropion(welbutrin, bup) is mainly prescripted to Cocaine Users who want to stop, or to relieve the cavings and etc, of the withdrawing...
But it well know around here that snorting it burns a lot(some say that it gives small euphoria)... Maybe not worth it(there is some extraction method to make is "snortable" around here, but i cant find it right now)...

A friend of mine have discovered that mixing Bup with ephedrine(pseudo do not work) gives him a great stimulation and even a small euphoria(Placebo?) when he doubles his usual dose... This seens a little too risk to me(thinks this: until today I did not had any seyzures or heart problems, but what if I have a heart problem and I have not figured out yet.) this small gap, can be fatal... and he takes effexor xr 75mg, it gives him a well being feeling...

Both Bup, and ephedrine raises heartbeats... So take care...

Talk to your doc about this, and maybe he can even show another way to help you!

Tip. Do not have a sedentary life... that will kill you, depression, whitdrawn, and even boredom(lol)

ps. I years away(not even wanting) of being a gym rat...

Sorry about my english,

And I hope that this can help someone. See ya!
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

A psychiatrist asked me if I liked cocaine when diagnosed with ADD. I didn't dislike it, but never became addicted. The theory is people self medicate with cocaine. If so,,methylphenidate could be useful, but could also be abused.

I saw a study that concluded bupropion was ineffective for the treatment of cocaine addiction. In theory, both cocaine and bupropion increase dopamine.
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

I will research about it. its strange, even appears on the Package insert of it...
Maybe its only fully effective against Nicotin addiction.

The problems is, methylphenidate is too dificulty to obtain it right here, the docs dont usualy prescribe it. But after reading about it, it appears to be a little more effective...

I think both are valid options, it depends on who takes it, different ppl, may reactly different to each med.
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

I haven't lost as much as you but for the last six months I've had some mania and a lot has gone up my nose. I feel like when I'm truly ready to stop its going to take willpower and a busy routine, going through the motions for awhile, etc. I find that a tasty joint works wonders to take the mind off cocaine, and when I stop (for a week or so), I get more enjoyment and sensory pleasure from things like Vicodin or pot. During a cocaine binge I dismiss these options and I really shouldn't. I also believe that a GOOD hallucinogenic experience with mushrooms can "reboot" the mind. You may also consider a night of rolling with Molly or doing Ecstasy to "reboot". I may do this soon myself.
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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

My time-lock safe method has worked for me. It opens only on friday for a few hours so I can take a gram out and close it. My debit card is also in there. This completely squashes benders if used properly.

If you are fiending for more after that gram, many hours have past and the safe locks, so you have no access to drugs or cash (w/o debit card).

I have a high paying job also, but anytime I noticed getting less done or my production slipping, I got the safe. Once I started randomly calling the dealer on a Tues or Thurs, I realized it was a crossroads, and I needed to cut back for financial, health, and career reasons.

That being said it appears the drug got you worse and you're past the point of using it moderately.

In that case they have a drug called Phenelzine. If you are taking it as prescribed, anytime you attempt to do blow, it will make you nauseous. This is certainly a good incentive against using. I'd also delete my dealers numbers if I were you. Having that easy connection is too tempting sometimes.

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Re: Cocaine substitute while withdrawal? Is it possible to quit by taking another dru

Weed is definitely a go to for me, only had a couple of times I've tried to stop, but weed was always a good help. It is calming for me so it helps me to slowly deal with the cravings, or it completely gets rid of them. Also I was told dilahdid (hydromorphone) if crushed and sniffed, can help with the cravings and obviously the physical, cutting and sensation of sniffing, I have considered trying it out, but not interested in another addiction. Weed, lots of rest, food, water, and a hobby (art, models, building, collecting) something using your hands. I've never IV'd or smoked it.

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My time-lock safe method has worked for me. It opens only on friday for a few hours so I can take a gram out and close it. My debit card is also in there. This completely squashes benders if used properly.

If you are fiending for more after that gram, many hours have past and the safe locks, so you have no access to drugs or cash (w/o debit card).

I have a high paying job also, but anytime I noticed getting less done or my production slipping, I got the safe. Once I started randomly calling the dealer on a Tues or Thurs, I realized it was a crossroads, and I needed to cut back for financial, health, and career reasons.

That being said it appears the drug got you worse and you're past the point of using it moderately.

In that case they have a drug called Phenelzine. If you are taking it as prescribed, anytime you attempt to do blow, it will make you nauseous. This is certainly a good incentive against using. I'd also delete my dealers numbers if I were you. Having that easy connection is too tempting sometimes.

Good luck.

Yes! Delete all contact! Phone, social media, mutual "friends" (not a decent friend if they encourage use, and don't encourage you to slow down or stop) I found even the "only at parties" rule only lasts for so long. I had completely erased all contact, and started a new job (yay! Fun! Awesome!) Just to find out 2 months in that my manager is a coke user and seller (face palm) so now I'm removing myself from that situation and starting over, doing this with a partner is not easy! We have to be on the same page, as well as our couple of close friends as they join in on occasion. I personally think I might move to my parents (blissfully unaware) for a few months alone, and start over! Love the bf like nothing before, but I think doing this alone will be best. A complete overhaul of job, living space, and connections. Start with creating a routine in the morning so I can build up energy with smoothies or filling breakfast, replace the "use" with a "healthy" alternative. My mornings are always the kicker, I'm not a good morning person haha however if I get something that is an earlier start job wise I think I can jump start my day before I even think about the drug induced perk up. My hard part right now is cold turkey stop, 4 grams Fri-sat, 2 grams Sunday night (all shared 2 ways) drawn out 11 am Monday morning until 7am Tuesday 1.5 grams. As of now I would like to just stop, I'm thinking I might end up doing a bump when I get to work at 2 (do my nails to distract myself) start shift at 3 PM, so it would most likely happen around 2:30 PM my goal is to just avoid it. I am very interested in nail art, and very good so far, this I believe will be a good help to change my habits of physical use (cutting up, crushing, railing.) Not so much the sensation of using (however acrylic fumes might be a deterrent) wish me luck on my first 24 not using. Good luck to all giving it what they can! You got this!

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Weed is definitely a go to for me, only had a couple of times I've tried to stop, but weed was always a good help. It is calming for me so it helps me to slowly deal with the cravings, or it completely gets rid of them. Also I was told dilahdid (hydromorphone) if crushed and sniffed, can help with the cravings and obviously the physical, cutting and sensation of sniffing, I have considered trying it out, but not interested in another addiction. Weed, lots of rest, food, water, and a hobby (art, models, building, collecting) something using your hands. I've never IV'd or smoked it.

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Yes! Delete all contact! Phone, social media, mutual "friends" (not a decent friend if they encourage use, and don't encourage you to slow down or stop) I found even the "only at parties" rule only lasts for so long. I had completely erased all contact, and started a new job (yay! Fun! Awesome!) Just to find out 2 months in that my manager is a coke user and seller (face palm) so now I'm removing myself from that situation and starting over, doing this with a partner is not easy! We have to be on the same page, as well as our couple of close friends as they join in on occasion. I personally think I might move to my parents (blissfully unaware) for a few months alone, and start over! Love the bf like nothing before, but I think doing this alone will be best. A complete overhaul of job, living space, and connections. Start with creating a routine in the morning so I can build up energy with smoothies or filling breakfast, replace the "use" with a "healthy" alternative. My mornings are always the kicker, I'm not a good morning person haha however if I get something that is an earlier start job wise I think I can jump start my day before I even think about the drug induced perk up. My hard part right now is cold turkey stop, 4 grams Fri-sat, 2 grams Sunday night (all shared 2 ways) drawn out 11 am Monday morning until 7am Tuesday 1.5 grams. As of now I would like to just stop, I'm thinking I might end up doing a bump when I get to work at 2 (do my nails to distract myself) start shift at 3 PM, so it would most likely happen around 2:30 PM my goal is to just avoid it. I am very interested in nail art, and very good so far, this I believe will be a good help to change my habits of physical use (cutting up, crushing, railing.) Not so much the sensation of using (however acrylic fumes might be a deterrent) wish me luck on my first 24 not using. Good luck to all giving it what they can! You got this!
Just to add, get your bank to freeze your account for a couple days, within reason, obviously make sure bills are paid. This is an option I may try regularly until I'm in a new job. No access to cash = no drugs. I'm not offered spots not will I take them. My boss is aware never to offer. Now I know that I am good with money but I have been slipping a bit :P all bills paid, no coffee or milk ouch coffee is key for me.

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